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2011 NFL Thread

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No disrespect to LeBeau because he is an awesome coach, but we can beat LeBeau's defense when we need to.

It is the last minute nonsense that WE need to stop. The last three years we always seem to give the game away in the closing seconds to to Big Ben.

I agree we are in deep trouble unless we re-sign Heap and Mason. I agree with your assessment on Smith. But Flacco came to camp with a chip on his shoulder and I like the swagger he has this year. We need that.

As for Pittsburgh D vs our D. Maybe I have some bias, but I think we are better than Pittsburgh overall. Our corners and Ed Reed are all healthy for the first time in a few years, Kindle I hope is healthy enough to play this year.

I do agree with you that Pittsburgh is and always will be the standard bearer for preparing younger Defensive players.

In many ways, Baltimore is built after the Steeler Template. Tons, and Tons of respect for the Steelers organization....UNTIL GAME DAY.

Finally a Ravens fan with some common sense and respect, but I just don't see the Ravens defense being better than Pittsburgh's. I'd agree that the Ravens corners are better than Pittsburgh's corners. No disrespect to Ed Reed but Troy Polamalu and Ryan Clark are a deadly tandem from the safety positions. One can beat you at the point of attack and the other will knock you out in the 3rd line of defense. Pittsburgh's linebackers are better as a full unit. Farrior, Timmons, Harrison and Woodley. Ray Ray is top 2 in the league (With Patrick Willis) and Suggs is always a SOB against the Steelers. The I don't know if Kindle will be ready but he does have a great role model to learn from. The d-lines are pretty much a toss up with Kelly Gregg out in Balitmore. I was very high on Flacco when he came out of Delaware and was extremely disappointed that he went to Baltimore because I had to hate him. He's better than Ben, in my opinion and has the potential to rise to elite status. One thing that we can both agree on is, that on September 11, all this talk goes out the window and we have to bang heads for the division. Best of luck to your Ravens this season, but not too much luck.

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So the Bengals make this big stink about not rewarding guys who ask for trades then trade Ocho to the Pats?

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I'm really bummed about the Ochocinco trade, he was one of my favorite players but now I have to hate him since he's on the Patriots.

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I would like to point and laugh at all the people who pointed and laughed at the Texans taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush and Vince Young today :lol:

what a NUTS day, this is more crazy then any NHL trade deadline!

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I'm really bummed about the Ochocinco trade, he was one of my favorite players but now I have to hate him since he's on the Patriots.

As a Pat fan, I can't say I'm happy about this one. This guy is such a punk. But who knows, BB seems to get guys like Ocho to buy in (at least at first, like he did with Moss, before Moss turned back into Moss). This is so weird...I never would've expected Ochocinco to be a Patriot...

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As a Pat fan, I can't say I'm happy about this one. This guy is such a punk. But who knows, BB seems to get guys like Ocho to buy in (at least at first, like he did with Moss, before Moss turned back into Moss). This is so weird...I never would've expected Ochocinco to be a Patriot...

Also a Patriots fan - and not shocked in the least. I just take it in stride now. Patriots will try to revive careers of whoever they feel like; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. They just get lots of credit for the successes, while the ones that burn out (Marcus Stroud might be headed that way already) just get pushed under the rug.

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Also a Patriots fan - and not shocked in the least. I just take it in stride now. Patriots will try to revive careers of whoever they feel like; sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. They just get lots of credit for the successes, while the ones that burn out (Marcus Stroud might be headed that way already) just get pushed under the rug.

This one shocked me. Ocho's 33 years old, things had gone sour with Moss...I didn't think BB would be so quick to deal with another potential headache so quickly. But there's something to be said for having a guy like Brady throwing to you...Palmer had some strong years for the Bengals, but now Ocho's going to get to play with one of the best.

Brady's got something to prove too (sounds crazy to say that about a guy with 3 SB rings, but I think HE feels that way)...he's become a bit like Manning, and the Pats a bit like the Colts...fat regular season numbers, playoff fizzles...three playoff losses in a row, one in a Super Bowl almost no one expected the Pats to lose, then two straight home playoff losses.

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So the Bengals make this big stink about not rewarding guys who ask for trades then trade Ocho to the Pats?

So wait, let me digest this..

..the Patriots peddle a 33 year old Randy Moss (who had chemistry with Brady) for reasons of "change in attitude" towards the team.

And the next season.. they pick up a 33 year old replacement, with an even bigger chip on his shoulder.. 4 inches smaller.. ZERO chem on the team.. and I'm supposed to be afraid? :rolleyes:

Welcome to Revis`Island Mr. Johnson.

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So wait, let me digest this..

..the Patriots peddle a 33 year old Randy Moss (who had chemistry with Brady) for reasons of "change in attitude" towards the team.

And the next season.. they pick up a 33 year old replacement, with an even bigger chip on his shoulder.. 4 inches smaller.. ZERO chem on the team.. and I'm supposed to be afraid? :rolleyes:

Welcome to Revis`Island Mr. Johnson.

