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Official 2013 New York Mets Thread

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Sherman also says that some thought that Cards might be interested in Buck.  Apparently Molina's about to go on the DL. 

 

Man, if the Mets traded Buck and Byrd today for a couple of prospects...big win.

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Sherman says 2 executives would be shocked if the Mets do anything now.

 

Cool, thanks Sandy. You continue to prove what an overrated GM you are. This winter is my last straw with this group. 

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Sherman says 2 executives would be shocked if the Mets do anything now.

 

Cool, thanks Sandy. You continue to prove what an overrated GM you are. This winter is my last straw with this group. 

 

Passive fvcking clown.  Jesus Sandy, we weren't expecting you to turn the Byrds and the Bucks and the others into Zack Wheeler, we just wanted you to get some midling prospects!  You can't not give a sh!t about 2013, then decide now that suddenly 2013 matters to you!  Knew he was going to fvck this day up.  Oh well, guess it's all about going for 80 wins.  Wooo-hooo!  fvck you Sandy.  

 

Last three starts for Montero:  17 IP, 18 H, 9 R, 8 ER, 9 BB, 12 K, 4.23 ERA.  Numbers that worry you since Montero's been called up are the increase in BBs, and the PCL hitting .291 off him.  Hoping all of this is PCL-related more than anything else. 

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Can't wait to hear befuddled Sandy's stammering later, as to why he did nothing. 

 

Might as well open up extension talks with Byrd...if he's so friggin' important in Sandy's eyes in 2013, might as well keep him for 2014-15. 

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As annoyed as I might be with Sandy, man it seems like this day put the DEAD in deadline.  What the hell happened? 

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As annoyed as I might be with Sandy, man it seems like this day put the DEAD in deadline.  What the hell happened? 

 

This is how it normally is; trade deadline day for MLB is always a ton of rumors followed by very little consummation. It is what it is. 

 

I think MLB needs to move the deadline to sometime in August, maybe middle of the month or the end; with the 2nd wild card, way too many teams are reluctant to sell since they still think they are in it. 

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The absolutely only positives I can say about keeping Byrd:

 

1) It makes the final couple of months a little easier to watch. The team has been playing well since the Atlanta series in June and Byrd has had a big hand in that: his 2.6 fWAR and 3.2 bWAR rank 2nd on the team among its position players. There's no question the joy of watching the team would take a hit if you remove Byrd and replace him with, say, Lucas Duda, Andrew Brown, or some other stiff.

 

2) Byrd wasn't going to bring back much either way. He turns 36 in late August. He was mediocre in 2011, atrocious in 2012, and then got popped for PED's. His big offensive numbers are entirely built on BABIP (.350) and a AB/HR ratio that blows away anything he's ever come close to. Teams knows these things and probably were offering up nothing more than fringe prospects. 

 

To be clear, this is absolutely not some defense for them keeping Byrd. It was yet another poor deadline decision that has become all too familiar with this front office. But there are at least a couple of silver linings, knowing the team wasn't likely getting back much and, more selfishly, the team can be a bit more enjoyable to watch down the stretch, especially considering the way they've played the last 1.5 months.

 

As for the rest of the season, we all know the team isn't going anywhere. Still, maybe they can make a push towards .500, which would be a great achievement. They'd have to go 33-25, which is a .569 winning percentage, or nearly the same winning percentage the Tigers have had to date, so pretty unlikely to happen, but even just 77 or 78 wins (which is more around a .500 pace the rest of the way) would be pretty decent considering where they were in early June.

 

By the way, it sounds like we *may* get a cameo of Travis d'Arnaud; Buck might have to go on paternity leave within the next day or two, and d'Arnaud has the advantage of being a catcher on the 40-man whereas Francisco Pena and Juan Centeno, the current AAA tandem, aren't. 

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lol I can't say I'm surprised.  Sandy's got Darcy Regier disease, only will do a trade if he gets 120 cents on the dollar - with the exception of the Pagan-Torres/Ramirez trade which everyone thought was going to be a huge win for us.

