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Summer 2013 UFA/RFA Thread

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I would include Buffalo as a potential landing spot as well. 

 

I see Schneider getting more of premium from the Devils based on what the Devils had to give up to get him.  What the exact number is, depends on what you mean by "substantially more".  If I had to guess, if the Devils make the playoffs, he has a save percentage of better than .925 and a GAA of 2.05 or less, he'll get an AAV of $7.5 million. 

 

And I think there is a better chance he gets dealt if there's no extension by the middle of next summer.  The new CBA being what it is, and the Devils being out of the woods financially speaking, he can't expect to get more money from another team, or at least not significantly more, to make it worth his while to take a chance of going another year without an extension.  If he goes that route, it's a pretty clear sign that he wants to play somewhere else.  I think Lou is done losing top players that could otherwise get you a good return for nothing. 

 

I think we, as a fanbase, need to drop the 'nobody wants to play here' thing. He has no reason to leave. He's as close as he's going to get to home, and the Devils will have the money to pay him. He knows he will be set here as the starter for as long as the contract lasts, unless Wedgewood really comes out of nowhere.

 

As for the money, he will tout those numbers if he has them, but Crawford has been a starter for a few years and just won a cup. In the end it should even out. They can start talking contract with him in January, and he can sign in July. Hopefully it doesn't even get to his UFA year.

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I think we, as a fanbase, need to drop the 'nobody wants to play here' thing. He has no reason to leave. He's as close as he's going to get to home, and the Devils will have the money to pay him. He knows he will be set here as the starter for as long as the contract lasts, unless Wedgewood really comes out of nowhere.

 

As for the money, he will tout those numbers if he has them, but Crawford has been a starter for a few years and just won a cup. In the end it should even out. They can start talking contract with him in January, and he can sign in July. Hopefully it doesn't even get to his UFA year.

 

Just to be clear, I've never bought into the "no one wants to play here" thing, and I have no idea what Schneider's thoughts are, at least not right now. 

 

What I'm saying is that money is not really an issue to the point that, theoretically anyway, the Devils could make him the highest paid goalie in hockey.  Barring an injury or a really crappy season, Lou will begin extension discussions as soon as possible, if he hasn't done so already (I think they can discuss an extension at any time), and will look to have a deal done as a early as possible.  If something isn't done by then, it's a sign that Schneider, for whatever reason, wants to play somewhere else. 

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I would include Buffalo as a potential landing spot as well. 

 

I see Schneider getting more of premium from the Devils based on what the Devils had to give up to get him.  What the exact number is, depends on what you mean by "substantially more".  If I had to guess, if the Devils make the playoffs, he has a save percentage of better than .925 and a GAA of 2.05 or less, he'll get an AAV of $7.5 million. 

 

And I think there is a better chance he gets dealt if there's no extension by the middle of next summer.  The new CBA being what it is, and the Devils being out of the woods financially speaking, he can't expect to get more money from another team, or at least not significantly more, to make it worth his while to take a chance of going another year without an extension.  If he goes that route, it's a pretty clear sign that he wants to play somewhere else.  I think Lou is done losing top players that could otherwise get you a good return for nothing. 

 

Both of these points are ridiculous.  One, you don't have any idea how long his contract will be.  8 years 7.5M would be nuts.  Second, you don't know what the market for him would be - I've suggested it won't be that great, but what if someone like the Islanders wanted to make a splash in Brooklyn?  Unlikely, but not impossible.  8 year contracts for goalies are officially batsh!t.

 

Second, the Devils would get a limited return back for Schneider if they dealt him next summer.  Who out there has goalie as their missing piece and has the room for a $4M one at that point?  And he's lost a year off his deal, which is a large part of his value.  I expect NJ to make a competitive offer but they haven't been afraid of losing top players to free agency, and Schneider is giving up some risk by signing a year early, which usually means the player gives something up as well (namely, a shot at the 'best offer').

