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And he has... how many 40-win seasons?

You seriously think how many WINS your team gets is a good indication of GOALIE performance? Seems like the most absurd stat of all.. One that would probably bump Chris Osgood up as one of the all time greats.. While Luongo in his first 4 years as a Panther must have sucked badly as he got almost no wins..

Obvious bad stat is obvious.

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Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905

who do you want in net ?

I pick Marty because...

1) cap hit

2) playoff success

3) stick handling

4) Bryzgalov= Cechmanek (fantastic regular season with ugly playoff numbers)

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Sounds like a lot of double standards being thrown out. A number of Marty's records were had using the shoot out rule.

Other than the regular-season win record, name another that was aided with the shootout rule.

Take away his shootout wins, and he would still own the all-time wins record by a wide margin...he has 609 non-shootout wins to his credit. The shootout allowed him to break the all-time wins record earlier than he would have otherwise, but as we saw, he would've broken it anyway in due time.

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You seriously think how many WINS your team gets is a good indication of GOALIE performance? Seems like the most absurd stat of all.. One that would probably bump Chris Osgood up as one of the all time greats.. While Luongo in his first 4 years as a Panther must have sucked badly as he got almost no wins..

Obvious bad stat is obvious.

Marty's 12 straight seasons of 30 wins or more say a lot about his consistency, durability, and longevity. Looking any further into those numbers would be foolish, but you can't just discredit them either.

The most 30-win seasons Osgood ever strung together was three ('97-98 through '99-00). And Roberto Luongo fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a better goalie than he really is playing in Florida. Your counter arguments to using wins as a measuring stick for goalies are both poor examples.

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Which is the better goalie and record:

Bryzgalov 47 47 2.65 26 13 6 .905

Brodeur 47 47 2.46 24 17 3 .905

who do you want in net ?

Let me guess. In front of Bryzgalov, the team would play better. :blahblah:

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I think he's going to sign two 1 year contracts after this year. Probably 3mil for 60 games and then 1.5 for 40-50 games.

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And Roberto Luongo fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a better goalie than he really is playing in Florida.

He fooled everyone to think he was a good goalie by playing really well consistently over 4 seasons? Not sure that is fooling someone as much as just being really good.

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He fooled everyone to think he was a good goalie by playing really well consistently over 4 seasons? Not sure that is fooling someone as much as just being really good.

Wait a second, you're gonna talk to Luongo's 4 seasons in Florida as a sign of consistency, yet downplay Brodeur's 12 straight 30-plus win seasons as a sign of consistency? OK. That makes sense.

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Wait a second, you're gonna talk to Luongo's 4 seasons in Florida as a sign of consistency, yet downplay Brodeur's 12 straight 30-plus win seasons as a sign of consistency? OK. That makes sense.

Brodeur was awesome, and consistent. However, those 30 wins just shows you he played on a consistently good team. It's a ridiculous stat to use when trying to measure individual performance.

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Most wins by a QB:

1) Brett Favre

2) John Elway

3) Dan Marino

Most wins by a pitcher:

1) Cy Young

2) Walter Johnson

t-3) Grover Cleveland Alexander

t-3) Christy Mathewson

Most wins by a goalie:

1) Martin Brodeur

2) Patrick Roy

3) Ed Belfour

Yeah. Wins are a ridiculous measure of how good a player was/is. All those guys up there just played on good teams. :rolleyes:

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One thing about NHL goalies...their numbers can be destroyed by playing on bad teams. One of many great examples is Chico Resch...just take a look at his post-Islander career with the Rockies/Devils.

Marty would be the first to tell you that he never puts up 649 wins and counting if he had to play for bad teams for an extended stretch, but NO ONE else would either...there's not a goalie, pitcher or QB alive that's winning big playing for crappy teams. And the Devils wouldn't have kept running him out there if hadn't performed at such a high level with such consistency through the years. My point with this is that Marty is well-worthy of his win total, no matter how many fans may want to debunk that, or think he's somehow lucky to have won so many games.

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My point with this is that Marty is well-worthy of his win total, no matter how many fans may want to debunk that, or think he's somehow lucky to have won so many games.

