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Devils trade #9 pick in 2013 Draft to Vancouver for Cory Schneider

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Well put. I also think Vancouver did pretty damn well. Horvat, Shinkaruk, Cassels, and Subban.

They got all the steals at the draft, all the kids who went a few (or a lot of) picks back than maybe they should have one, nice picks by Vancouver..

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Yeah because it sounds like Luuuuuuu

 

Haha yeah this was my point, was hoping someone would pick up on it.

 

Trades of high draft picks are stunning from both sides, no one in Vancouver expected this, nor anyone in New Jersey, and I imagine each would react badly to it at first.  I know I was shocked and I was watching the draft on DVR.  

 

re:  Schneider not being the best goalie - maybe not, but he's much younger and he's really never had a bad season at any level.  Throw in that his contract isn't a nightmare and he's the guy I'd rather have.

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Haha yeah this was my point, was hoping someone would pick up on it.

 

Trades of high draft picks are stunning from both sides, no one in Vancouver expected this, nor anyone in New Jersey, and I imagine each would react badly to it at first.  I know I was shocked and I was watching the draft on DVR.  

 

re:  Schneider not being the best goalie - maybe not, but he's much younger and he's really never had a bad season at any level.  Throw in that his contract isn't a nightmare and he's the guy I'd rather have.

 

I was more stunned than anything else for the first few seconds, then quickly went into "Makes sense" mode.  Maybe it's not as sexy as drafting a potential scorer, but the Devils clearly have multiple holes to fill, and I thought Lou filled this one (which let's face it, was looking like a HUGE one) as well as could possibly be expected.  I don't know if Schneider is an exclamation point yet, but he's much much MUCH less of a question mark than everything else the Devils currently have.   

 

What makes this great is that it's potentially a set-in-stone guy for 7-8 years, maybe even a little longer (barring injury of course)...up until this deal was made, it looked like the Devils could become the Flyers in goal for the next few...bodies in, bodies out, bring in stop-gap types, hope one of the "maybe" kids gets it done for a while...

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Before the Bryzgalov debacle, the Flyers' goaltending really wasn't that bad.  A revolving door, sure, but the team made the playoffs almost every year.  I would be more than fine with that as long as the guys they were getting were decent.  There's still large risk associated with this deal - Schneider's going to need to be signed to a big contract if he's as good as he seems.  

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Schneider is probably smart.  Probably? ... he IS smart.  He's smarter than Luongo by miles.  He's proven he can shake off over-thinking too.  That is the biggest danger though, over-thinking.  I think having Marty will really help - he's got a lot of challenges but it's got to be really exciting for him.  I'd be SOOO excited if I was him - I'd want to go right into practice!  I'd have such that glow - that unrealistic feeling - like "I got it"  like every five minutes it would be re-dawning on me.  I hope he's feeling that.  It's so damm FUN!  I hope it's a great way to start his Summer - like reliving your draft even - but selected 9th the second time around.  :wub:  So much to do... think about moving. Being closer to home.  Bummed about leaving too a little. 

 

<_<  I was going to delete all that, but this is honestly how bad it is for me stepping into other peoples shoes.  it's like a horrible habit.  I go through life this way.  Can you even believe someone suggested I do it? :giggle:

 

ANYHOW - I am very deeply colored by the Vancouver fan here.  My bud was suicidal before the Torts hire.  Then after Fonzy was brought on board he just became bemused at the absurdity of it. (He was sure Gillis would HAVE to be gone after the past season).  Now... well  he hasn't replied to any of me emails.  I'm just glad football season started to take his mind off the Canuck debacle.

 

HEY -- I wrote debacle before I even saw Tri's post.  Just sayin'... :giggle:

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AND since I'm holding forth after weeks of relative silence. 

 

I'm most worried about Patty not coming back.  When I see his reactions during games and I put myself in his shoes (one day I'll let that die) I'd be mighty sick of not getting to play hockey - the hockey I know and love.  It's no the system killing patty -- it's the total lack of defence and goal.  He can't just relax and push forward without our sh!tty D looming over his head.