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Both of these points are ridiculous.  One, you don't have any idea how long his contract will be.  8 years 7.5M would be nuts.  Second, you don't know what the market for him would be - I've suggested it won't be that great, but what if someone like the Islanders wanted to make a splash in Brooklyn?  Unlikely, but not impossible.  8 year contracts for goalies are officially batsh!t.

 

Second, the Devils would get a limited return back for Schneider if they dealt him next summer.  Who out there has goalie as their missing piece and has the room for a $4M one at that point?  And he's lost a year off his deal, which is a large part of his value.  I expect NJ to make a competitive offer but they haven't been afraid of losing top players to free agency, and Schneider is giving up some risk by signing a year early, which usually means the player gives something up as well (namely, a shot at the 'best offer').

 

You're right I have no idea how long the deal would be, and that's not what I was even talking about.  We're using the Crawford contract as a measuring stick.  And I think if Schneider puts up the same numbers that he did in Vancouver, he could expect to get more, probably an AAV of $1 more per year than Crawford.  So if it makes you feel better, assuming Schneider puts up the stats I mentioned above, and that the Devils make the playoffs, six years, $45 million.  As I said, he's a better goalie than Crawford, and the Devils need Schneider a lot more than the Hawks need Crawford. 

 

And in a trade before or around the start of next year, Schneider could easily get you a first round pick from a good team or a second line forward prospect, especially from a team that got bad goal tending in the playoffs.  Whether you consider that a limited return, I can't tell you. 

 

ADDENDUM:  A $7.5 million cap hit for Schneider will also make things a wash so far as total goalie cap hit, which is now $8.5 million. 

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You're right I have no idea how long the deal would be, and that's not what I was even talking about.  We're using the Crawford contract as a measuring stick.  And I think if Schneider puts up the same numbers that he did in Vancouver, he could expect to get more, probably an AAV of $1 more per year than Crawford.  So if it makes you feel better, assuming Schneider puts up the stats I mentioned above, and that the Devils make the playoffs, six years, $45 million.  As I said, he's a better goalie than Crawford, and the Devils need Schneider a lot more than the Hawks need Crawford. 

 

And in a trade before or around the start of next year, Schneider could easily get you a first round pick from a good team or a second line forward prospect, especially from a team that got bad goal tending in the playoffs.  Whether you consider that a limited return, I can't tell you. 

 

ADDENDUM:  A $7.5 million cap hit for Schneider will also make things a wash so far as total goalie cap hit, which is now $8.5 million. 

What about Schneider leads you to believe he'll get paid more though? He's not handled a true starter load yet and he's not won in the playoffs like Crawford has and undoubtedly that gets you paid more in the NHL.

If Schneider takes us to the promised land next year, then we should start thinking about whether he'll get $6+M, but until then, I think it's entirely plausible he signs for less.

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What about Schneider leads you to believe he'll get paid more though? He's not handled a true starter load yet and he's not won in the playoffs like Crawford has and undoubtedly that gets you paid more in the NHL.

If Schneider takes us to the promised land next year, then we should start thinking about whether he'll get $6+M, but until then, I think it's entirely plausible he signs for less.

 

To a large extent, it depends on how well he plays this year.  If he's putting up numbers like he did in Vancouver and the Devils are on their way to the playoffs, in my opinion anyway, that's enough of a track record to not worry about the fact he hasn't yet handled a full year as the number 1 goalie. 

 

Rask actually does not have that many more games under his belt than Schneider.  Same goes for Crawford.  True, those guys have the playoff track record that Schneider doesn't yet have.  But both Rask and Crawford were playing for better teams that won the Cup with different goalies in net the first time around. 

 

The advantage that Schneider has over Crawford is that the Devils need Schneider a lot more than the Hawks need Crawford.

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McKenzie tweeted out about Stepan wanting a similar deal to McDonagh but Sather isn't offering it. I wonder if he'll hold out.