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Sandy Alderson said Mets gone from a “fairly barren” OF to the “most productive” OF in baseball.

 

 

 

lol I think that annoys me more than the no activity. Under what metric are the Mets the 'most productive OF' in baseball?!

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lol I think that annoys me more than the no activity. Under what metric are the Mets the 'most productive OF' in baseball?!

 

 

They've been getting terrific Julys from both Byrd AND Lagares, and strong play from Eric Young.  That group has been very good, especially compared to what the Mets started the season with.  Let's face it, Sandy has gotten extremely lucky....the Mets got more out of Byrd than they had any right to expect, EY was a nothing-to-lose crap-for-crap deal that the two teams hope somehow works out, and Lagares was flat-out rushed up to the majors, but has managed to adapt.  What's great is that the three of them have banished the nonentities like Nieuwenheis out of the lineup.  Hopefully we won't have to see much more of Doofus either. 

 

But yeah, a bit much to call them the "most productive OF" in baseball, even with the terrific collective July they've enjoyed.  But we couldn't have dreamed of this kind of outfield play not so long ago.

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The absolutely only positives I can say about keeping Byrd:

 

1) It makes the final couple of months a little easier to watch. The team has been playing well since the Atlanta series in June and Byrd has had a big hand in that: his 2.6 fWAR and 3.2 bWAR rank 2nd on the team among its position players. There's no question the joy of watching the team would take a hit if you remove Byrd and replace him with, say, Lucas Duda, Andrew Brown, or some other stiff.

 

2) Byrd wasn't going to bring back much either way. He turns 36 in late August. He was mediocre in 2011, atrocious in 2012, and then got popped for PED's. His big offensive numbers are entirely built on BABIP (.350) and a AB/HR ratio that blows away anything he's ever come close to. Teams knows these things and probably were offering up nothing more than fringe prospects. 

 

To be clear, this is absolutely not some defense for them keeping Byrd. It was yet another poor deadline decision that has become all too familiar with this front office. But there are at least a couple of silver linings, knowing the team wasn't likely getting back much and, more selfishly, the team can be a bit more enjoyable to watch down the stretch, especially considering the way they've played the last 1.5 months.

 

As for the rest of the season, we all know the team isn't going anywhere. Still, maybe they can make a push towards .500, which would be a great achievement. They'd have to go 33-25, which is a .569 winning percentage, or nearly the same winning percentage the Tigers have had to date, so pretty unlikely to happen, but even just 77 or 78 wins (which is more around a .500 pace the rest of the way) would be pretty decent considering where they were in early Jun

 

By the way, it sounds like we *may* get a cameo of Travis d'Arnaud; Buck might have to go on paternity leave within the next day or two, and d'Arnaud has the advantage of being a catcher on the 40-man whereas Francisco Pena and Juan Centeno, the current AAA tandem, aren't. 

 

I've talked about the winning %s before.  They do have a shot at .500 if they can avoid any major slumps.  It'd be a hell of an accomplishment.

 

Agree with your take on Byrd...can't defend the decision to keep him, but the Mets have now been a decent team for a nice stretch...31-27 in their last 58 GP.  Trading Byrd probably kills that mojo, and would take some of the fun out of the immediate future.  I could understand why GMs might be a little hesitant with Byrd, but I figured his very low salary would offset that, and that interested GMs might think "Well, he's hot this year, might as well ride it out."  But it's not like a lot of bats moved today. 

 

At any rate, the team should be entertaining for the rest of the year.  Might as well enjoy it. 

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Don't look now, but Ike is sniffing .180. 

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They're still near the bottom of the league, but the last 2 weeks or so the Mets have hit into a ton of double plays. Quintanilla just needs to take ball 4 there and not pull it to 2nd.

