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GDT: ECF Game 5 - NJ Devils @ NY Rangers

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Damn watching the highlight of Elias goal, i realized how close Elias and Kovy were from an offside lol perfect execution

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Do you have a pic 1.5 seconds further? The goal was offside

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Do you have a pic 1.5 seconds further? The goal was offside

I think 1.5 seconds would be too much, thats how close it is.

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lol def. too much time.. CBC showed it in perfect slow motion and it was in fact offside.. but sometimes thats the way the cookie crumbles.. too fast to tell..at least it wasnt as bad as the offside goal in the Pitt/Fylers series.. that was just a sad miss call

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The guys on NHL Network said it was offsides. I'm not sure what the rule is on this, does the puck have to cross the line or just touch the line? If the puck is coming out of the zone I know it is still onside until it is completely over the line, so does the puck have to completely cross the line one way or the other for it to go from onside to offside or vice versa, or is the blue line always considered onside? :wacko:

The puck has to completely cross the line. It was a REALLY close call. I went through the replay frame-by-frame and it's offside by a few frames, fractions of a second. You can't blame the linesman for missing that. Kovy pulls the puck back right before it crosses the line.

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I turned off the game after the Rags scored the second goal and didn't watch the rest of the game. I just couldn't do it, and might even not even watch game 6 or 7 if it gets that far. Just way too nerve-racking, not to mention that I consumed about 10 cigarettes from 8 to 11 last night.

Why couldn't I have gotten into poetry instead of sports?

I feel the same way.. I don't want to watch, but when I think that here I am, just a fan and all I have to do is sit on my couch and watch the tv while the players have to go out and compete through the nerves and such, it reminds me that the least I can do is watch the damn thing lol

Maybe that helps?

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and all I have to do is sit on my couch and watch the tv while the players have to go out and compete through the nerves and such, it reminds me that the least I can do is watch the damn thing lol

Maybe that helps?

I have a habit of not being able sitting through a game. I have a 37" TV but I stand like 3-4' from it and watch the game, pacing. I'm too nervous to sit. People looking through the bay window in my house must think i am strange, pacing back and forth in front of the TV.

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If this is 1994, we're in trouble. Our top line is made up of a 15-year old and two 9-year olds.

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If this is 1994, we're in trouble. Our top line is made up of a 15-year old and two 9-year olds.

Second oldest team in the NHL my ass! :P

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If this is 1994, we're in trouble. Our top line is made up of a 15-year old and two 9-year olds.

Hey, that would probably crush the Rangers - their whole defense wouldn't be older than 7.

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Hey, that would probably crush the Rangers - their whole defense wouldn't be older than 7.

That's true. The average age of everyone on these two rosters in 1994 (including the two head coaches): 11 years old.

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I have a habit of not being able sitting through a game. I have a 37" TV but I stand like 3-4' from it and watch the game, pacing. I'm too nervous to sit. People looking through the bay window in my house must think i am strange, pacing back and forth in front of the TV.

I do the same thing. The more important the game, the less time I can spend just sitting on my couch. (Except for Game 7 against Florida, but that might be because it had gone on so long).

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The puck has to completely cross the line. It was a REALLY close call. I went through the replay frame-by-frame and it's offside by a few frames, fractions of a second. You can't blame the linesman for missing that. Kovy pulls the puck back right before it crosses the line.

Are you saying the puck comes out after that image? According the the definition 95Crash posted, at that exact instant the play is deemed onside as the puck as completely crossed the leading edge, not the blue entirely (as if the linesman's job wasn't tough enough) and Elias skate is still on the line.

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Are you saying the puck comes out after that image? According the the definition 95Crash posted, at that exact instant the play is deemed onside as the puck as completely crossed the leading edge, not the blue entirely (as if the linesman's job wasn't tough enough) and Elias skate is still on the line.

The leading edge of the blue line is the edge farthest from the puck. The puck has to completely cross the line to go in. Then, once it's in, it has to completely cross the line again to come out. (Another way to think of it is that the blue line is considered part of the zone that the puck is currently in.)

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The leading edge of the blue line is the edge farthest from the puck. The puck has to completely cross the line to go in. Then, once it's in, it has to completely cross the line again to come out. (Another way to think of it is that the blue line is considered part of the zone that the puck is currently in.)

"Leading" means first edge, so when entering the zone the leading edge should be the one you first cross.

I think the wording on the rule may have been changed after the lockout to increase offense, because I think the old way of calling it was the way you've listed.

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"Leading" means first edge, so when entering the zone the leading edge should be the one you first cross.

I think the wording on the rule may have been changed after the lockout to increase offense, because I think the old way of calling it was the way you've listed.

When I first read it, I also assumed "leading" meant the first edge of the line you cross, but now I believe it actually means the farthest edge, closest to the goal you're skating toward. This is what Wikipedia's entry on Offside (ice hockey) says:

"There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

  1. Puck position: the puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line closest to the attacking zone, thus entering the attacking zone
  2. Attacking players' skate position: when the puck enters the attacking zone, the skates of at least one attacking player are already fully within the attacking zone"

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No, the rule wasn't changed. It's still the same as usual. It's just bad wording.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=387914

"What you need to know is as a result of the blue line being twelve inches wide there are two edges to consider for the offside rule; inside or leading edge and outside edge as the puck exits into the neutral zone."

