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I beg to differ given the shots he's taken that FLY around the net wide. I have seen some games where shots counted are way off and some where they on top of things. I guess it is as flawed as the +/-.

Again, he needs to shoot more.

I'm not seeing where you state that his cap hit will allow Parise to resign, allow Elias to play another season, allow us to sign a SOLID goaltender. Granted these things are the future, but how can you say it is manageable with no facts of HOW it is manageable. HOw close to the cap are they when they are able to resign Parise and given what has happened thus far, will he return?

I'm not. The point is that his cap hit is not that bad. And it's Lou that worked it out and decided that this would work for the team. Parise can totally still be signed but if he isn't that's on Lou.

How would you define the rest of the team? Are they defensively able to counter-act the defensively liablility he has this year and last year? I'm not sure what crystal ball of the future you are looking at, but there are not concrete facts, only speculation and hope. Let's remember the gems named "FOSTER" that were drafted and never panned out. Parise was awesome, but it is chance.

The Rangers brought in older players (Jagr, Shanahan, Gretzky, and that second go with Mark Messier). Richards is a good pick-up and always was. I had hoped the Devils would have signed him. He would've made a better fit than Kovalchuk or he might have helped Kovalchuk and vise-versa, but who would've gone to get him with Kovalchuk?

There is just too much wrong here to respond. The first part is incoherent for part and then leaves out every young player we have. The second part misses a whole generation of Rangers signing superstars and sucking.

I don't understand. Everything means something. Kovalchuk is on the ice for a LOT of goals, granted he is on the ice a lot period, but the scoring he provides versus the scoring that happens when he is on the ice is not a positive number most times.

This can be fixed by giving him a defensive player to play on that line that we eiher don't have or haven't utilized or by NOT having him on the team to commit those horrible turn-overs. Is the "chance" of him scoring worthy of the all the turn-overs and goals he gives up? I say "NO", the stats say so too.

You came up with a useless equation to play with an already useless individual stat. The Devils in general have bad plus/minus. Kovy plays the most so... And to the 2nd part of that...what?

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fvcking Lundqvist ... Ahh, that felt good to say!

I got a nice photo of myself with Deb after the game. That's something, I guess.

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Chorske17 can say what he want about kovalchuk... But honestly i cant see how we can bash at im

He wants to win, he play hard and he is our best offensive forward (thats why he is paid for)

So i honestly cant see how the bahsing at him.. Really tired of all that! Last saturday every habs fans telling me that the devils were lucky to have Kovalchuk because he play hard and he can shoot and pass.And as soon as i go on that blog i see basher of him!

Yes he does mistake here and there but lately you cant blame Kovalchuk especially tonight (how good he was)

Simple story Lundqvist save the rangers ass tonight and marty didnt make the save!

And yes we lost ! but all these basher were quiet the last four game when we won...

We are 6 in the east with couple of points ahead of the other position so lets support our team. We are not doing that bad right now.

I will support my team, i will support kovalchuk and i cant blame him this year (Trust me in the beginning of the season last year i was bashing im for doing nothing) but now 25 points in 28 games and he had a slow start

Kovalchuk is and will be around 80 points !

Seriously after that game i cant see how somebody could bash Kovalchuk

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Chorske17 can say what he want about kovalchuk...

And yes we lost ! but all these basher were quiet the last four game when we won...

We are 6 in the east with couple of points ahead of the other position so lets support our team. We are not doing that bad right now.

Seriously after that game i cant see how somebody could bash Kovalchuk

sry yes i agree

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elias is our best forward yah just saying

points per game kovalchuk is higher (he miss 5 games)

We all know Kovalchuk is not the devils he is part of the devils want he brings is his offensive tool

And those who talks about his contract he is 6,666 per years (ovechkin is 9,999) so it not that high

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I don't think anybody is seriously denying that Brodeur is declining. It's just that some people don't take as much pleasure in constantly pointing it out as others.

Am I happy about him declining? Of course not, I never said that.

However if it bothers you a lot to be reminded that he is then that is on you as it is a fact and with stats to prove it this season. That is like people getting upset with me or anyone saying that the rangers are ahead of us in the standings. None of us are happy about it but it is a fact. How you take it is up to you.