You'd have to be a moron not to see that Moss had become a serious detriment to the Pats by the time he was dealt. He was hardly even trying at that point, and had become a complete no-factor. Whatever magic he had enjoyed during his Pat run had clearly run out.

Why does Ocho have a bigger chip on his shoulder than Moss? Because YOU say so? And so what if he's 4 inches smaller? That isn't the be-all, end-all way to measure receivers. And you also don't know if he has chemistry or not with Brady. No one will until they actually play together.

That being said, I readily admit I don't get bringing in Ocho at all. I don't like it, just like I didn't like Moss coming in. The Pats did get more out of Moss than I ever expected, so who knows. But I can't say I'm hopeful about Ocho.

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You'd have to be a moron not to see that Moss had become a serious detriment to the Pats by the time he was dealt. He was hardly even trying at that point, and had become a complete no-factor. Whatever magic he had enjoyed during his Pat run had clearly run out.

Why does Ocho have a bigger chip on his shoulder than Moss? Because YOU say so? And so what if he's 4 inches smaller? That isn't the be-all, end-all way to measure receivers. And you also don't know if he has chemistry or not with Brady. No one will until they actually play together.

That being said, I readily admit I don't get bringing in Ocho at all. I don't like it, just like I didn't like Moss coming in. The Pats did get more out of Moss than I ever expected, so who knows. But I can't say I'm hopeful about Ocho.

This signing was a panic move CR, simple as that..

..it was New England's way of saying: "We need to prepare ourselves for (if and when) Asomugha signs with the Jets".

Randy's size is a factor, because it complimented the receivers around him. Adding a 6 foot Chad Johnson, next to a 5'10 Deion Branch and 5'9 Wes Welker, doesn't really add the versatility of a tandem, when competing against corners 6 foot and up.

And as far as chemistry goes.. your first preseason game is a week and a half away, and you have ⅓ of a training camp to work with. (thanks to the lockout) I think it's safe to say it'll take Mr. Johnson some time to get acclimated with the Patriot playbook.. let alone chemistry with Brady.

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This signing was a panic move CR, simple as that..

..it was New England's way of saying: "We need to prepare ourselves for (if and when) Asomugha signs with the Jets".

Randy's size is a factor, because it complimented the receivers around him. Adding a 6 foot Chad Johnson, next to a 5'10 Deion Branch and 5'9 Wes Welker, doesn't really add the versatility of a tandem, when competing against corners 6 foot and up.

And as far as chemistry goes.. your first preseason game is a week and a half away, and you have ⅓ of a training camp to work with. (thanks to the lockout) I think it's safe to say it'll take Mr. Johnson some time to get acclimated with the Patriot playbook.. let alone chemistry with Brady.

Oh give me a break. I'm not even a Pats fan and I respect the hell out of what they are doing. They bring in two of the top talents at the game because they can. If the Jets could have brought either of these guys in without blowing up the locker room you bet your ass they would. I think Chad just has a much worse rep than his actions show, he's a goofball who says stupid things and people make him out to be an a$$hole.

Bottom line, anytime you have an opportunity to bring in talent like that, you do it.

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I'm really bummed about the Ochocinco trade, he was one of my favorite players but now I have to hate him since he's on the Patriots.

lol ditto.

This signing was a panic move CR, simple as that..

..it was New England's way of saying: "We need to prepare ourselves for (if and when) Asomugha signs with the Jets".

Eh I really think it has nothing to do with any move the Jets may or may not make, it's more about the fact they wanted another threat at the WR position after Moss reached his expiration date with Welker not the same post-injury last year. Funny thing is they used to go with no-names in Brady's early years but it cost them in 2006 against the Colts and they've been stockpiling talent at receiver ever since.

I am actually surprised they didn't wait a little and try to poach Braylon, since if we sign Aso he's basically gone and already showing bitterness he's not our first priority.

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Actually very glad the Patriots didn't go after Braylon Edwards; he's incredibly overrated. I think Jets fans saw that last season. Streaky as hell, and seems to have dead-hands at times. Patriots also have young WRs they're hoping to see break out this season (Brandon Tate, Taylor Price) and I'm sure they want to make sure they get their snaps, too.

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Oh give me a break. I'm not even a Pats fan and I respect the hell out of what they are doing. They bring in two of the top talents at the game because they can. If the Jets could have brought either of these guys in without blowing up the locker room you bet your ass they would. I think Chad just has a much worse rep than his actions show, he's a goofball who says stupid things and people make him out to be an a$$hole.

Bottom line, anytime you have an opportunity to bring in talent like that, you do it.

That's Beez's MO...everything revolves around the Jets; he looks at everything through green and white glasses...never any objectivity. The whole chemistry thing is a perfect example...are the Patriots the only team that will have to implement a new star player into their scheme? Of course, if this were the Jets making this move, he wouldn't say a word about shortened training camps, lack of chemistry, etc.

