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‏Zach Parise has agreed to terms with the Minnesota Wild

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The ownership issue is THE issue. I think Parise wants to stay. I think he can get a nice contract here - not what he'd get on the open market, and not Kovalchuk money, but nice. But if this is going to turn into a floor team while Vanderbeek continues to pull his Worm-from-Rounders act writ large, it's going to turn into a terrible situation quickly, because this team doesn't have enough young players to make it into a Stanley Cup contender in the near future as a floor-ish team. It'd be Parise and Kovalchuk taking up $18M and the rest of the team would be getting $40 M. Tough to win that way.

The thing is, if Parise does get a fair contract, he can be moved if he wants out. Kovalchuk's contract is just about unmovable even with the season he had.

I don't think we'll ever be a floor team, more like a middle-of-the pack to top 3rd. So far as I can tell, the team hasn't had trouble being current on its debt payments, save the advance that it got this year. It's really the balloon payment that's the issue. That's unobtainable whether total salary is $5 million more or $5 million less than what was paid out this year. Plus, I think creditors look at the $30 million in revenue the team brought in during the playoffs, and will realize that you need to spend money to make money. That is unless there's a lot of faith in Lou that he can get similar results with a lot less.

I also think Kovy is more movable than you think, so long as there isn't a huge drop off in his performance in the next three years. He's got a lower cap hit than any major free agent is going to have going forward, and there are enough teams that make enough money to afford it from a financial standpoint.

Or maybe I'm just being delusional.

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I don't think we'll ever be a floor team, more like a middle-of-the pack to top 3rd. So far as I can tell, the team hasn't had trouble being current on its debt payments, save the advance that it got this year. It's really the balloon payment that's the issue. That's unobtainable whether total salary is $5 million more or $5 million less than what was paid out this year. Plus, I think creditors look at the $30 million in revenue the team brought in during the playoffs, and will realize that you need to spend money to make money. That is unless there's a lot of faith in Lou that he can get similar results with a lot less.

I also think Kovy is more movable than you think, so long as there isn't a huge drop off in his performance in the next three years. He's got a lower cap hit than any major free agent is going to have going forward, and there are enough teams that make enough money to afford it from a financial standpoint.

Or maybe I'm just being delusional.

I agree on Kovy being moveable if need be. His hands, shot and passing will be that the last to go and he does have a very cap friendly contact

Re Parise- I hope people don't stress if we don't re-sign him. Of course we would be a bit worse off, but I don't think a team with financial issues should massively overpay for a player like Parise who will be a shell of his former self in five years. Let's face it: Parise will never beat you with a shot or a pass. Once his speed goes, he'll essentially become a checking forward. How many of you will be comfortable paying over 7 million for a 3rd liner?

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I agree on Kovy being moveable if need be. His hands, shot and passing will be that the last to go and he does have a very cap friendly contact

That said, you only move Kovy as a last resort. He's an awesome player and has gotten a lot better since the trade. All things being equal, I think he has at least five or six more years playing at an elite (yes I consider him elite) or very high level.

And for me, it's almost a wash between Kovy and Parise.

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That said, you only move Kovy as a last resort. He's an awesome player and has gotten a lot better since the trade. All things being equal, I think he has at least five or six more years playing at an elite (yes I consider him elite) or very high level.

And for me, it's almost a wash between Kovy and Parise.

I know ZP is better defensively, but he just isn't a game breaker. How the **** do you get out scored by a gimpy Kovalchuk? I feel dirty typing these things about Parise, but let's call a spade a spade. Parise will never take over a playoff

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I know ZP is better defensively, but he just isn't a game breaker. How the **** do you get out scored by a gimpy Kovalchuk? I feel dirty typing these things about Parise, but let's call a spade a spade. Parise will never take over a playoff

Big shutdown defensemen like Pronger and Chara neutralize Zach in the corners pretty easily. Thankfully, there are not many of them but the images of Pronger making Parise his little b**** in the 2010 playoffs is still fresh.

