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  1. 1. For those eligible, who are you voting for in November?


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Devilsfan26, you are trying way too hard to make a square peg fit in a round hole. President Food Stamps LOVES the welfare state and he loves big government. Welfare spending has exploded under his presidency. He would be right at home governing in western Europe. He would love to get single-payer health care, but it's not politically feasible in the US at this time. He can't be a Marxist and use drones to kill people? Don't think so.

Taken IN context, President Obama revealed his true self when he said "you didn't build that." He told the American people that we can thank the government for building "roads and bridges" (god, does this broken-record president love to say "roads and bridges") so that the private sector can exist. From this conservative's point of view, he's got it backwards. The roads are built to serve the needs of the private sector ... the people. The private sector is the master, and government is the servant. Obama believes just the opposite, which makes him a statist, Marxist, socialist ... they all fit.

Obama does not support single payer. if he did he would have at least had it on the table when starting to put together the Affordable Care Act. In fact he even said in one of the debates before he was elected that he was against single payer. Instead it was never even part of the discussion and he even nixed the public option because he is more beholden to appeasing the insurance companies than achieving universal healthcare, and because he knew the Democratic voters would continue to hail him regardless of how watered down his healthcare "reform" law ended up being. He loves more government control but guess what, so does Romney. If Romney was seriously against big government, wouldn't he be against indefinite detention, the Patriot Act, SOPA/PIPA, drones spying on citizens, etc? This is why Gary Johnson is the right choice for small government people.

Obama and Romney can say what they want, it's all pandering for votes until they actually do what they say, and if you look at how Obama has actually governed, he is not at all the Marxist that the Republicans make him out to be, nor is he this fresh progressive that the Democrats make him out to be. He is not far off from just being an extension of George Bush's term except with more corrosion of our civil liberties.

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You make some good points there, Devils26. The reason why the Obama administration is not all that different than Bush's is because Bush was so far from fiscally conservative it wasn't funny! Bush was a pretty bad president ... but he did get bipartisan support for his wars and big money social programs unlike Obama, who simply cannot work with Republicans.

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Why include polls that are over a month old? Nobody cares what the polls were a month ago.

http://www.realclear...obama-1891.html

So the last 5 polls listed have Obama up a few points, but often within the margin of error for the poll.

I'm not saying Romney will win PA, but it's not a guarantee Obama wins either.

Since it's beyond rational thought and you like to bet, I'll lay out $2 to your $100 dollars that Romney wins PA. :lol:

Also, Ryan just visited PA over the weekend.

I just copy/pasted the first ten on RCP, which is where that post's info came from. The older posts are there to show trends or lack thereof. Its tightened some, but that's not an oddity in an election with an incumbent with a poor first debate (Bush had the same problem).

No. The majority of them are outside the margin of error. Obama is also at 50% in the majority of them in 3/4 released since 10/21, which is considered "the magic number" polling.

Rasmussen 10/24 +5 51% (MOE is 4.5) Again, Rasmussen is largely accepted as being a right leaning poll.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/pennsylvania/election_2012_pennsylvania_president

I'm saying that Romney will not win PA and that its a guaranteed Obama win. $100 bucks on the line to anyone who takes the bet.

Oooooh Ryan was there! Ryan was also in Georgia today. Does anyone think Georgia is actually competitive and could go to Obama? The head of the ticket has not been there in months, and again, Romney has not spent any ad money there in a while since the voter ID law was struck down and neither have any Super-PACs. They also moved the communications director out of PA to VA because there's an actual contest there. No ad money. No visits. They don't think they have much of a chance. 2004 Bush basically parked his ass in PA the last month of the campaign, because it was actually tight.

Again, show one PA poll where Romney is leading. You showed a +2 Romney national poll where the polled can be taken from any state. National polls are far less reliable in deciding an election that will be decided by 5-6 states.

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You make some good points there, Devils26. The reason why the Obama administration is not all that different than Bush's is because Bush was so far from fiscally conservative it wasn't funny! Bush was a pretty bad president ... but he did get bipartisan support for his wars and big money social programs unlike Obama, who simply cannot work with Republicans.