My concerns going in are Ocho's age and attitude. I've seen Brady work with a number of receivers throughout his career and flourish with many of them, so I'm not worried about the chemistry part. Ocho's saying all of the right things now, and so is BB, but who knows what any of that will mean come the first half of any given game, where he might see only two balls thrown his way due to the opponent's game plan taking him out of the game. Will he quit and/or shut down, like Moss did? Start sulking? Moss was a notorious frontrunner, and I see Ocho being cut from that same cloth.

One last thought...can it really be considered a "panic move" if the Pats only gave up a 5th and 6th round pick to get him? If it was a 3rd and a 4th or something like that I could understand that viewpoint, but it seems more like what insanity_gallops referred to before: BB and Co thinking, "What the hell, we know he has talent, it's not costing us much to get him, he knows his window to win a SB is closing, maybe he comes here and we get something out of him." I still don't love it, but it definitely doesn't come off as a panic move.

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Actually very glad the Patriots didn't go after Braylon Edwards; he's incredibly overrated. I think Jets fans saw that last season. Streaky as hell, and seems to have dead-hands at times. Patriots also have young WRs they're hoping to see break out this season (Brandon Tate, Taylor Price) and I'm sure they want to make sure they get their snaps, too.

Braylon did have a very good year last year though, and actually cut out the drops. Pretty much his only real blemish was that off-field mess with the DWI. It was more the year before where he was meh and inconsistent with us on the field.

But I guess the concern with him would be that he could go off the reservation again once he got another big money deal.

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Vince Young to the Eagles :unsure::blink:

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Vince Young to the Eagles :unsure::blink:

Wow, this is a great move by the Eagles. New start for Young and the Eagles don't really have to change their offense much if Vick gets hurt.

Young will learn under Reid. This is a win-win for Philly and Young

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Well Aso and the Eagles pulled a fast one over on everyone in the eleventh hour (5 years, 60 million)...why the **** did it take him three days to sign THAT deal?!

Just bring back Cro and Edwards, I've had enough of this nonsense. I was actually amused by this dramatic twist until the Parise stuff.

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DRC, Nnamdi, and Samuel. 3 of the best CB's in the conference all on the same team.

What's the benefit of spending 10m+ (one of those 3) to shut down a slot reciever? I'd have to assume Samuel is on the move.

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Lmao at that moron Carton this morning, talking about Asoughma like he had already signed. Here's hoping this whole thing pissed off Cromartie and he leaves too, but I'm not counting on it.

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Cro's admitted he's a merc anyway, the only good news is he did wait this long and Aso's contract lessens the price for the secondary corners marginally.

It is amazing, as Evan Roberts pointed out how similar this was to the Cliff Lee scenario last year when you had NY and Texas teams bidding on him with the NY team favored to sign him until a 'mystery' team swooped out of the shadows from Philly and landed him for less money.

What's the benefit of spending 10m+ (one of those 3) to shut down a slot reciever? I'd have to assume Samuel is on the move.

Well the Eagles do have to deal with the Cowboys (Bryant, Austin, Witten/third WR) and Giants (Nicks, Manningham, Smith/Burress?) in the division and lost to the Packers in the playoffs with their great WR core so clearly they felt they needed to strengthen that area.

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As a Patriots fan, I miss having Asante Samuel on the field. Man, did he show up for big games.

Patriots have been desperately filling that void with plug-ins ever since. Check out how many CBs they've drafted since they lost Samuel. Granted, Devin McCourty looks like they finally got the real deal, Kyle Arrington has stepped up his game, and there are high hopes for Ras-I Dowling (just drafted)... but since Samuel left, they'd tried Deltha O'Neal, Jonathan Wilhite, Ellis Hobbs, Terrence Wheatley, Darius Butler, Shawn Springs... yeesh.

Patriots did it once with letting Lawyer Malloy walk and watching Ty Law just crank it out, then even managed to do it again with letting Law walk (after he was hurt) and Samuel stepping it up... guess it's time to see if they can do it for a third time.

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Star-WR-Randy-Moss-decides-to-retire-after-13-seasons-080111?GT1=39002

Can't say this surprises me much...his heart didn't seem in it from his first play last season, and once he realized what he lost with NE, he seemed to lose interest even further. I have a feeling he's not 100% done though...once the season starts up, he's going to want to play again...he can still be a good player when he wants to be...it's just not often enough.

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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Star-WR-Randy-Moss-decides-to-retire-after-13-seasons-080111?GT1=39002

Can't say this surprises me much...his heart didn't seem in it from his first play last season, and once he realized what he lost with NE, he seemed to lose interest even further. I have a feeling he's not 100% done though...once the season starts up, he's going to want to play again...he can still be a good player when he wants to be...it's just not often enough.

Moss will sign with the first decent team to lose a WR. Book that.

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Fins re-signed Jason Taylor. I'm very happy with that move. We needed a situational pass rusher, and JT can still chip in around 5-6 sacks easy. Plus he returns home and retires a Dolphin, as he should.

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