 

If I'm him I am just hoping a REAL team wants me in my dotage.  I do see there isn't much better out there that's really viable.  but I'd be really sick of this crap.  If I were Patty I'd want one more Cup and be kind of grumpy at the thought that it was already my turn - it's someone else's now.  Horsefeathers - now is the time and it IS his turn - like a dano or a Stevens he wants one more taste when he knows what he's got and he can sit his kid in the cup.  I mean -- when you win it twice you DO kind of think it's your right :evil:  But that's just gravey really -- mosty I think he wants to play and to teach kids how to be real forwards not just keep their mind continually on the backcheck.

 

Getting Schneider offers a real glimmer of hope for our vets.  It tells me Lou isn't out of touch, his mind is in the present, not down the line after Patty's been put out to pasture.

 

So I dont think it's the money that's the signal for his value.  It's the support he needs to really enjoy his twilight years on ice. He's a scoring forward who sacrifices a LOT personally to keep this team in the hunt.  He needs to be shown that THAT is appreciated and that the team will do mroe than it's best to give him the chance to play the game he loves, you know?  And this says that to him.  This is one of the best ways Lou can prove his appreciation for all that Patty brings - that he wants the joy of hockey for his players as much as the winning for the organization.  He's NOT at all out of touch, his hands are just really tied the majority of the time.

 

I just hope Patty sees it that way.  Mostly though - I hope Patty DOES get to play his own game again.  I'd understand if he left.  and I'd feel like a big fat loser of a team - but life goes on!!

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Maybe Schneider can't score goals, but he can sure stop them, and a whole lot better than the guys who tried to do that last season.  And he's in his prime to boot.  Hopefully, it will be Marty playing 30-35 games or so (tops) and playing well enough that he can exit the game cleanly and gracefully. 

Agreed 100% I want Corey in net for 50 games next year...

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I wonder if Vancouver wasn't up against the cap if they would of taken Volchenkov or Tallinder off of our hands.

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Another reason why this is great?

Marty gets hurt so frequently these days. Having an elite goalie like Schneider able to play all these games will be awesome.

Hopefully the breakdown goes:

Schneider- 50 games

Brodeur-32

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Put Schneider in net instead of Hedberg this season and im CONVINCED we we're making the playoffs. I still didnt have time to do it but i seriously want to go back and look at all the goals against Moose this season and im gonna throw out there that im sure 75% of them were in his 5hole, ridiculous.

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Before the Bryzgalov debacle, the Flyers' goaltending really wasn't that bad.  A revolving door, sure, but the team made the playoffs almost every year.  I would be more than fine with that as long as the guys they were getting were decent.  There's still large risk associated with this deal - Schneider's going to need to be signed to a big contract if he's as good as he seems.  

 

There's pretty much risk with everything, even the deals that seem like automatics on paper. 

 

I'm not a big fan of "revolving door" situations, not knowing what you're getting from year-to-year, even if the team manages to make the playoffs most of the time.  I don't kid myself...Brodeur-types who enjoy roughly a 16 to 17-year prime (and do it all for one team) are once-in-a-generation phenomenons.  If you find a goalie who can play consistently well for you for 5-10 years, and remain healthy for most of that time frame, you've done very well for yourself.  As it looks like Schneider has at the very least a good chance to be that kind of guy, it's impossible not to be happy about this, even with the inherent risks (like a big contract that could be bad at some point during its term). 

 

Something that gets lost on the Brodeur-bashers...never once was his contract ever a bad one, which speaks volumes as to just how consistently good he was right up until the 2010-11 season reared its fugly head.  Some may argue that the contract he's on now is bad, but that last one was as much of a lifetime achievement contract as anything else...I know Lou has hoping the Brodeur of the last 50 games or so of 2012 would show up, but I also think Lou was plenty smart enough to realize Marty might not be so good during the length of that final deal. 

 

 

Put Schneider in net instead of Hedberg this season and im CONVINCED we we're making the playoffs. I still didnt have time to do it but i seriously want to go back and look at all the goals against Moose this season and im gonna throw out there that im sure 75% of them were in his 5hole, ridiculous.

 

Hedberg finished the season with an .883 save%.  This is what is known in the current NHL as God-awful and then some.  It's hard to be worse than that. 

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Hedberg finished the season with an .883 save%.  This is what is known in the current NHL as God-awful and then some.  It's hard to be worse than that. 

 

yeah my comment was QUITE an understatement i gotta admit haha

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Another reason why this is great?

Marty gets hurt so frequently these days. Having an elite goalie like Schneider able to play all these games will be awesome.