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Tell me this doesn't get you juiced up

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TG talking about Moose and Lou, and how Moose is still looking to play but Lou has a spot for him in the organization.  I wonder what kind of spot that is?  Goaltending Scout of opposing teams? 

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TG talking about Moose and Lou, and how Moose is still looking to play but Lou has a spot for him in the organization.  I wonder what kind of spot that is?  Goaltending Scout of opposing teams? 

 

least surprising news ever.

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Tell me this doesn't get you juiced up y6ubaned.jpg

 

No it pretty much looks exactly like the last time I remember it.

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No it pretty much looks exactly like the last time I remember it.

Hey, that's better than brother's comment last night: "Looks like a typical Devils home game." :doh1:

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Hey, that's better than brother's comment last night: "Looks like a typical Devils home game." :doh1:

 

Ask your brother about how his Rangers partial plan was last year.  Oh yeah I forgot they priced him out of the arena.

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Mark Lazerus of the Chicago Sun: With getting Corey Crawfordand Niklas Hjalmarsson locked up long-term, GM Stan Bowman will look to extend Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane next summer. Both currently have two years remaining on their deals that pay them both $6.3 million per season.

 

 

i dont know why but looking at this and seeing like Ana re-signing Perry and Getzlaf early and all those other teams locking up their franchise players even before their contracts are up. I somehow feel jealous, can't put my finger on why... but i really do feel jealous

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i dont know why but looking at this and seeing like Ana re-signing Perry and Getzlaf early and all those other teams locking up their franchise players even before their contracts are up. I somehow feel jealous, can't put my finger on why... but i really do feel jealous

 

Yeah, I'd be jealous of a team that just signed lifetime .913 goalie Corey Crawford to a deal that takes him until he's 35.  Not to mention 5 years with Hjalmarsson, a player I like but who's not going to significantly outplay that contract.  And of course while NJ was contending for Cups in the late 90s early 00s, Chicago went through 10 years of being a total non-factor and NHL laughing stock, which is why they got Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews in the first place.

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I will not take the bait. I will not take the bait. I will not take... GET THE HELL OVER IT ALREADY

This. Sweet Jesus it's a broken record.

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i dont know why but looking at this and seeing like Ana re-signing Perry and Getzlaf early and all those other teams locking up their franchise players even before their contracts are up. I somehow feel jealous, can't put my finger on why... but i really do feel jealous

 

Could you be any more annoying and stupidly repetitive?   

 

For one, as much as you seem to be incapable of realizing it, there's a new CBA in place...one that gives teams a nice edge in re-signing their own players...if these rules had been in place when Parise had been a UFA, very good chance he would've still been here.  And way to keep ignoring that Lou re-signed Zajac before his contract was up, and locked up Henrique to six years when he clearly didn't have to. 

 

This crap with you all goes back to Parise and you fvcking KNOW it, even though you won't admit it...get the fvck over it already and shut up with the lame jabs at Lou!  And if you're so friggin' jealous of other teams who apparently do everything "right", go root for one of them.  You won't be missed.     

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i dont know why but looking at this and seeing like Ana re-signing Perry and Getzlaf early and all those other teams locking up their franchise players even before their contracts are up. I somehow feel jealous, can't put my finger on why... but i really do feel jealous

Could you be any more annoying and stupidly repetitive?

For one, as much as you seem to be incapable of realizing it, there's a new CBA in place...one that gives teams a nice edge in re-signing their own players...if these rules had been in place when Parise had been a UFA, very good chance he would've still been here. And way to keep ignoring that Lou re-signed Zajac before his contract was up, and locked up Henrique to six years when he clearly didn't have to.

This crap with you all goes back to Parise and you fvcking KNOW it, even though you won't admit it...get the fvck over it already and shut up with the lame jabs at Lou! And if you're so friggin' jealous of other teams who apparently do everything "right", go root for one of them. You won't be missed.

