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White and Hunter bought out.

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It's easier to pay 1.6 mil for 2 years and, 1 mill the following 2 years than it is to spend 5mil and 2 mil the following year. TG did confirm devils were in on burns, which would make me think they're not that short on cash though.

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QUESTION: Just saw on the email I received from the Devils today that the Prudential Center was named the 3rd busiest arena in the United States. Do the Devils get a large portion of the profits of this or what? Cause this should help ownership find a new investor if they see how busy the Arena the team owns is.

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I agree with the idea generally, of addition by subtraction. There were a glut of bodies on our team, and year after year, things weren't getting done. So, I don't mind having shipped out several vets, including White to make room for younger guys who might potentially rise to the challenge or play with more emotion. That having been said, the defense is still fairly shaky.

OK, Volchenkov-Tallinder-Greene; those are given, experienced guys.

Salvador McPuddin; anyone's guess if he can play, and if so, play well.

Then Fayne, who had a great season, but is far from a sure bet.

Larsson, TBD. Urbom, TBD.

Corrente-Fraser, reserves.

So, maybe all will play out in the pre-season, and maybe Salvador will play and 2 of Larsson-Urbom-Corrente-Fraser-Fayne will look great and secure spots.

Maybe.

Or maybe the Dev's having something else in mind with a decent amount of cap space remaining. If Salvador can't play, I do wonder if NJ is planning to trade for a guy like Bouwmeester (aka "J-Blow"). Big salary to take on, but would give us a pretty solid top 4. Most fans are opposed to this idea due to the guy's salary, and there is a valid point there. He does make about 2 million too much. But we'll see. Anyone think something like this (or another player) is likely?

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I hope its not Bouwmeester, but there is that McCabe connection with Deboer, he coached him in FLA (as well as Bouwmeester) and might be able to get him pretty cheap for maybe a 1 year deal now. He's not the best but he is good on the PP andfor that reason alone, he deserves a shot.

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We can't afford to bring anyone else in.

Thank you for clarifying that up. As the Devils accountant and Vanderbeek's right hand man, you are obviously very much in the know on these things. I'll scratch off any other potential moves from my list of what-ifs immediately.

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Lou's hitmen are just going to hit Salvador over the head with a big Louisville Slugger baseball bat again if he doesn't want him to play this year.

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We can't afford to bring anyone else in.

That was the old Devils we're a new team now. One you don't wanna watch -- or even write about dude. Sinking ship -- get off while you can... and not the way you have been ( jerkit.gif )

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We can't afford to bring anyone else in.

Seriously though, what is the point of you even being on these forums anymore? Usually fans go on these types of forums to discuss the team they LIKE, speculate about possible trades / signings / drafts, try to intelligently predict what the effects of those actions might be, and discuss what went right or wrong from game to game.

Since the Kovalchuk signing, you don't do any of these things and you obviously have a serious disdain for this organization. You don't care to speculate on the pros or cons of any potential move or action because you automatically go to your "the Devils era has ended" mindset, and you basically randomly pop in and out of threads with one or two sentence replies that always sound the same and don't ever include any sort of rationale or critical thinking. You're a fvcking broken record and for all intents and purposes, you are a troll. And it's not even like you get any sort of support from this forum at all. You're almost universally disliked and derided, so what's the point? Is it just to get a rise out of people?

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We can't afford to bring anyone else in.

You just fart out anything out of your mouth nowadays don't you?

We have like 5.8 mil left in cap space.

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I agree with the idea generally, of addition by subtraction. There were a glut of bodies on our team, and year after year, things weren't getting done. So, I don't mind having shipped out several vets, including White to make room for younger guys who might potentially rise to the challenge or play with more emotion. That having been said, the defense is still fairly shaky.

OK, Volchenkov-Tallinder-Greene; those are given, experienced guys.

Salvador McPuddin; anyone's guess if he can play, and if so, play well.

Then Fayne, who had a great season, but is far from a sure bet.

Larsson, TBD. Urbom, TBD.

Corrente-Fraser, reserves.

So, maybe all will play out in the pre-season, and maybe Salvador will play and 2 of Larsson-Urbom-Corrente-Fraser-Fayne will look great and secure spots.

Maybe.

Or maybe the Dev's having something else in mind with a decent amount of cap space remaining. If Salvador can't play, I do wonder if NJ is planning to trade for a guy like Bouwmeester (aka "J-Blow"). Big salary to take on, but would give us a pretty solid top 4. Most fans are opposed to this idea due to the guy's salary, and there is a valid point there. He does make about 2 million too much. But we'll see. Anyone think something like this (or another player) is likely?

You forgot Taormina

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Seriously though, what is the point of you even being on these forums anymore? Usually fans go on these types of forums to discuss the team they LIKE, speculate about possible trades / signings / drafts, try to intelligently predict what the effects of those actions might be, and discuss what went right or wrong from game to game.

Since the Kovalchuk signing, you obviously have a serious disdain for this organization, you don't care to speculate on the pros or cons of any potential move because you automatically go to your "the Devils era has ended" mindset, and you basically randomly pop into threads with one or two sentence replies that always sound the same and don't ever include any sort of rationale or critical thinking. You're a fvcking broken record and for all intents and purposes, you are a troll. And it's not even like you get any sort of support from this forum at all. You're almost universally disliked and derided, so what's the point? Is it just to get a rise out of people?

Meh, don't mind him.