"When a team is attacking the zone, the puck must completely cross the inside edge of the blue line prior to the skates of any attacking players."

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When I first read it, I also assumed "leading" meant the first edge of the line you cross, but now I believe it actually means the farthest edge, closest to the goal you're skating toward. This is what Wikipedia's entry on Offside (ice hockey) says:

"There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

  1. Puck position: the puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line closest to the attacking zone, thus entering the attacking zone
  2. Attacking players' skate position: when the puck enters the attacking zone, the skates of at least one attacking player are already fully within the attacking zone"

Ya, but that's wikipedia, it owuldn'tbe the first thing they've had wrong. The definition of leading is first.

I would argue their skate position thing is broad enough either. If you have one foot in the zone and one foot in the air then you're also offsides, even though both skates aren't fully in the attacking zone.

No, the rule wasn't changed. It's still the same as usual. It's just bad wording.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=387914

"What you need to know is as a result of the blue line being twelve inches wide there are two edges to consider for the offside rule; inside or leading edge and outside edge as the puck exits into the neutral zone."

"When a team is attacking the zone, the puck must completely cross the inside edge of the blue line prior to the skates of any attacking players."

Definitely bad wording, they're using leading to mean the opposite of it's definition. :lol:

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When I first read it, I also assumed "leading" meant the first edge of the line you cross, but now I believe it actually means the farthest edge, closest to the goal you're skating toward. This is what Wikipedia's entry on Offside (ice hockey) says:

"There are two determining factors in an offside violation:

  1. Puck position: the puck must completely cross the edge of the blue line closest to the attacking zone, thus entering the attacking zone
  2. Attacking players' skate position: when the puck enters the attacking zone, the skates of at least one attacking player are already fully within the attacking zone"

Not too long ago Fraser described it.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=387914

What you need to know is as a result of the blue line being twelve inches wide there are two edges to consider for the offside rule; inside or leading edge and outside edge as the puck exits into the neutral zone. Offside results when a player(s) of the attacking team precedes the puck into the attacking zone. The position of the player's skates and not that of his stick shall be the determining factor in all instances in deciding an offside.

When a team is attacking the zone, the puck must completely cross the inside edge of the blue line prior to the skates of any attacking players. (*However, a player actually controlling the puck who crosses the line shall not be considered "off-side," provided he had possession and control of the puck prior to his skates crossing the blue line.) A player deemed to be in control and possession of the puck can skate backwards into the zone and not violate the off-side rule.

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Our 4th line is incredible.

For Deboer trusting them in a tie game with 5:00 minutes to go says it all.

Hope we re-sign the 3 of them this summer to have the same 4th line next season!

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I'm not running anywhere. This one hurt. Will respond to stuff tomorrow when I can think a little more rationally. Afraid I am might break my laptop if I start posting now.

Can't blame you.... If I were in your position I would DEFINITELY have broken your laptop.

Just kidding. As I mentioned earlier in this thread, Devils fans have been bitching about never playing a gam where we were the ones who were outplayed, out shot, etc and yet still came off with the win. Well last night we got one. In fact, last night felt like a seasons worth. That ricochet behind Marty, off the post, and past Salvador (I think) without hitting anything or anyone else and getting dumped right back into the net was surely a sign that the almighty is behind the Devils this year. If we win the cup I think we are going to have to sacrifice something big to the hockey deities.... A crappy Islander fan won't do it this year!

Note: I am going to hell for this post. Could one of the Flyers or their fans save me a seat please?

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Rangers gonna be coming at us with everything. If anything last night proved was that throwing the puck at the net from wherever may pay off for them. We gotta come at them M.O.P. style

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haha, i wasn't online during the game...but reading pages 10 through 12 are hilarious lol

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Yes now we HAVE to close it out.. Just like in the Philly series, we have to step on their throats.. Let's go boys

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haha, i wasn't online during the game...but reading pages 10 through 12 are hilarious lol

More sad than hilarious. I re-read them, and the number of "game over, series over"-type posts are still a little disconcerting. I get being frustrated as a fan, and the opponent being the Rangers definitely helps to make emotional reactions more extreme than they might be otherwise, but these Devils, from top to bottom, have still earned a hell of a lot of respect. This has been a tremendous run.

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More sad than hilarious. I re-read them, and the number of "game over, series over"-type posts are still a little disconcerting. I get being frustrated as a fan, and the opponent being the Rangers definitely helps to make emotional reactions more extreme than they might be otherwise, but these Devils, from top to bottom, have still earned a hell of a lot of respect. This has been a tremendous run.

Thing about that is so do the Rangers. They've had Rocky-like tendencies all year...get beaten up, still find a way to win. I really thought letting them off the hook in that fashion would be fatal, happy to be wrong but don't let up tonight. Don't let them off the canvas this time and get it done! Can't rely on winning a third straight game at the World's Most Famous Arena (although at this point I can't say I'd be surprised about anything that happens).

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