CR, you might as well get ready to read the 5 paragraph reply on why we should've traded Parise at the deadline and/or the 'Lou should have done more to sign him, he didn't do everything he could, how come Lou didn't threaten his family' response, I mean its as sure a thing as death and taxes. Edited by MadDog2020

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CR, you might as well get ready to read the 5 paragraph reply on why we should've traded Parise at the deadline and/or the 'Lou should have done more to sign him, he didn't do everything he could, how come Lou didn't threaten his family' response, I mean its as sure a thing as death and taxes.

 

Actually, it will be more along the lines of how no one understands what he REALLY means, but I don't even care how he responds anymore...no matter how nicely or thoroughly people try to explain things to SD, it all continuously goes over his head...I've just had enough.  I wish I could've taken DP26's tact...in fact, I probably should have, but eventually there's only so much one can take. 

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lol

 

edit: okay i didnt want to reply anything but i'll just say this. There's nothing that i dont "get", i simply don't agree. Most of you guys are simply a bunch of hypocrite homers who would praise anything Lou does and refuse to admit when he does thing that hurt us. 

 

You'll use what he did "right" (which i agree he did a lot) to cover what he does wrong listing a bunch of things that he did and what we won and accomplished (and ignore it) and when a rival GM does something very right you guys will brush it off just calling off the bad moves he did. I'm just not that hypocrite sorry. We see this a lot with Shero, he didnt get the results he should have lately but he did GREAT in the last few years, a lot better than Lou but yet most of you will just bash him cause he's the Pens GM. I dont like him either and the Pens but gotta give credits where its due

 

And then you'll base whats the "right" thing to do in your mind based on the way Lou does things. It's not and our lack of depth and talent on the team right now at the moment and us losing quite possibly a top pick this year is a result of all that.

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Could you be any more annoying and stupidly repetitive?   

 

For one, as much as you seem to be incapable of realizing it, there's a new CBA in place...one that gives teams a nice edge in re-signing their own players...if these rules had been in place when Parise had been a UFA, very good chance he would've still been here.  And way to keep ignoring that Lou re-signed Zajac before his contract was up, and locked up Henrique to six years when he clearly didn't have to. 

 

This crap with you all goes back to Parise and you fvcking KNOW it, even though you won't admit it...get the fvck over it already and shut up with the lame jabs at Lou!  And if you're so friggin' jealous of other teams who apparently do everything "right", go root for one of them.  You won't be missed.     

 

You should save this brilliantly true post, and just copy-paste it every time SD brings this up again.

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Parise is way, way overpaid. Let's be honest, that contract is not going to look good in a few years. It sucks he's gone, but I thought we were all happy that we wouldn't have to deal with a declining 33 year old Parise at a $7-8 million cap hit for 7 more years. It would have been worse while Kovalchuk was still in the picture.

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lol

 

edit: okay i didnt want to reply anything but i'll just say this. There's nothing that i dont "get", i simply don't agree. Most of you guys are simply a bunch of hypocrite homers who would praise anything Lou does and refuse to admit when he does thing that hurt us. 

 

You'll use what he did "right" (which i agree he did a lot) to cover what he does wrong listing a bunch of things that he did and what we won and accomplished (and ignore it) and when a rival GM does something very right you guys will brush it off just calling off the bad moves he did. I'm just not that hypocrite sorry. We see this a lot with Shero, he didnt get the results he should have lately but he did GREAT in the last few years, a lot better than Lou but yet most of you will just bash him cause he's the Pens GM. I dont like him either and the Pens but gotta give credits where its due

 

And then you'll base whats the "right" thing to do in your mind based on the way Lou does things. It's not and our lack of depth and talent on the team right now at the moment and us losing quite possibly a top pick this year is a result of all that.

 

The Devils have way more depth than the Penguins.  But go be a Penguins fan or a Blackhawks fan or any of the 10 other franchises who are in a definitely better spot than NJ.  Better yet, get ahead of the curve, be a Calgary fan, that way in 5 years you might be rooting for a winner that's really going places.

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