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GDT: Islanders @ NJ Devils 1PM 11/26/11

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Truly sad if this happened. Thought the Devils fans were good fans.

Eh, at some point you gotta show dissatisfaction when a guy's massively underachieving and got his head in the clouds. The only voice the fans have to do this is to boo.

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Kovy needs to be on the left. We didn't sign a guy who has a bajillion goals on left wing to play right wing.

He needs a center who can compliment him and he needs to be on the left.

This is why Parise and Kovy won't be on the same team for years to come. Both are suffering.

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Kovy needs to be on the left. We didn't sign a guy who has a bajillion goals on left wing to play right wing.

He needs a center who can compliment him and he needs to be on the left.

This is why Parise and Kovy won't be on the same team for years to come. Both are suffering.

I can't argue this logic the more we try to force-feed them on the same team (Parise at C being another example). That said I wouldn't mind seeing Parise-Henrique-Tedenby(?), Kovy-Zajac-Clarkson, Sykora-Elias-Zubrus as a top three lines all getting significant icetime, then you don't have to really worry about the fourth line too much.

If we had another RW we could split them up, that's the real problem with the forward lines right now, along with missing Zajac. That's why I want to give Tedenby at least a look with the better players, Palmeri got enough of a look there and more besides.

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As long as Zach Parise and Travis Zajac are on the same team, they need to play together.

If we want any shread of Zach Parise staying with this team, and I do, they can't be separated when healthy.

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you people do realize that kovalchuk's line scored both goals today, right? right. and that he was pretty much flying all game and made at least 3 great passes and had several scoring chances, right? and that the war room screwed new jersey again, right? right.

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there was a hilarious moment where no-vision henrique shot instead of passed to an open kovalchuk and kovalchuk couldn't believe it

henrique is going to make a heck of a winger

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wow did i just read in this thread that someone thinks NJ has the best goaltending tandem in the league and has a bottom third offense and defense? yeah, sure. and parise and kovalchuk will both keep shooting at 7.5%, that's bound to continue

the booing of kovalchuk was because some dolts clearly got tickets who moved to north carolina or california or some crap and got upset that their one devils game of the year was ruined

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Was the booing of Kovy really that loud? I was at the game and heard a faint smattering of boos at most. But I was sitting in the lower bowl; maybe it was more apparent up top?

I do believe, though, that some fans are starting to lose patience with him.

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you people do realize that kovalchuk's line scored both goals today, right? right. and that he was pretty much flying all game and made at least 3 great passes and had several scoring chances, right? and that the war room screwed new jersey again, right? right.

And you also realize Marty bailed the team's *** out on SEVERAL breakaways before the Kovy one finally bit us?

wow did i just read in this thread that someone thinks NJ has the best goaltending tandem in the league and has a bottom third offense and defense? yeah, sure. and parise and kovalchuk will both keep shooting at 7.5%, that's bound to continue

You said this all of last year and the team finished 30th in offense. They're only slightly improved from that, they still can't run a PP or finish chances. The only reason they're not even more terrible than they are is guys like Zubrus and Clarkson having hot starts.

Was the booing of Kovy really that loud? I was at the game and heard a faint smattering of boos at most. But I was sitting in the lower bowl; maybe it was more apparent up top?

I do believe, though, that some fans are starting to lose patience with him.

It was definitely pronounced and more than just 'guys who came in from NC for their one game a year'.

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I was in the bottom bowl and heard some boos at Kovy after the power play turnover but wasn't that loud.

While on paper we prob have at best a very average goaltending pair, they are both have been playing like vezina caliber goalies the past two it three weeks and are a lot of the times the reason why we won some games.

Tedenby had his best game I think in a long while but he still was largely ineffective.

Sestito is bringing the entire third line down.

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And you also realize Marty bailed the team's *** out on SEVERAL breakaways before the Kovy one finally bit us?

Most of the breakaways were after Kovalchuk's turnover. And yeah, Brodeur has finally played well these last few games, but before that, he was not even close to the 'best goalie in the league'.

You said this all of last year and the team finished 30th in offense. They're only slightly improved from that, they still can't run a PP or finish chances. The only reason they're not even more terrible than they are is guys like Zubrus and Clarkson having hot starts.