He seems to work with Republicans pretty well when it comes to the wars and giving the government more power over its citizens, as well as other things like continuing to allow genetically-modified food to be produced without having to be labeled as such.

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:lol: I had been doing a project all night. I had misread the national poll since I had googled for the PA realpolitics polling.

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Obama does not support single payer.

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That was almost a decade ago. He specifically said in one of the 2008 presidential debates that he does not support single payer. If he supported single payer he wouldn't have completely shut it out of the discussion when trying to implement the Affordable Care Act.

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Romney leads Obama in 1 PA poll, linky, 49-45:

"A new poll shows Republican Mitt Romney leading in Pennsylvania, a state that Republicans had all but written off just weeks ago but which is now listed as a toss up by the Real Clear Politics website.

Susquehanna Polling and Research provided The Washington Examiner with a poll it conducted for state party officials that shows Romney with a 49 percent to 45 percent lead over President Obama.

It's the first poll to show Romney leading among likely voters in the Keystone State."

Just sayin....

Edit notes: Sorry, the quote feature is all wonky. Can't change font to something legible to old people like me.

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Romney leads Obama in 1 PA poll, linky, 49-45:

Just sayin....

Edit notes: Sorry, the quote feature is all wonky. Can't change font to something legible to old people like me.

Not really a new poll when it's from 3 weeks ago. FWIW Susquehanna has been constantly polling Romney as close in PA compared to their peers, they are either the only one that is right, or they have a conservative tilt.

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Tonight at 7:30 there will be another third party debate, this one will be moderated by Ralph Nader. You can watch it live online here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/busboys-and-poets#utm_campaign=www.facebook.com&utm_source=3789627&utm_medium=social

Also tomorrow at 9:00 will be the second debate run by Free and Equal, featuring Gary Johnson and Jill Stein as a result of them winning the instant runoff voting poll on their website after the previous third party debate. It will be shown on RT, you can see if you get that channel here. If not, you can watch it on RT's website and hopefully C-SPAN will decide to cover this one the day of like they did last time.

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So here is the debate from Sunday night. They had some technical difficulties in the beginning so the video picks up somewhere in the middle of the debate. It was great to see that the candidates were actually able to directly ask each other questions.

And here is the Free and Equal debate from tonight with just Governor Gary Johnson and Dr. Jill Stein.

Even if you're going to vote for a Democrat or Republican, at least be an informed voter and know what else is out there.

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Did C-SPAN end up showing last night's Free and Equal debate?

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Did C-SPAN end up showing last night's Free and Equal debate?

I'm not 100% sure because I was at work so I had to watch it online afterwards anyway, but I don't think they did.

Oddly enough, a bunch of networks in other countries did cover it though.

Also I still haven't been able to get an answer as to whether or not a certain percentage of the vote automatically gets a third party on the ballot next time, but 5% of the popular vote gets them federal matching funds for the next time around and I think in some states it does automatically get them on the ballot--whether or not New Jersey is one of them continues to be seemingly impossible to find out.

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According to this Washington Times article on Gary Johnson, 5% would get him on the ballot in any state. At least I think that's what it says.

http://communities.w...e-change-world/

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I stand by my prediction of a landslide of Carter-Reagan proportions. It's common sense.

Not one single McCain voter from four years ago will vote for Obama in 2012. But Obama will lose votes from several blocs because of his horrid record: Hispanics, women, white men, Catholics, Jews, small businesspeople. It's going to cost Obama every swing state, plus more. People are going to be talking about how inaccurate most polls were.

Watch as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin fall into the Romney column. Watch New Jersey and Nevada be nail-biters.

Let's watch and see.

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Hey, get back to work. Plenty of people on welfare are depending on you!

No, he should get back to work so he can make a lot of money for his boss, which can the be taxed at a lower rate than his income

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I stand by my prediction of a landslide of Carter-Reagan proportions. It's common sense.