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I've never seen more Rangers fans at a game, and I've never experienced them being that bad.. Up by me in 226/227 they were worse than Philly fans in Philly.. And Devils fans couldn't say anything they just kept shouting sh!t

I know Devils fans like to take the high road but honestly I would have preferred to punch him in the face

That's exactly why I can't go to the games anymore. I've been to MSG twice and the Rock 3 times. I'm 0-5 and have gotten kicked out of the two games at MSG. I'm a police officer in NJ and I can't get in trouble for going hulk on some ignorant Rangers fan. I could ruin my life and someone else's and its just stupid that I get even that worked up about it because apparently the Devils could care less. This has been going on for 5 years. Every game. Even the games we win against this team now don't feel like a win. It boils my blood so bad that I just cannot go to these Devils Rangers games because I'm afraid I'll get into a brawl due to the amount of Ranger fans that show up at our building. It's truly embarrassing and its a disgrace that the team moved to Newark. I fvcking hate Prudential Center.#27 retiring is the best thing that's happened to that building and although that's great and cool I want something cool to happen NOW.

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I think the last totally awesome game between the Rangers I saw was the one where we won like 8-6 I think? There was a total playoff atmosphere in that game. What was it 06-07 or 07-08? Anyway we need to bring the kind of game to the Rangers that we brought in that game.

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sucks... im really pissed tonight! but godamnit Brodeur really killed us. He's not doing the big key saves anymore

it's a huge stretch but with a decent goalie making the big key saveswe could have a way better post season record... like seriously that Staal goal is still hurting... there's no way it should have went it... and seriously who knows maybe we could have won the cup that year, just like Boston like year, barely made it through first round but became hot after and won the cup.

but i mean its not his fault really, he did not out of the blue gave us a bad game, he gave us exactly what he's been giving us lately. So if i knew it, i'd expect the coaching staff to know it too!!!

Hedberg played really good against Dallas... then we played Montreal, i wanted Hedberg but we got Brodeur because well... its Montreal, so i can understand that... but we did not win because of Brodeur, we won cause we scored 5 goals. So its bs that he got the start today, Moose deserved it.

Really pissed, i feel for you guys... i dont mind losing to the Rangers as much as loosing to MTL but its still pissing me off the way it went down

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I thought the Devils played quite well, but Lundqvist and the Rangers overall team commitment to blocking shots was the difference. Kovalchuk had a great game I thought. As to his turnovers, Kovalchuk is trying to make things happen. As a result he's going to make riskier passes to try and pressure the Defense. It adds another element to the NJ offence (something we've been complaining about missing for years it seems) and that Kovalchuk/Henrique/Parise line has been clicking as a result. I'd much rather have him try things like that than just resort to dump and chase (which is also basically turning the puck over, only in a less dangerous area).

Larsson also had a strong game I thought. I think Foster taking over his PP duties has either kicked his ass into gear or he's gotten more comfortable with the smaller workload.

Elephant in the room: Brodeur is a big problem this year. I really hope we don't look at the end of the year and see that Brodeur's play is what kept us out of the playoffs.

Among qualified goaltenders, he's 42 of 44 in save percentage

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/goaltending/sort/savePct/year/2012/seasontype/2

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It feels awful to lose to the Rags but let's not blow it out of proportion.

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That was a disgraceful performance IMO. We threw that game, we gave it away. We gave 'em the friggin game. IMO that sucked.

You can't allow 10 shorthanded goals. Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think we are when we do something like that. Unbelievable, 10SHG against. We might be going for an NHL record. It's absolutely pitful to perform like that. Pitful.

Playoffs? I just hope we can win a Rangers game.

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I did not watch more than the first 5 mins of the game, but regardless I am not going to whine and moan that we lost. It appeara the devils showed up and played well as a team. They are working well together, which is better than in the start of the season.

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That was a disgraceful performance IMO. We threw that game, we gave it away. We gave 'em the friggin game. IMO that sucked.

You can't allow 10 shorthanded goals. Holy crap, I don't know who the hell we think we are when we do something like that. Unbelievable, 10SHG against. We might be going for an NHL record. It's absolutely pitful to perform like that. Pitful.

Playoffs? I just hope we can win a Rangers game.

Sadly enough they're on pace. 22 SHG in 80GP is the record.

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Awful loss only because its the rags, other than that, just a blip on the radar, team is playing very well.

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I've never seen more Rangers fans at a game, and I've never experienced them being that bad.. Up by me in 226/227 they were worse than Philly fans in Philly.. And Devils fans couldn't say anything they just kept shouting sh!t

I know Devils fans like to take the high road but honestly I would have preferred to punch him in the face

It might have actually been worse than Game 5 in 2008, the only other time the Ranger fan presence has truly been 50-50 at the arena. Probably because it was a 24/7 game and Rag fans couldn't wait to take over the arena for a game that was going to be highlighted on HBO :P

But also, I think the tiered pricing has hurt us this year...certainly the last two games. The attendance for a Habs weekend game was way down and it's no accident imo that more Ranger fans are coming in with the tickets more expensive for us (but still below the Rangers' own prices).