But did the offense eventually come around? Sure. The point is that some players are going to have hot starts, that's the nature of goal scoring. Last year literally everyone except Arnott got off to a cold start, that's not how goal scoring typically works. The team was shooting 5% as a TEAM in all situations at this time last year. Before today's game they were shooting 8.6%, and that's pretty much what they shot today. Clarkson and Zubrus will 'go cold' and Parise and/or Kovalchuk will 'get hot'. Right now what NJ could use is a third line center, because neither Carter nor Sestito is getting it done. Moving Henrique down there will work wonders.

It was definitely pronounced and more than just 'guys who came in from NC for their one game a year'.

Meh, it was a normal Devils crowd to my ears on the television - no support for the team when they trailed, only got loud when the game was tied.

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From TG's blog post regarding Kovy's unsportsmanlike penalty:

“I’m not condoning what he did and I think he could have channeled it a little differently, but I also understand that when the official is standing right there at that point in the game,” DeBoer said. “It happened to be the same guy (Jackson) that saw Zach get slashed (Friday by Tavares) on the Island (and didn’t call a penalty). So, it’s frustrating. But he’s got to channel that better.”

What's messed up is the same guy decided not to call two blatant penalties against the Devils? I am shocked at what passes for refereeing these days.

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While on paper we prob have at best a very average goaltending pair, they are both have been playing like vezina caliber goalies the past two it three weeks and are a lot of the times the reason why we won some games.

I'd love to see some of these other goalies try to play behind the Devils' defense. The Luongo of the past couple of years would go bat**** insane with all these breakaways against, like he's having battle flashbacks from his time in Florida. With the way Marty and Moose have played from the second half of last year on I really don't think it'd be better behind anyone else.

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Most of the breakaways were after Kovalchuk's turnover. And yeah, Brodeur has finally played well these last few games, but before that, he was not even close to the 'best goalie in the league'.

But did the offense eventually come around? Sure. The point is that some players are going to have hot starts, that's the nature of goal scoring. Last year literally everyone except Arnott got off to a cold start, that's not how goal scoring typically works. The team was shooting 5% as a TEAM in all situations at this time last year. Before today's game they were shooting 8.6%, and that's pretty much what they shot today. Clarkson and Zubrus will 'go cold' and Parise and/or Kovalchuk will 'get hot'. Right now what NJ could use is a third line center, because neither Carter nor Sestito is getting it done. Moving Henrique down there will work wonders.

Because he was hurt for a long stretch, and his numbers just aren't going to be great playing the majority of games behind this team, which I know you think is upper-echelon but at some point you're gonna have to acknowledge it's not. And btw that ridiculous double save late in the second period off a breakaway came before the Kovy nonsense.

The offense did not come around. Even in the second half they were a bottom-tier offense. Kovy came around, and that got the offense from ungodly bad to just normally bad. Marty/Moose and an improved defensive system carried them in the second half.

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wow did i just read in this thread that someone thinks NJ has the best goaltending tandem in the league and has a bottom third offense and defense? yeah, sure. and parise and kovalchuk will both keep shooting at 7.5%, that's bound to continue

the booing of kovalchuk was because some dolts clearly got tickets who moved to north carolina or california or some crap and got upset that their one devils game of the year was ruined

do you remember you said the something last year.

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What the hell is wrong with booing kovalchuk when he makes stupid plays that costs us the game? I love Kovalchuk and want to see him score goals and play well with very little mistakes. I want to see him carry this team and win a cup NJ I do not want to see him give away the puck in front of our own net that costs us the game winning goal for the other team.

kovalchuk agrees it was his fault....

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/comments/kovalchuk_takes_all_the_blame_for_devils_loss_to_islanders/

“I made that mistake on that power play, so it cost us the game,” Kovalchuk said. “I’ll take all the blame for this one.”

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Because he was hurt for a long stretch, and his numbers just aren't going to be great playing the majority of games behind this team, which I know you think is upper-echelon but at some point you're gonna have to acknowledge it's not. And btw that ridiculous double save late in the second period off a breakaway came before the Kovy nonsense.

no, right now the devils aren't playing like a top tier defense, the neutral zone coverage has been bad.

but brodeur's play is being seriously overrated. today he was very good, on wednesday he was great, but he has not been great.

The offense did not come around. Even in the second half they were a bottom-tier offense. Kovy came around, and that got the offense from ungodly bad to just normally bad. Marty/Moose and an improved defensive system carried them in the second half.

sure, and that was enough to win when the devils were playing historically great defense. right now NJ isn't getting a power play every other game either, and the power play is going to start to pick up.