That having been said, capgeek says the Devs have 5.87 in cap space (22 man roster), and that's with Salvador on the team. IE, 8.77 cap space if NJ decides Salvador is done.

Granted, cap geek has Fraser (550k)/Corrente (660k) on the team, with Larsson (925k), Urbom (857k), Zharkov (578k), Taormina (550k) in the AHL.

So, I'm figuring on Larsson/Taormina being on the opening night roster, with Fraser/Corrente elsewhere, which is an additional 265k on the cap for that change, and let's say NJ goes 23 man roster, so, add Zharkov in at 578.

So, the cap would roughly then be 5 million spare, if we max at 23 players with Salavador on the team. Or, 7.9 million spare without Salvador.

Bouwmeester makes 6.68 cap.

Hence, we can afford to trade for him if we really wanted to, and Salvador doesn't make the team (which many on these boards think is all but certain). Not saying J-bo is ideal for us, but if we like, we can afford it.

You forgot Taormina

Yeah, I added him in, in my next post. Sorry.

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The problem with NJ trading for a big-time defenseman is that they don't have a minutes eater that can go back the other way. So they can't trade with anyone who's remotely interested in winning this year, and that severely limits their options.

Calgary already dealt Regehr for magic beans and they dealt Phaneuf the year before. Their defense is no longer 'stacked' - it's Bouwmeester, Giordano, Sarich, Babchuk, Butler, and a bunch of depth guys. You drop Bouwmeester from that defense and it's awful - it's already not good.

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The problem with NJ trading for a big-time defenseman is that they don't have a minutes eater that can go back the other way. So they can't trade with anyone who's remotely interested in winning this year, and that severely limits their options.

They could declare Salvador fit to play and trade him to CGY. It just depends how badly CGY is feeling hampered by the big contract. If they want some relief, they could take Salvador's expiring contract to offset almost 4 mill. Maybe they could use the surplus to get somebody else.

Do I think any of this is likely, given that CGY already shipped out a D? No. But it's possible.

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They could declare Salvador fit to play and trade him to CGY. It just depends how badly CGY is feeling hampered by the big contract. If they want some relief, they could take Salvador's expiring contract to offset almost 4 mill. Maybe they could use the surplus to get somebody else.

Do I think any of this is likely, given that CGY already shipped out a D? No. But it's possible.

Salvador probably wasn't better than a 3rd pairing D before he got his concussion.

Calgary is going to send Hagman down to the minors, and after the season, they lose almost all of their bad contracts.

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The problem with NJ trading for a big-time defenseman is that they don't have a minutes eater that can go back the other way. So they can't trade with anyone who's remotely interested in winning this year, and that severely limits their options.

Not that I want to trade him, but why the heck doesn't Volchenkov get an extra 2-5 minutes per game.

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Eh, I dunno I really don't want Bouwmeester for the cap hit he takes up. He really dropped off the past two seasons, and obviously there are some other reasons for that and he might play better for DeBoer, but he still doesn't come close to commanding the salary he gets. I'd like a puck moving dman, but he's not a good option in my opinion.

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Are there any UFA D Men available? I know Scott Hannan is one. He's not really worth it IMO. He got paid pretty well in CO and he's not really an improvement over White.

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I don't recall any reasonable UFA choices from this year's remaining crop. It's a very thin herd. Right now, best we can hope is that Taormina has a solid season and maybe pots 30 points, and maybe Greene is a little better on that side of the puck. I don't think it's worth trading for a "PMD" who can't play D, but I am a fan of Bouwmeester. Guy's a horse. Still, it's true he's not worth 6.68 cap hit. I miss Paul Martin, sadly.

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I don't recall any reasonable UFA choices from this year's remaining crop. It's a very thin herd. Right now, best we can hope is that Taormina has a solid season and maybe pots 30 points, and maybe Greene is a little better on that side of the puck. I don't think it's worth trading for a "PMD" who can't play D, but I am a fan of Bouwmeester. Guy's a horse. Still, it's true he's not worth 6.68 cap hit. I miss Paul Martin, sadly.

I guess Chris Campoli could be a project on some team. Guy's averaging 27.88 points per 82 games. Not terrible, I guess, and he's still young enough. I don't know much about his defensive prowess, however.

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I miss Paul Martin, sadly.

I don't...I don't seem to recall too many brilliant breakout plays from Mr. Martin over the years. So overrated

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I don't...I don't seem to recall too many brilliant breakout plays from Mr. Martin over the years. So overrated

I dont either. fvck him frankly.

The only players we've lost that Ive truly missed are Nieds, Rafalski, Madden, and Gionta. Lemieux for a little bit too after he went to Colorado, but I disliked him quickly.

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I dont either. fvck him frankly.

The only players we've lost that Ive truly missed are Nieds, Rafalski, Madden, and Gionta. Lemieux for a little bit too after he went to Colorado, but I disliked him quickly.

I honestly do not miss Madden and Gio all that much. I liked them as players, but really just do not miss them.

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Not that I want to trade him, but why the heck doesn't Volchenkov get an extra 2-5 minutes per game.

i think we'll see that go up. injuries certainly hampered him - he only played 57 games or something like that. and the games he came back from injury he was coddled a bit.

the fact that he did not play any PP time and was actually the 2nd PK pairing often (was usually white and greene and tallinder first) didn't help.

if you look at his early season numbers, he was getting 20 minutes. but he got hurt and tallinder-fayne became the defacto top pairing.

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