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Am I happy about him declining? Of course not, I never said that.

Sure seems that way sometimes. Prodigy said it perfectly...you seem to think you had some profound insight and are now being proven correct now that Marty is truly playing like he's on the decline. I said in previous posts that it was impossible to predict what Marty would be this season. But yeah, at 39 and with his mileage, this isn't coming as a real surprise to anyone...we were all hoping for better, that he could build off his second half of last season, but clearly it hasn't happened.

What makes you annoying about this one particular topic is, like I've said, you make it sound like this kind of play has been the norm for several seasons now, and that somehow no one else has been able to see it except for you. I've pointed out in previous posts to you how, up until last season's first half, Marty's numbers have been as good or better than his career norms in recent seasons, despite facing MORE shots behind less-talented defenses, but you blow that off like none of that matters, and retort with statements like "Well, he hasn't played as well against the Rangers," like you need to find some kind of measuring stick, no matter how flawed, to prove that Marty's really been such a zilch for years now. Like beating the Rangers is the be all-end all of the Devils' world and the only thing that should count. Like his recent record against the Rangers negates everything else he did in the last five years or so.

Now I see you're even trying to negate what Marty's done against the Rangers in his prime, like he was just along for the ride. I am at a complete loss why you feel like the need to constantly downplay Marty's contributions to this franchise, but I've given up trying to figure that out, because you obviously have some issue with the guy that I'll never understand. When he was successful, it was all about the defense in front of him; now that he's struggling, it's because he's being exposed now that "Stevens and company" are gone, though he still played well after they had moved on. Whatever.

However if it bothers you a lot to be reminded that he is then that is on you as it is a fact and with stats to prove it this season. That is like people getting upset with me or anyone saying that the rangers are ahead of us in the standings. None of us are happy about it but it is a fact. How you take it is up to you.

Funny, NOW it's OK to use stats to back up YOUR point, but when others pointed out how the stats DIDN'T back up your whole "declining for years" argument, those stats didn't matter.

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I found this exchange between Chico and Cangialosi particularly disturbing...

CHICO: "Next time the Rangers sell out MSG, we oughta drop a bomb on the building. A giant bomb. Just level the whole place. Kill everyone inside."

CANGIALOSI: "Chico...you're scaring me."

CHICO (MENACINGLY): "I'm starting to doubt your loyalty, Steve. Something you wanna share with me, ya little bitch?"

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I found this exchange between Chico and Cangialosi particularly disturbing...

CHICO: "Next time the Rangers sell out MSG, we oughta drop a bomb on the building. A giant bomb. Just level the whole place. Kill everyone inside."

CANGIALOSI: "Chico...you're scaring me."

CHICO (MENACINGLY): "I'm starting to doubt your loyalty, Steve. Something you wanna share with me, ya little bitch?"

Yeah -- that WAS!

At first he was all laughing and Chico-ish he was so cheerful saying it... but when that "li'l bitch" popped out almost under his breath like that ... I dont think he was kidding so much :mellow:

Edited by Pepperkorn

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Actually did anyone notice.... Steve really was feeling the hate for the Rangers. Is he an Islander fan or hOnestly always a Devil fan?

One night when the Devils were playing the Islanders Dano cracked a joke to Deb - like "bet you'll like that" when she was going to be talking to an Islander... it was really funny - but he stopped himself kind of and they just let it drop. But I was thinking was that because she's such an Islander fan or because she used to work for them? She did right? or not? ANYHOW - it was really funny and playful and made me like Deb all the more

(I cannot spell AT ALL today not even my usual lisdexic stuff)

oh and here: **smoooooooch** that was for Scott Stevens. no NOT Marty... :giggle:

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I thought the Devils played quite well, but Lundqvist and the Rangers overall team commitment to blocking shots was the difference. Kovalchuk had a great game I thought. As to his turnovers, Kovalchuk is trying to make things happen. As a result he's going to make riskier passes to try and pressure the Defense. It adds another element to the NJ offence (something we've been complaining about missing for years it seems) and that Kovalchuk/Henrique/Parise line has been clicking as a result. I'd much rather have him try things like that than just resort to dump and chase (which is also basically turning the puck over, only in a less dangerous area).

Larsson also had a strong game I thought. I think Foster taking over his PP duties has either kicked his ass into gear or he's gotten more comfortable with the smaller workload.

Elephant in the room: Brodeur is a big problem this year. I really hope we don't look at the end of the year and see that Brodeur's play is what kept us out of the playoffs.

Among qualified goaltenders, he's 42 of 44 in save percentage

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/goaltending/sort/savePct/year/2012/seasontype/2

Exactly, he's getting killed for a risky pinch on a PP where we are down in the third period! ok, play it safe and let the rags clear. .

