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Lockout 2012-2013 (Hockey's back!)

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Hahaha, people actually believe the league is taking everything off the table? Sure they are. Remember how everything came off the table last time? Good lord.

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I dont care what side you are on, you have to admit this is an epic Bettman promo.

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lol Bettman pooh-pooing a 'magic date'. Funny how it took him this long to say October 11 was his magic date.

Just do everyone a favor and please announce a season drop-dead date so I know when to pay attention again to this s**tshow.

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So 48 games is Bettmans bare minimum. Some have floated Jan 11 as latest possible start date. Everyone agree on that? That means figuring in two weeks of ramp up time the drop dead for negotiation agreement is what Dec 31st?

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I dont care what side you are on, you have to admit this is an epic Bettman promo.

This was Kruschev slamming his shoe on the table :lol:

So 48 games is Bettmans bare minimum. Some have floated Jan 11 as latest possible start date. Everyone agree on that? That means figuring in two weeks of ramp up time the drop dead for negotiation agreement is what Dec 31st?

We had 48 in '95 and that started on Jan. 20 I think with an agreement on Jan. 11?

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Yea you are right, that would make at most a month more of this nonsense.

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Good, I don't have to pay attention till after New Year's (when they should have been playing the Winter Classic), they can all **** each other till then.

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The four owners who were in the talks are going to release statements. As Gulitti said... interesting.

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That'll really be damning when moderates like Tannenbaum and Burkle go off on the players. The players are either going to come crawling to Bettman soon or start nuclear war.

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That'll really be damning when moderates like Tannenbaum and Burkle go off on the players. The players are either going to come crawling to Bettman soon or start nuclear war.

Yes, the 'moderates'. That'll really show em. Fehr should disclaim tomorrow. The NHLPA will end up with a better offer than they got tonight if that happens.

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Larry Tanenbaum, Chairman of the Board, Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment

"I was pleased to be asked to join the Player/Owner negotiation sessions. I had hoped that my perspective both as a businessman and as one of the owners of the Toronto Maple Leafs would be helpful to the process. Like all other teams, this work stoppage has hurt our fans, our employees and our business. Neither the owners nor the players will ever recover the losses incurred with this work stoppage.

I understand how important it is to have a strong league and 30 healthy teams. I must admit that I was shocked at how things have played out over the last 48 hours. The sessions on Tuesday felt cooperative with an air of goodwill. I was optimistic and conveyed my optimism to the Board of Governors at our Wednesday meeting. However, when we reconvened with the players on Wednesday afternoon, it was like someone had thrown a switch. The atmosphere had completely changed. Nevertheless, the owners tried to push forward and made a number of concessions and proposals, which were not well-received. I question whether the union is interested in making an agreement.

I am very disappointed and disillusioned. Had I not experienced this process myself, I might not have believed it. Like all hockey fans, I am hopeful this situation can be resolved as soon as possible. I miss our game."

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Fact is that they are now closer than they had ever been. Expect deal within the next week or two.

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owners telling players that fehr staying at the head is "potential dal breaker". the NHL had no idea what it was getting when fehr took the case.

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So basically Fehr overstated how close they were, Bettman got very angry about it. I wonder how much of these press conferences are for the general public and how much are to reach NHL Players?

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So basically Fehr overstated how close they were, Bettman got very angry about it. I wonder how much of these press conferences are for the general public and how much are to reach NHL Players?

Journalist consensus has been that it's been for the players + owners and not for fans. At this point they know fans are fed up.

EDIT: Oh yeah, pretty great maneuver for the owners to tell the players to make a deal without their union head.

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They've been trying to go around Fehr since Day One, like that stupid '72-hour limit' where players could call owners about the October proposal. It is a bit reckless to admit that it's a deal-breaker though. Although we as fans would prefer no Bettman or Don, you can't realistically ask the players to negotiate without their union head - even if his brother's in the room.

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Fact is that they are now closer than they had ever been. Expect deal within the next week or two.

That's similar to how I see it. The sides keep getting loser, the bluster in the media doesn't concern me if they keep talking and keep getting closer every week.

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dater ‏@adater

From deep inside players side: "We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out"

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dater ‏@adater

From deep inside players side: "We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out"

and he followed with

adater@adater

That deep-inside-players quote came from depth player. They want to play, but top players still in Fehr camp. Could explode soon

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Not a big surprise. The players have a depth vs star player difference of opinion and NHL has a big market vs small market difference.

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Haha that Adater tweet is why we're gonna see hockey this year. There is no way the NHLPA stays united for much longer

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That's similar to how I see it. The sides keep getting loser, the bluster in the media doesn't concern me if they keep talking and keep getting closer every week.

There is no 'keep getting closer' though - the two deals are as goddamn close as they can be. I have to imagine the NHL is working off some sort of calendar we're not aware of and that it will probably be at least a week before they meet again, probably longer.

That adater tweet is horsesh!t - that guy who just had a league source telling him that Fehr is a 'suicide bomber' 10% of the union at least has ZERO interest in a lockout - they would play if it went 60/40 owners players.

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dater ‏@adater

From deep inside players side: "We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out"

And that explains the 'change' between Tuesday and yesterday quite succinctly.

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There is no 'keep getting closer' though - the two deals are as goddamn close as they can be. I have to imagine the NHL is working off some sort of calendar we're not aware of and that it will probably be at least a week before they meet again, probably longer.

I actually think it's the opposite, Fehr blew up an almost done deal to try and put more time pressure on the owners.

I thought that before the tweet about Fehr privately telling the players the owners will bend more if they wait, that comment rings believable to me since that's how it looked to me from the outside.

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I actually think it's the opposite, Fehr blew up an almost done deal to try and put more time pressure on the owners.

I don't think he blew it up, but I guess we won't know. I mean, he certainly asked for more and put pressure on the owners, but this was the time to do it - it was clear the NHL very much wanted a deal.

I thought that before the tweet about Fehr privately telling the players the owners will bend more if they wait, that comment rings believable to me since that's how it looked to me from the outside.

I don't think Fehr wanted them to wait, he wanted a deal now but he thought he could get the league to go for some other things. I think the NHL has payment thresholds and the like that we're not privy to - sponsorship money and the like having to be refunded - and that's what I mean by a secret calendar.

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