Don't get me wrong. I think Marty is one of the all time greatest goalies.. I'm just insisting that the numbers of WINS he has reflects more on the team he's been a part of then his individual performance, even though he has contributed strongly to many of them himself of course.

Again; Osgood has more wins then Hasek at roughly the same amount of games played.. Hasek is top 5 of all time imo, Osgood is likely not top 50.

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Don't get me wrong. I think Marty is one of the all time greatest goalies.. I'm just insisting that the numbers of WINS he has reflects more on the team he's been a part of then his individual performance, even though he has contributed strongly to many of them himself of course.

Again; Osgood has more wins then Hasek at roughly the same amount of games played.. Hasek is top 5 of all time imo, Osgood is likely not top 50.

Hasek's numbers are kind of screwy because he got such a late start to his career. He didn't get to be a full-time starter in the NHL until he was 29. I know since Hasek and Osgood played roughly the same number of games, so it might not make much sense to bring that up, but it's really too bad it took so long for him to become a starting goalie...he could've won 500+ games easily, though one could also argue that his playing only 53 NHL games before 29 might have helped him with his longevity...who knows?

Chris Osgood is probably better than people give him credit for, but not by much...the real telling stat with Osgood is his .905 save%, which is light years behind Hasek's lifetime .922. But to his credit, Osgood DID raise his game in the playoffs (.916). Hasek did slightly (.925), but how much better could he have been expected to be when he was the greatest pure puck-stopper of all time? But Osgood clearly benefitted from playing on stacked Detroit teams that were almost always offensive powerhouses and yearly SC contenders, while Hasek was elevating so-so/decent teams in Buffalo to good ones.

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650 wins...big milestone

unfortunately the last of his regular season Win milestones....I always hoped he would reach 700, but it would now take a semi-miracle of 2 more seasons.

Nevertheless 650 is huge.

As Chico said the new record will be over 100 more than the previous record, which itself was 100 more than it's previous record.

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unfortunately the last of his regular season Win milestones....I always hoped he would reach 700, but it would now take a semi-miracle of 2 more seasons.

Nevertheless 650 is huge.

As Chico said the new record will be over 100 more than the previous record, which itself was 100 more than it's previous record.

He probably finishes this season somewhere between 655-660. So figure 40-45 to get to 700.

Yeah, definitely a longshot, but I wouldn't write it off entirely.

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I just came across these factoids:

  • Youngest goaltender to win 300 regular-season games: Martin Brodeur (age 29 yrs., 7 mos.)
  • Youngest goaltender to win 400 regular-season games: Martin Brodeur (age 31 yrs., 10 mos.)
  • Youngest goaltender to win 500 regular-season games: Martin Brodeur (age 35 yrs., 6 mos.)
  • Youngest goaltender to win 600 regular-season games: Martin Brodeur (age 37 yrs., 11 mos.)

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He probably finishes this season somewhere between 655-660. So figure 40-45 to get to 700.

Yeah, definitely a longshot, but I wouldn't write it off entirely.

I didn't :)

What I wrote off entirely is that he could reach 700 wins in just one more season !

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There is no doubt that Brodeur wouldn't have won the same amount of games playing on a crappy team (no one would). But there also isn't any doubt that the Devils wouldn't have won the number of games, division championships, Eastern Conference championships and Stanley Cups as they have over the past 20 years if they didn't have Brodeur in net. The guy has been a rock, rarely missed a game, and was/is the model of consistency from that position. We have been privileged to watch him play for all these seasons.

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Stupid lockout potentially costing Brodeur 700 and a few shutouts.

Oh... and more importantly, stupid lockout costing me a season of hockey enjoyment...

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Costing me a final Scott Stevens season -- now I ask you who is REALLY hurting the most here? :rolleyes:

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Stupid lockout potentially costing Brodeur 700 and a few shutouts.

Oh... and more importantly, stupid lockout costing me a season of hockey enjoyment...

Sad and pathetic how many great players lost an entire year due to that nonsense.

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[*]Youngest goaltender to win 600 regular-season games: Martin Brodeur (age 37 yrs., 11 mos.)

And oldest :P

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