Hopefully the breakdown goes:

Schneider- 50 games

Brodeur-32

 

im really hoping for a smooth 50-50% game split where both goalies do great and where Marty can retire on a good note. And not where Marty will be pushed to the backup job because he's playing poorly

 

Not that it really matters but it would be sad that he goes while its everywhere that "Marty got his #1 job stolen" bla bla bla. Everyone KNOWS that Schneider is clearly better at this point but for Marty's legacy i just want him to walk into the sunset with his head high and retire at the top.

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Something that gets lost on the Brodeur-bashers...never once was his contract ever a bad one, which speaks volumes as to just how consistently good he was right up until the 2010-11 season reared its fugly head.

 

I mean, no?  He had a 5.2M cap hit and was playing barely over replacement level for 2 years.  Then he had a 4.5M cap hit and didn't play over replacement level.  Hard to imagine you should have to pay more than $6M total for the goaltending Brodeur gave them, instead they paid $15M.

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Some great quotes here from Lou

 

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/comments/lamoriello_on_schneider_were_getting_a_goaltender_not_only_of_the_present_but_of_the_future/

 

 

 

He also mentions that they will be announcing some FA signings "soon".  Additionally, TG said Elias doesn't want any of his negotiation details in the meadia, which would explain why we've heard absolutely nothing.

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im really hoping for a smooth 50-50% game split where both goalies do great and where Marty can retire on a good note. And not where Marty will be pushed to the backup job because he's playing poorly

 

Not that it really matters but it would be sad that he goes while its everywhere that "Marty got his #1 job stolen" bla bla bla. Everyone KNOWS that Schneider is clearly better at this point but for Marty's legacy i just want him to walk into the sunset with his head high and retire at the top.

 

From the sounds of it they are going to let them try to outplay each other, which could work out great for us. I really hope Marty sees the writing on the wall. 

 

In that article I posted from TG, Lou also says he will speak to Hedberg today.

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I mean, no?  He had a 5.2M cap hit and was playing barely over replacement level for 2 years.  Then he had a 4.5M cap hit and didn't play over replacement level.  Hard to imagine you should have to pay more than $6M total for the goaltending Brodeur gave them, instead they paid $15M.

 

You're ignoring the Vezina years where he was making $5.2m

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I mean, no?  He had a 5.2M cap hit and was playing barely over replacement level for 2 years.  Then he had a 4.5M cap hit and didn't play over replacement level.  Hard to imagine you should have to pay more than $6M total for the goaltending Brodeur gave them, instead they paid $15M.

 

The only rough seasons I consider him having are 2010-11 and beyond, and in 2012, he played pretty well for the final 50 games or so (including playoffs)...about a .920 save%...unfortunately, fans have been lumping '10-'13 as all bad lately.  From '93-'94 to '09-'10, I don't see where you can say he was a bad value.   

 

You're being a bit too forensic on this one.  For a good portion of his prior contract (6 years), he was still very much Marty, and played well for a fair portion of the final year of his deal (2011-2012).  Even in 2010-11 he played pretty well from 12/29 on.     

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You're ignoring the Vezina years where he was making $5.2m

 

His last contract before his final one was for 6 years and $31.2 million.  It began in 2006-07.

 

'06-'07, '07-'08, and '09-'10 were typical Marty years.  He won the Vezina in 2007 and 2008

'08-'09 was injury-shortened, but when he did play he was same old Marty for most of it. 

'10-'11 and '11-'12 were inconsistent, but he was also getting up there in age and especially in games played by that point. 

 

C'mon Tri, did you really think that every single year was going to represent awesome value on that contract?  Overall I don't think you can argue that that this 6-year deal could be considered lousy from a cost standpoint. 

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You're ignoring the Vezina years where he was making $5.2m

 

$5.2M was not a huge bargain in those days.  Brodeur won the Vezina in 2006-07 when the salary cap was $44M - a comparable goalie would be paid 7.59M in 2013-14 dollars and we know this coming year's cap is artificially low, so that number should likely be revised upwards a bit.  That still represents value, both given how much and how well Brodeur played, but it's not a steal.

 

In all, I think yeah the deal paid for itself, but let's stop cutting up years like that's a meaningful division - the end result was that Brodeur's numbers were not good on the final 2 years of the deal.  NJ paid for those bargain years in the later years.

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Reaction video to the trade announcement:

 

 

 

 

I know I went nuts lol

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