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2013 Yankees Season

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As for pitching, they need a couple of arms. Arroyo might work. He's a proven vet who performed in Boston. Though I'd prefer another lefty. There's not much available. Josh Johnson wouldn't have been a bad choice. But he's better off back in the NL with San Diego. I'm one of those that likes bargains. I wonder who will take a chance on Santana.

I'm not being entirely facetious when I say that one of the reasons I don't follow baseball nearly as much as I used to is because garbage like Ervin Santana can ask for $100 million over five years with a straight face.

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Nice going Jay Z.  Yankees have the leverage now. 

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So apparently Seattle is OUT on Cano

 

Robbie Cano may have to accept what the Yankees are offering, I don't know if there's anyone else out there that would go near the pricetag he just scrapped from Seattle.

 

Looks like JayZ is completely in over his head, or he essentially got played by his own client, and perhaps both. 

 

The only thing that he can do to differentiate himself from guys like Boras is to push this idea that he can turn his clients into celebrities.  Sports agents aren't really in that game though.

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Gotta wonder if the Yankees are really that much better now than they were last year.  A no-brainer deal for McCann, a gross overpayment for Ellsbury, no Cano, probably not keeping Granderson, and all of the infield positions are question marks now. 

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Gotta wonder if the Yankees are really that much better now than they were last year.  A no-brainer deal for McCann, a gross overpayment for Ellsbury, no Cano, probably not keeping Granderson, and all of the infield positions are question marks now. 

 

Assuming Texeira's healthy, and perhaps if by some miracle Arod doesn't get suspended, I think there's a good chance they'll be better.  They have Soriano for the entire year, so power shouldn't be that much of a problem.  Who knows, maybe even Jeter will have something left in the tank. 

 

Really comes down to pitching though.

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It's mind boggling to me that the Yankees can't wait to overpay FA's from every other team but when it comes to their own guys they try to wrestle for every nickel and dime they could get. They give Ellsbury $150-170 million without blinking and act like it's an inconvenience to go over $160 million for Cano.

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It's mind boggling to me that the Yankees can't wait to overpay FA's from every other team but when it comes to their own guys they try to wrestle for every nickel and dime they could get. They give Ellsbury $150-170 million without blinking and act like it's an inconvenience to go over $160 million for Cano.

 

...except they were going to do 7/175 for Cano. 

 

I completely get why they stayed away from a 10 year deal, but it was clear that Cano wanted to be paid and paid well over being a Yankee.  He got his money, and I wish him all the best and thank him for the years of service to the Yankee franchise.

 

I highly doubt they can be as unlucky in 2014 as they would be in 2013 with regards to man-games lost.  They just need one more pitcher (rumors that Kuroda will be back for 1/16) that will give their rotation some reliability and ability to stay in games..

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I wish Cano the best in Seattle, except when he plays the Yankees of course.

I never wanted Cano to leave but I'm glad the Yankees didn't give him 10/240. Even 7/175 which I could get behind would've been a big stretch. Sucks in the short term but gives them a lot more flexibility in the long term.

I loved the McCann signing. The Ellsbury signing to me is questionable depending on what else they do. It only makes sense if they continue to spend to improve the team in the short term. They lost Cano now but if they go out and get Choo, Tanaka, Garza, and maybe bring back a guy like Reynolds, then I'll be happy with it. They just brought back Kuroda which is a huge plus.

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Yanks get Beltran:

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10093370/carlos-beltran-new-york-yankees-reach-three-year-45-million-deal

 

Hope he shows more of a pulse for you guys than he did as a Met.  BB-to-K ratio has been going in the wrong direction lately, but he should be solid as a part-time fielder and DH, who'll get plenty of ABs.

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Many Mets fan will hate to see Beltran in a Yankee uniform, and this will just add fuel to the flames of the morons that never appreciated his Met tenure, but honestly, I rather see him go there than Kansas City. If he went to KC then he probably goes into the HoF as a Royal. At least now the Beltran/Met HoF dream lives on, especially since this deal almost certainly takes Beltran to the end of his career. 

 

I think Yankee fans starving for offense will enjoy Beltran (10th highest wRC+ among qualified OF since 2011, 12th last season), although considering the lack of defensive value and age, it does seem like they paid a premium price to sign him. 

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You were pretty critical of him as a Met too nmig, until you discovered sabes.  Don't forget that. 

 

Yeah, he's probably going into the Hall (not too many CFs who put up his career power numbers, even if he's not a CF anymore).  He's going to have over 425 HRs and 1500 RBI by the time he's done.  I don't really care if he goes in as a Met...there was never really much of a connection with him, the Mets, and the fans.  There was much more of one with Piazza (after he signed...the fans were tough on him that first year, when he first came over in the trade). 

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It's mind boggling to me that the Yankees can't wait to overpay FA's from every other team but when it comes to their own guys they try to wrestle for every nickel and dime they could get. They give Ellsbury $150-170 million without blinking and act like it's an inconvenience to go over $160 million for Cano.

 

You're looking at it in the wrong light. 

 

Cano took a deal worth $240 Million total. For $280M total, the Yankees get McCann, Beltran, & Ellsbury. The crux of the Yankees argument was the years. Cano got his ten year deal.

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You're looking at it in the wrong light. 

