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"I don’t think there is any doubt [Elias is] a Hall of Fame play

Elias to the Hall of Fame?  

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  1. 1. Is Elias a Hall of Famer?

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    • No
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http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2013/02/is_devils_patrik_elias_a_futur.html

"I don’t think there is any doubt he’s a Hall of Fame player," coach Pete DeBoer said. "It’s a great luxury to have him on the ice and in the dressing room. He thinks like a coach and he has a world-class player’s skills. When you’re building a hockey player, you can’t ask for much more than that."

I'm ok with him getting in.

EDIT: Title got cut off...mods help me....

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Devilsfan118    764

If Elias had his career with a big market team like Montreal or Toronto you can bet he'd already be declared a first ballot.

 

I think he gets in eventually.

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DJ Eco    201

My answer, as most will probably be, is "YES". But I can understand why he may not be a shoe-in or the first name to mind that will be inducted.

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Depends on your criteria.  Played in the Dead Puck Era and wasn't surrounded by great offensive players for much of his career, but still has a legit shot at 1000 points in about 1150 GP.  I can see the arguments for and against, as he feels like a borderline kind of guy.  But he should probably get in.

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MadDog2020    1,931

I think Patty has a little work to do, but he's in if and when he hits 1,000 points. Maybe not on the first ballot, but should he reach 1,000, he'll get in eventually. It would be awesome for me to see him get in too, Patty is my favorite all-time Devil not named Scott Stevens.

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SterioDesign    261

i think he should be in but i think he won't be and that Devils fans will whine about it for years and years how unfair it is.

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Daniel    375

His biggest obstacle is that the people doing the voting have never watched him play on a consistent basis.  As the article mentions, Cam Neely is in the Hall of Fame while Pat Verbeek, who did better in all of the traditional statistical categories is not.  It probably has a lot to do with Verbeek having his best years in NJ and Hartford.

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Triumph    645

His biggest obstacle is that the people doing the voting have never watched him play on a consistent basis.  As the article mentions, Cam Neely is in the Hall of Fame while Pat Verbeek, who did better in all of the traditional statistical categories is not.  It probably has a lot to do with Verbeek having his best years in NJ and Hartford.

 

Verbeek was never a top player.  He was a very good player, but he got to play during the live puck era.  He was never once top 10 in goals or assists, and was a 2 time All-Star when the All-Star game was played every year.  Cam Neely was a 5 time All-Star with 4 top 10 finishes in goals including one year where he played 49 games.

 

The thing about Elias is that for basically every 10 game stretch where he continues to perform like he has throughout his career (and isn't injured) his chances increase.  It would have been easy to figure after the 2011 season that Elias's game would begin to decline, and that his career might be over by 2013 or 2014.  But that hasn't happened yet, and as long as that doesn't keep happening, if Elias can put up another 120 points in his career, he'll have at least a shot.  To me he should be in without question - maybe not first ballot, but he's put together a very impressive NHL career.

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devilsrule33    189

How dare you steal my 205th addition of the HHOF game. But seriously, it's a tough one for a non-Devils fan. I think it is a bit too early to say for sure. He truly is a complete player, but for HOF-type player, he certainly had some real down years you don't see many in the HHOF have.

I really think he and Alfredsson are pretty similar comparables. I don't think Elias did anymore than Alfredsson to deserve the 2 Cups that Alfredsson doesn't have. So while Cups should be valued, I don't think they should be that important for all players.

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Devils731    36

Can I vote maybe?  He's really going to be close either way and how he finishes his career will matter, so I can't tell now.  Looking at how he's playing at the moment, I think he'll get in.

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DH26    15

Daniel Alfredsson's regarded as a HOFer and while he's scored a few more points, he's played with better offensive players and I can't fathom him being better defensively than Elias. I'd take Patty any day of the week over a lot of guys that are supposed HOFers playing today 

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MantaRay    59

Patty will retire as the greatest forward in the history of the team.   He will get overlooked by voters because sacrificed personal points for winning.

Four trips to the Finals and two Cups says he will make the HOF.

Edited by MantaRay

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pattyelias    22

let's not forget patty's money OT goal numbers and his playoff point totals.  those should count for something, no?