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Well that's where it sucks carrying 13 pitchers and riding with a short bench. Final two pinch hitters in a tight spot in the 9th are Justin Turner, career .670 OPS, and Anthony Recker, career .572 OPS. Blah. 

 

Oh well, Mejia pitched decently tonight; 55% groundballs and 4 strikeouts to 1 walk, those are good things. Certainly didn't help himself at all in the field and with the bunting, though.

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Ike Davis' July:

 

62 AB, 8 RS, 15 H, 4 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 9 RBI, 14 BB, 18K, .242 BA, .382 OB%, .355 SLG, .736 OB+SLG

 

Admittedly, if this had come back in April, these numbers would've had a very different feel to them...more of a "OK, not great, but there's positives, like the good K-to-BB ratio, the very good OB%, Ike avoiding another dreadful start, etc."

 

Does this lead to an improved August?  Who knows.  But it's beyond frustrating that it took a sh!tty April, a sh!tty May, a June that was on its way to being sh!tty, then a minor-league demotion, then a call-up, then FINALLY a month that can be categorized as decent at best, and mostly because this "meh" kind of month represents a quantum leap in performance over the rest of the season.  Passive and Collins really fvcked up on this one, especially with the track record dating back to last season...Ike shouldn't have been given the seemingly endless leeway that he was.  If the Mets had made this move in May, maybe this process of improvement could've been sped up. 

 

What sucks is that it really feels like Ground Zero with Ike...I see the July numbers and I'm almost judging them like they're rookie numbers.  It actually feels like Ike is almost starting over as a major-leaguer.  What's funny about it is that he's still young (only 26, won't be 27 until spring training next season), so if Ike shows more improvement in August and even more in September, what the hell do the Mets do?  Try to trade him while his value is up a little?  Or do they keep him and hope that Ike Davis version 2.0 (if he keeps up what he's doing now and does a bit better for the rest of the season, his July thru September numbers should be roughly on par with his 2010 rookie season) is the Ike Davis of the future?  He's arbitration-eligible this offseason...would the Mets actually consider non-tendering him? 

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Ike fvcking Davis.  Too bad the Mets weren't already winning by 7 runs, maybe he would've done something there.

 

And remember Josh Satin...the red-hot Satin who was hitting .353 on July 4?  Well, since Ike came back up on July 5, Satin had has 6 DNP and 9 single at-bat games.  He's 8-for-35 in that time (5-for-31 if you take out the first game of that stretch).  Look, we all know he wasn't going to continue to be a .353 hitter, but it's hard not to think that playing here-and-there and trying to make him a pinch-hitter hasn't screwed him up a bit.  Sucks that the Mets had to fvck with him when he was hot, when the guy who's taking playing time away from him has done so little to deserve it.     

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Starting to think the Mets have squeezed all they can out of Quintanilla. 

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it's amazing how Tom fvcking Koehler stymies them

 

More like it's amazing how every opposing pitcher that pitches when Harvey's starting turns into Cy Young.  The guy has 4 wins in his last 17 starts.  He's allowed 2 ER or fewer in 11 of those starts.  Unreal.

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Yeah I've had enough of Quintanilla. He's nothing more than a AAA journeyman type. Tejada was awful up here earlier in the year but they may as well just bring him up with a fresh start. Either way they absolutely should be looking for a SS in the offseason.

Typical Harvey run support today, just amazingly frustrating.

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Harvey's going to be around 100 pitches by the end of the 6th. 

 

I was thinking the same thing, re: Tejada, even though his PCL-bloated numbers are nothing special (.306 BA w/5 BB in 28 GP).  He's probably not going to do much more than Quintanilla, but Quintanilla has already established himself as a AAAA-type who can have some short-term success in call-ups, but nothing sustainable.  With Tejada, he at least still has youth on his side. 

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What a frustrating inning. Pierre yet AGAIN in the middle of things. Harvey looked like he was going to pull a Houdini too.

First earned run since the All Star break. No run support. fvcking infuriating.

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