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you people do realize that kovalchuk's line scored both goals today, right? right. and that he was pretty much flying all game and made at least 3 great passes and had several scoring chances, right? and that the war room screwed new jersey again, right? right.

triumph is going to his corsi this team and fenwick the devils right out of a playoff spot.

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What's done is done .. to kind of take this forward, what should this team do:

Sykora-Elias-Zubrus

Tedenby-Carter-Clarkson

These two lines should be set and not tinkered with. They have a mixture which works. The next two are somewhat of a challenge

Parise-Henrique-Kovy ... unfortunately there is not a lot devils can do about this and with Palmieri down.

Our fourth line needs some tweaking, I think we should simply go to Zharkov-Mills-Janssen. Zharkov has never shown himself to be a defensive liability and can be moved up to the Carter line towards the end if needed, also, he seems to be a better option than Sestito.

Once Zajac is back, we can discuss whats to be done then ...

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Give me a break, Tri, that was one of the worst plays I've ever seen. I didn't boo him because I was too busy laughing at whoever the dumbass was that queued up that video, but give me a break.

He is the epitome of disappointment

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Not to mention being a baby late in the third period and rolling around on the ice like he was a soccer player. I was so ticked at him for his ten millionth careless stickhandling giveaway on the power play I didn't even get pissed at that, though in many ways it was even worse than the actual giveaway. Having to kill off a needless penalty in the final minutes down a goal was asinine. Hell I was so pissed at Kovy, I'm still more pissed at him than I am at Toronto for THEIR obvious double-standard when it comes to us and their own rules.

It was far worse because it wasn't a mental error, it was being a baby. He also never backchecked into the play, instead he half-assed his way back to stop in between the red line and the blue line to argue. AND WOULD NOT CHANGE. I think in the end he pretty much got dragged off the ice. So basically he didn't backcheck, bitched about something that couldn't be changed, and then basically made them play shorthanded before getting T'd up.

Awful. The turnover you can kinda laugh off in a funny Steve Smith WTF just happened kind of way, that stuff is just totally lame, though.

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Give me a break, Tri, that was one of the worst plays I've ever seen. I didn't boo him because I was too busy laughing at whoever the dumbass was that queued up that video, but give me a break.

He is the epitome of disappointment

Yes, one of the worst plays you've ever seen, no doubt. Of course he makes that move once a game and gets away with it almost always, but that's one of the worst plays you've seen. Was it a bad play? Absolutely, but 'one of the worst plays you've seen' - even for a master of hyperbole such as yourself, this is a new low (or high).

He is the epitome of a scoring player who is bad at defense. Today I was really impressed by his passing. When he has a month where he scores 10 goals and shoots 25%, we'll hear much less of this kind of bitching.

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Wow. I'm at of loss for once guys. I hate Kovalchuck and the refs. Kovalchuck is the worst thing that has ever happend to the New Jersey Devils. Remember this post 10 years from now when we've won nothing.

please jump off a tall building :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:

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Yes, one of the worst plays you've ever seen, no doubt. Of course he makes that move once a game and gets away with it almost always, but that's one of the worst plays you've seen. Was it a bad play? Absolutely, but 'one of the worst plays you've seen' - even for a master of hyperbole such as yourself, this is a new low (or high).

He is the epitome of a scoring player who is bad at defense. Today I was really impressed by his passing. When he has a month where he scores 10 goals and shoots 25%, we'll hear much less of this kind of bitching.

Yeah, turning the puck over 10-15 feet from the net with no one behind you, while pointing the PP, totally brilliant. Just because he does the same stupid sh!t all the time makes it okay.

Basically he's the offensive answer to Devils Bob Carpenter. The best he can do is a draw. If he doesn't do what he's supposed to do, it's a waste of time.

Granted I would have a good laugh at that play if it wasn't for his awesome effort after getting sticked. Play dead, saunter back, don't backcheck, argue with the ref instead! Of course do it in a manner that they can't even change him off the ice. Totally brilliant!

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I find it hilarious that people in the forum are still sticking up for Kovalchuck. He looked like he didn't even want to be on the ice right before Larrson scored his goal. When he's on defense (granted he's a goal scorer) he literally has the look on his face of

'I don't give a fvck what happens.' If you people don't agree or can't see it you're either in denial or you're a fvcking idiot.

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