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I know ZP is better defensively, but he just isn't a game breaker. How the **** do you get out scored by a gimpy Kovalchuk? I feel dirty typing these things about Parise, but let's call a spade a spade. Parise will never take over a playoff

I agree with this. If Zach leaves its a huge blow and theres no way to sugarcoat it, but if Zach gets 8-9 million from someone else, I think Kovalchuk is a better player at his price. He fits here like a glove now and was our best player this past year. If Kovy was healthy during the playoffs, we may have the Cup right now and he could've been THE reason and moreso than Zach or even Marty.

That being said, I'm reading speculation about trading Kovalchuk to fit Zach. This would anger me more than not re-signing Zach. I cannot see us going through all of what we did to bring Ilya in and then trading him. I can absolutely see him traded in the future, but just to fit Parise? No. If Zach wants to be "the man" so badly, he's surely not going to get that in sh!tsburgh. BTW, this http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matthew-Barry/If-NJ-Signs-Parise-Kovalchuk-Could-Be-Moved/125/45238 is Єklund (2.3% accurate)'s "source" for the Kovy baloney. A Kings blogger who posted an opinion piece now its got "sources" and can happen now lol.

fvck, I hate Єklund (2.3% accurate). He doesnt mention this once and then some blogger mentions it as pure speculation for the future and now it has "sources" and is a "possibility" now. I admit I fell for his schtick when he first started, but I just don't see how anyone could give him a dime for his charade at this point.

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I do not like comparing Parise to Kovalchuk because they bring two different styles to the team...which we need! Kovalchuk cannot carry the team, niether can Zach (maybe they can). This team is so potent and so dangeours when we have these two elite players on the ice every night. They bring so many different dynamics. Parise and Kovalchuk make the perfect offense. If Kovys playmaking abilitlies or shooting dominance cant get it done you have Parise who will never stop grinding until he jams one into the back of the net. Devils NEED these two players in order to have success.

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To add some more tea leaves to read, got a tweet from the official Devils twitter with a quote from Parise that "we want to try to get things worked out with New Jersey." Nothing new, but interesting that the team itself is publicizing it.

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I totally agree with ZP basically being a 3rd line grinder 5-6 years from now. He simply doesn't have the same skillset and talent as someone like Kovy (or Nash) to carry him once age sets in. I hope we sign him to a 5-7 year deal at 7M a year.

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I totally agree with ZP basically being a 3rd line grinder 5-6 years from now. He simply doesn't have the same skillset and talent as someone like Kovy (or Nash) to carry him once age sets in. I hope we sign him to a 5-7 year deal at 7M a year.

It is conceivable that he could live off of his "hockey sense" and still get by as a top 6 player, but otherwise I agree.

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From http://triblive.com/sports/2082976-85/penguins-parise-suter-crosby-defenseman-free-million-salary-agency-believe

Armed with salary cap space — and a captain they believe can serve as hockey’s finest pitchman — the Penguins aim to go nuclear when NHL free agency opens July 1. Their plan is to pursue the two top players on the market, Nashville defenseman Ryan Suter and New Jersey winger Zach Parise, sources told the Tribune-Review this weekend at the NHL Entry Draft. Team sources said Crosby soon will sign a new contract in the range of 10 to 13 years with an average annual salary of between $9 million and $10 million and will try to recruit Parise, his longtime friend, and Suter.

The Penguins do not believe New Jersey would deal Parise’s rights to a division rival, but they are banking on a couple of selling points when he hits the market. Fresh off a run to the Stanley Cup Final with the Devils, for whom he served as captain, Parise prefers to play for a title contender, the Penguins believe. The Penguins are favored to win the Cup by Las Vegas bookmakers. Also, Parise and Crosby are good friends and share ties to a Minnesota prep school, Shattuck-St. Mary’s. Crosby is already in the ear of Parise about the possibility of playing together. Though confident they can land Parise in free agency, the Penguins believe he will receive a heavily front-loaded offer from at least one club, most likely the Minnesota Wild.

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Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice

Peter DeBoer just said on NHL Live that he's "optimistic we can get something done" with Zach Parise.