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I found this exchange between Chico and Cangialosi particularly disturbing...

CHICO: "Next time the Rangers sell out MSG, we oughta drop a bomb on the building. A giant bomb. Just level the whole place. Kill everyone inside."

CANGIALOSI: "Chico...you're scaring me."

CHICO (MENACINGLY): "I'm starting to doubt your loyalty, Steve. Something you wanna share with me, ya little bitch?"

:rofl:

And maybe the funniest part is the idea of Chico doing anything in a menacing manner.

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being there last night... started out so awesome. Tons of play in their zone, then the goal... oh man

once the Rags scored... the entire energy in the building changed, a guy 2 rows in front of me jumped up and spilled beer everywhere

It didnt help i had 2 meathead Ranger fans in front of me

When the 2nd goal was scored, one turned around and wanted to give me a high five, i gave him a look and said "turn the fvck around" he didnt look back after that.

then the 3rd goal happened... and some devil fans began to leave... one of them stood in the isles and began mocking passing Devil fans. Most of those passing fans shoved this one dude out of the way and flipped them the bird

With about 45 seconds left, i got up and walked up... avoiding any eye contact with anyone who would have been perceived as a douchey ranger fan.

it SUCKS to lose, but because they just invaded our Arena (As always) and a few disrespectful meathead ranger fans, it felt worse than usual.

we NEED more Devil fans to go to Ranger/Devil fans at The Rock... it doesn't feel like our Arena during these games... it bugs the crap out of me to look up and see so much blue.

i've been to a bunch of losses including the playoff loss that shalt not be talked about... this was not at that level, but the energy in the building had that feeling of utter disappointment.

But, in the grand sceme of things, its 1 game... Washington on friday, lets win that one!

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Sure seems that way sometimes. Prodigy said it perfectly...you seem to think you had some profound insight and are now being proven correct now that Marty is truly playing like he's on the decline. I said in previous posts that it was impossible to predict what Marty would be this season. But yeah, at 39 and with his mileage, this isn't coming as a real surprise to anyone...we were all hoping for better, that he could build off his second half of last season, but clearly it hasn't happened.

What makes you annoying about this one particular topic is, like I've said, you make it sound like this kind of play has been the norm for several seasons now, and that somehow no one else has been able to see it except for you. I've pointed out in previous posts to you how, up until last season's first half, Marty's numbers have been as good or better than his career norms in recent seasons, despite facing MORE shots behind less-talented defenses, but you blow that off like none of that matters, and retort with statements like "Well, he hasn't played as well against the Rangers," like you need to find some kind of measuring stick, no matter how flawed, to prove that Marty's really been such a zilch for years now. Like beating the Rangers is the be all-end all of the Devils' world and the only thing that should count. Like his recent record against the Rangers negates everything else he did in the last five years or so.

Now I see you're even trying to negate what Marty's done against the Rangers in his prime, like he was just along for the ride. I am at a complete loss why you feel like the need to constantly downplay Marty's contributions to this franchise, but I've given up trying to figure that out, because you obviously have some issue with the guy that I'll never understand. When he was successful, it was all about the defense in front of him; now that he's struggling, it's because he's being exposed now that "Stevens and company" are gone, though he still played well after they had moved on. Whatever.

Funny, NOW it's OK to use stats to back up YOUR point, but when others pointed out how the stats DIDN'T back up your whole "declining for years" argument, those stats didn't matter.

C'mon you are better than this.

I have even backed off on criticizing the prime of Marty's career as it was silly.

However, please just do not fall into the trap of doing what the fanboys do here all the time.

I really do not know where you are getting that I do not appreciate Brodeur as you hinted in the other thread. I do appreciate what he has done for the organization but honestly he has been hurting the organization more lately then helping.

I never claimed to have profound insight or anything and if you and Prodigy are saying that I am "happy" that Brodeur played terrible, then you didn't see how pissed I was last night at the loss. I wanted to win the game and I felt Brodeur was the main reason why we lost. To just brush it off aside to me is silly. If you go right away into defense mode at my posts then again it is on you and not me on how you interpret it. Again, I took no glee in the lost last night.

Plus, how many times have I said on this board over the last year that I thought Clarkson was trash and many people came to his defense and said I was wrong. Well Clarkson this year is proving them right and the Clarkson defenders have gone after me for my previous words about him. However, instead of going on a rant about it, I just accepted it and honestly Im happy Clarkson is making me eat my words. That means he is doing a better job and helping us win games. Right now a lot of members know I do not like Teddy right now, but if he starts finishing, I have absolutely no problem with people calling me out on it and making me eat my words.

Edited by DevsMan84

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