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mouse    43

If Elias has a couple more years with good stats, his numbers are borderline, impressive for a guy who played in a defense first system and dedicated himself to it throughout his career, and dealt with 2 lockouts and a bout of hepatitis that can be directly attributed to 1 of the lockouts, and cost him a ton of games (plus probably 2 or so years playing at less than 100%). If he wins 1 more cup, he's a lock (though team achievements maybe shouldn't count as much as they do). Even without, I think he deserves it. I also think he has a decent shot, just because people are already talking about it, and not just in NJ.

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Neb00rs    185

Patty will retire as the greatest forward in the history of the team.   He will get overlooked by voters because sacrificed personal points for winning.

Four trips to the Finals and two Cups says he will make the HOF.

This is exactly the summation of it. Dare I say it?...I will let Manta be the spokesperson for all my opinions on Elias from here on out.

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Patty will retire as the greatest forward in the history of the team.   He will get overlooked by voters because sacrificed personal points for winning.

Four trips to the Finals and two Cups says he will make the HOF.

 

I don't necessarily think he "sacrificed personal points".  He has always gotten opportunities to play with the Devils' top offensive personnel through the years (rightly so of course), though clearly the quality of that personnel varied.  His most impressive season from an offensive standpoint was really 2003-04.  In a lot of ways, it was him or it was nothing that year.  He popped in 38 goals...Gio ranked second, with 21, and Gio really didn't get going until the end of the season, when the EGG line was put together.  Gomez had 70 points to rank second behind Elias' 81, but Elias' finishing ability clearly helped Gomez's numbers.  Friesen was third in points for forwards...with 37!  That team would've been brutal without Elias.

 

The era he played in and the teams he played for definitely weren't stat-bloaters, but as we've seen through the years, playing for a team that is more offensive-minded won't automatically correlate to bigger and better numbers.  We've seen free-agent signings and trades that seemed like slam-dunks on paper (wow, that guy could put up 90+ points for that team easily), but don't work out as planned.  Sure, if he had played in the Live Puck Era, he puts up better eye-candy numbers for sure.  I remember Live Puck well, and 30-goal scorers and guys who averaged a point-per-game were almost a dime-a-dozen.  There are multiple reasons why (people bring up smaller goalie equipment), but I can tell you that defensemen and goalies are MUCH better now than they were then.  There were some bad goalies in the 80s (just look at some highlights from that era sometime).  

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976

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Hitting 1000 career points is the key for me i feel, and even then unfortunately it could be marginal.

 

Its a shame we have had the lockouts because i have very little doubt he would already be there with the additional games he could have played.

 

He has nice numbers, and some hardware to show which will help, but its probably not enough.

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He may not get overlooked because of his standing as a leader of one of the most consistently solid playoff teams since the early 90s.  Being the greatest (non-goalie) player on one of the great franchises in hockey must count for something.  I hope.

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Triumph    645

One thing Elias may have going for him is when he retires.  If he retires in 3 years, he figures to have not much company - maybe Iginla and St. Louis will retire then as well, but I expect guys like Hossa, Thornton, and Lecavalier to have many good years left at that point.  He might sneak in between the gap - potential HOFers are hard to come by in the years around when Elias was drafted.  The 1992 draft has Gonchar and Hamrlik, both borderline guys, both probably done after this year. The 1993 draft has Chris Pronger, but his contract runs for several more years and if he retires he puts an anchor on the Flyers' salary cap, so he likely isn't eligible until 2022.  There's also Paul Kariya who retired in 2011 (iirc). The 1994 draft has Alfredsson, but he was an overager so he's nearing retirement - no one else from that draft besides Elias has a shot at the HOF.  1995 draft has Iginla and no one else.  96 draft has no HOFers.  97 has Thornton, Hossa, and maybe even Marleau (hard as that is to believe - Marleau could hit 500 goals).  St. Louis was never drafted but he would've been a 1993 pick.

 

Elias is 7th in points since the year he entered the league - the guys above him are all lock HOFers.  I dunno, it's going to be awful close.

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Daniel    375

He may not get overlooked because of his standing as a leader of one of the most consistently solid playoff teams since the early 90s.  Being the greatest (non-goalie) player on one of the great franchises in hockey must count for something.  I hope.

 

Probably third behind Stevens and Niedermeyer.

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devlman    101

Is he a HOF now? No.

 

Will he be by the time he retires?  Maybe.

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