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Tom Gulitti just tweets, Peter DeBoer just said on NHL Live that he's "optimistic we can get something done" with Zach Parise.

And as far as Crosby luring him Travis Zajak is his best freind they played in ND together he loves it here. The only reason we don't sign Zach is going to be because of the debt the Devils are in plain and simple.

Sorry Moustic typing on a phone!, lol

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Tom Gulitti ‏@TGfireandice

Peter DeBoer just said on NHL Live that he's "optimistic we can get something done" with Zach Parise.

Hope its true, but I wonder how much insider info DeBoer really has.

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Hope its true, but I wonder how much insider info DeBoer really has.

A whole hell of a lot more than we do, that's for sure.

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Hope its true, but I wonder how much insider info DeBoer really has.

He could have zero insider info and still be "optimistic." That statement means nothing.

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I think DeBoer is really referring to the fact that he's hopeful and believes in his mind that something will get done.

Highly unlikely he knows anything or has any inside info at this point to lead to that conclusion, he's just making a personal statement.

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He could have zero insider info and still be "optimistic." That statement means nothing.

That's a bit untrue. He doesn't just have insider info, he's also part of the Devils organization, where every word is picked very carefully, especially around a sensitive subject like this. What I take from his statement is that signing Parise looks within reach. But maybe that's just me.

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Dreger tweeted that "its a good possibility" that the Caps trade Semin's rights.

If we lose Zach, Id say count Semin out. I personally didn't think that was a good chance anyway, but yeah.

Gotta hand it to the Caps if they do so. They got something out of Wideman (no matter how paltry) and may get something out of Semin too.

Posted this in the wrong thread, but I guess it kinda fits here lol

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Was it real Dreger or the evil one that said Parise signed a 8 year extension

The real one

Far from newsbreaking, but, good possibility the Capitals trade Alex Semin's rights.

— Darren Dreger (@DarrenDreger)

June 27, 2012

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I totally agree with ZP basically being a 3rd line grinder 5-6 years from now. He simply doesn't have the same skillset and talent as someone like Kovy (or Nash) to carry him once age sets in. I hope we sign him to a 5-7 year deal at 7M a year.

So you'd pay a guy who's only 5 years away from being a "3rd line grinder" 7m?

I just think the first part that post isn't very logical. I think people undervalue Parise just as much as others overvalue him. He isn't the be-all-end-all for the future of the franchise, but 5 years away from being a 3rd liner is a bit drastic.

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People way, way undervalue Zach Parise around here. Dude was a monster playdriver carrying around Kovalchuk's corpse for most of the playoffs.

The idea that Kovalchuk's skills won't go away has SOME merit to it, but look at the history of goal scorers - it's not a pretty history. Kovalchuk has back problems also, that's not exactly saying 'perfect future'. Yes, there are players like Selanne and Hull who've maintained their scoring. There are also plenty of players whose careers were over by 32.

And again - what has changed about Kovalchuk that would make him tradeable? I guess the salary cap, but no one was willing to sign him to that deal in 2010. Has really that much changed?

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People way, way undervalue Zach Parise around here. Dude was a monster playdriver carrying around Kovalchuk's corpse for most of the playoffs.

The idea that Kovalchuk's skills won't go away has SOME merit to it, but look at the history of goal scorers - it's not a pretty history. Kovalchuk has back problems also, that's not exactly saying 'perfect future'. Yes, there are players like Selanne and Hull who've maintained their scoring. There are also plenty of players whose careers were over by 32.

And again - what has changed about Kovalchuk that would make him tradeable? I guess the salary cap, but no one was willing to sign him to that deal in 2010. Has really that much changed?

Kind of. While he's not gonna win a selke anytime soon, his two way play his wayyyyyy better. He's also one of the top penalty killers in the league which no one knew about

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Brace yourself...

Josh Rimer ‏@JoshRimerHockey

From talking today w/ Zach Parise, I would not b at all surprised if he stays in New Jersey. Lamoriello & Parise camp trying 2 make it work.

Its from yesterday.

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