 

Cano took a deal worth $240 Million total. For $280M total, the Yankees get McCann, Beltran, & Ellsbury. The crux of the Yankees argument was the years. Cano got his ten year deal.

 

They could have offered 8-200 before FA and at least shown the same 'effort' they did for other teams' FA's...dare him to take every last dollar.  When the difference is like $70-80 million there's really no choice, you're taking every dollar in that case.  Just like CC by the way when he became a Yankee.  

 

It's not the first time they've done this either...they gave CC/Texiera/Burnett the house no questions asked but when it came to Jeter they wound up in protracted negotiations.  Same with Pettite when he went to Houston.  Same with Bernie Williams before the Red Sox forced the Yankees' hand, or Posada before the Mets forced the Yankees' hand.  They throw Fort Knox at everyone else's guys but turn uber cold-blooded business mode on their own.

 

And Beltran...oy, like Evan Roberts tweeted at least he finally accomplished his lifelong goal of being a Yankee :rolleyes:

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Not sure what to make of Beltran to the Yankees...it will either be a rousing success or epic failure. Nothing in between.

 

37 years old at the start of the season, they will play him a lot at DH which should preserve his body. But he has a ton of MLB miles on him already, and he's always got a nagging thins or a gimpy that. He missed a ton of time in 09 and 10 but has played a lot since then. Still I would worry about the bottom falling out on a player like him. Sometimes you get a guy too late in his career

 

And yes the Yankees will dress him up and arrange the press conference perfectly. And he'll talk about how he's always wanted to be a Yankee, and the tradition and history and all that, and their will be a subtle scripted shot at the Mets. But ultimately his style and attitude will sort of rub the Yankee fan the wrong way just as it did the tri state area Met fan. All cut from the same cloth...I just don't think he will endear himself to Bronx fans.

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Beltran's getting well-paid, but the expectations are going to be much lower this time around.  When the Mets signed him, it was to be the cornerstone, the guy to build around, one of the main faces (if not THE face) of the franchise...the fact that he really wanted to be a Yankee in the first place (and his lousy first season as a Met) didn't do much to endear him to Met fans early on...clearly that's not going to be an issue this time around.  With the Yankees, all he's gotta do is be solid and stay healthy, and the fans will be happy...no one is asking him to be what he was in his prime...all he has to do is blend in, which much more conducive to the kind of guy Beltran is. 

 

With the Mets, something was clearly missing that can't be measured in numbers, but nmig and guys who share his viewpoint see nothing beyond sabes when it comes to him, so they think he walked on water as a Met.  Like I've always said, as a Met, he never felt as good as his numbers suggested he was.  In a way I think it's too bad he didn't stay in Houston...I think he could've been a conquering hero there, a guy who would've been revered, and I think his personality was better suited to that kind of market.    

 

The things to worry about for this coming season are a dropping walk rate (which has led to a lower OB%) and uptick in strikeouts (which has led to a worse BB-to-K ratio than we're used to seeing from Beltran). 

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The biggest issue with Beltran at this point is that he's become a very one-dimensional player, offering no positive value on the bases and being a big negative in the field (since 2011, his -40.4 defensive runs ranks 7th worst among qualified outfielders), which isn't a shock given his chronic knee issues and age.

 

I assume the Yanks will use split his duties between RF and DH, but even if he staves off decline at the plate (Yankee Stadium can help in that regard), it's hard to see him doing much better than +2 WAR, and then who knows what he'll be like in 2015 and 2016. This is why I think Yanks fans who just consider the hitting part of the game and ignore defense/positional value will enjoy him, but the more saber-slanted folks may be down on this deal. 

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I very much preferred Choo over Beltran but I'm just glad that they are spending money again and not punting the season like they did a year ago. Looks like the lost revenue caused Hal to wake up. So while Beltran wasn't my ideal candidate, I can't complain. Those declining BB/K rates scare the hell out of me and years 2 and 3 project pretty grim though. But perhaps he continues to defy the aging curve, we'll see. While his defense is atrocious, at least having Ellsbury and Gardner in the field should help cover some ground. Ellsbury can shade towards right, Gardner towards center to take some of the burden off Beltran. It's nice knowing that the Yankees are going to be fielding legitimate major leaguers in RF and C this year.

Really thrilled they brought Kuroda back again. Hopefully they can take care of him a bit early on in the year so he doesn't end up fading in the 2nd half like the past 2 years (through no fault of his own, he's gone above and beyond imo). I'm blindly optimistic in Sabathia being better this year than he was last year. Still need at least another SP, not sure if they go FA which has a mediocre group this year or trade.

 

I think we can safely throw out the idea of staying under the luxury tax for 2014. By my rough calculations they are around $169,600,000 (pre-bonus tax number) and $176,410,000 (max tax number) with A-Rod. Take away A-Rod and those change to $136,100,000 and $142,910,000 but the roster is still far from full.

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The Yankees ALWAYS spend money.  Yankee fans can't ever complain from that standpoint. 

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We need to DFA Vernon Wells.  At this point there is no room for him on the roster.  My ideal lineup is this.

 

C: McCann

1B: Teixeira

2B: ???

3B: ???

SS: Jeter

LF: Gardner

CF: Ellsbury

RF: Ichiro and Soriano platoon

DH: Beltran

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