Not one single McCain voter from four years ago will vote for Obama in 2012. But Obama will lose votes from several blocs because of his horrid record: Hispanics, women, white men, Catholics, Jews, small businesspeople. It's going to cost Obama every swing state, plus more. People are going to be talking about how inaccurate most polls were.

Watch as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin fall into the Romney column. Watch New Jersey and Nevada be nail-biters.

Let's watch and see.

You got basically nothing correct. The President has won by an electoral landslide. Florida is not even called yet and he already has 303 EV's.

Common sense? Common sense is not completely disregarding every single poll because its not going your side's way or blaming "the mainstream media" for all that ails the country. Common sense is not encouraging your party to go hard right when the demographics in this country are changing constantly and white people (myself included) no longer hold the cards.

Oh really? Romney got 100K less than McCain in Ohio and 200K less than Bush (04). Hispanics? At this point (3am) Hispanics voted for the President by a 3-1 margin which is BETTER than his 2008 margin in that same bloc. 40 point shellacking and he underperformed McCain among Hispanics nationwide! Obama won women 55 to 45 and both of these margins are expected to stay the same or grow by the time everything is counted. He didnt win white men, but the difference from 2008 was -3% and no one expected him to win that bloc. 70% of the Jewish vote. He's WON EVERY swing state bar NC (which almost all pollsters/pundits say was a longshot) with FL possibly going his way. The only improvement Romney made over McCain was the popular vote gap (no surprise), taking back Indiana and NC - which at the end of the day is nothing. Hell, Bush barely won in 2000 and 2004 and they're the most razor thin elections in modern history. The last time a Republican won with any sort of distance in the #s is 1988, now 24 years ago.

The GOP got slammed tonight. There is nothing they can hang their hat on, except the fact that a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage candidate (Christie) has a good shot in 2016 depending on how Obama's 2nd term goes and who runs for the Dems. Is it any surprise that the gap in the polls closed when Romney disingenuously lurched to the center in the first debate? When Romney was running hard right, he was getting smoked! W ran from the center-right from day one and still barely won. Gay marriage passed in every state it was on the ballot. The attempts to restrict women's reproductive rights was hammered in FL. Allen West is likely out. Michelle Bachmann could be out. Akin, Mourdock, Tommy Thompson, and basically every single senate seat that was contested has gone to the Democrats with a net gain of +4 not impossible with 3 races left to decide. At the very least, its going to remain the same in terms of the BOP in the Senate. The House has had a few more seats tip to the GOP with the re-districting, but no one expected the Dems to have a chance to take it.

Oh and just for kicks, Obama won PA by at 5 points. Too bad you didnt take the bet.

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Christie has 'no' shot in 2016, because of the pro gay marriage and choice thing, and because Repubs are somehow scapegoating him for losing the election after he dared to 'cross the aisle' with Obama after a state emergency. This after Romney was hammering home how much he would cross the aisle lmfao.

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I stand by my prediction of a landslide of Carter-Reagan proportions. It's common sense.

Not one single McCain voter from four years ago will vote for Obama in 2012. But Obama will lose votes from several blocs because of his horrid record: Hispanics, women, white men, Catholics, Jews, small businesspeople. It's going to cost Obama every swing state, plus more. People are going to be talking about how inaccurate most polls were.

Watch as Pennsylvania and Wisconsin fall into the Romney column. Watch New Jersey and Nevada be nail-biters.

Let's watch and see.

GHDI, laugh like Biden all you want, get ready for the shocker on Election Day. It's over.

I say Romney gets to 315 or 320, with Romney getting Pennsylvania, Ohio and Wisconsin. All these states are tight according to several polls, and I think the enthusiasm to fire Obama will be the difference that pushes all of them to Romney. Wishful thinking? We'll see.

So we can all agree it was just wishful thinking then?

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No, he should get back to work so he can make a lot of money for his boss, which can the be taxed at a lower rate than his income

Who's to say he can't be his own boss? If you don't work for yourself, it's your own fault.

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