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So who's delaying the signing Lou or Henrique? I think Henrique and his agent.

 

According to Henrique, they spoke last week and they are deciding between a long or short term deal.

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According to Henrique, they spoke last week and they are deciding between a long or short term deal.

 

Dan, that was my point Lou isn't deciding, instead Henrique and his agent are deciding should they take a short term deal or a long term one.

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According to Henrique, they spoke last week and they are deciding between a long or short term deal.

 

I'm hoping it's a 4-5 year deal personally. Henrique could very well be the future of the franchise (besides Larsson) it should be important that he is locked up long term.

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Dan, that was my point Lou isn't deciding, instead Henrique and his agent are deciding should they take a short term deal or a long term one.

 

They are negotiating... Lou most likely offered them a longer deal that would eat up some UFA time, and a shorter one for less money. Henrique wants the cash but doesn't want to miss lose UFA years. What is Lou supposed to decide there? Choosing between 2 offers doesn't mean you have any leverage. 

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According to Henrique, they spoke last week and they are deciding between a long or short term deal.

 

I'm hoping it's a 4-5 year deal personally. Henrique could very well be the future of the franchise (besides Larsson) it should be important that he is locked up long term.

I agree Mazz, I think 4-5 years would be perfect for Henrique.

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What's the deadline to signing Henrique?

2 weeks ago.

Only kidding, there is no real deadline.

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If no contract is signed, this can't go to arbitration due to the deadline to file passing right?

 

So if he is not signed, Henrique can just hold out?

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If no contract is signed, this can't go to arbitration due to the deadline to file passing right?

 

So if he is not signed, Henrique can just hold out?

Pretty much. It's sign a deal or hold out and don't play.

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So um .... Hey what's going on....... A deal was supposed to be close twice.

This situation reminds me of a quote from the movie Snatch.

Turkish: How long with the sausages Charlie?

Charlie: 2 minutes Turkish.

(A few minutes pass)

Turkish :What's happening with them sausages, Charlie?

Charlie: Five minutes, Turkish.

Turkish :It was two minutes five minutes ago!!!!!

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Sign him long term lets fvckin go here Lou Christ

 

There's 2 sides to a negotiation. Henrique himself said he and his agent were weighing a short and long term deal. RFA's take longer to sign. There's much less of a deadline to worry about and much less leverage.

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Sign him long term lets fvckin go here Lou Christ

I get the logic there, but we don't actually know how good he is yet. He wasn't projected THAT high, had 1 very good season and 1 disappointing season. I know you want to avoid the Zach situation, but there's something to be said for taking your time to evaluate a guy before committing a ton of time to him, especially with the cap.

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The fact that he proved to be "clutch" during the playoff run is also a reason I'd like to see him locked up as well.

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It an advantage for Lou to sign him to a short term deal but Lou doesn't like the price. Lou wants the long term price for a short term deal. Another team would have to offer $4.5 to steal him but what team would offer that for an unknown?

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I'm completely fascinated by americans and their interpretation of players having some (to me, seemingly random) playoff scoring success as proof of some innate intangible attribute known as "being clutch". Equally, a couple of bad games in the playoff also means that an otherwise proven elite player can be called a "choker" and useless.

I'm sure there are elements of playoffs games and the way they are played that can benefit a certain type of player, but it really seems like you guys blow the stats from these few games way out of proportion.

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I'm completely fascinated by americans and their interpretation of players having some (to me, seemingly random) playoff scoring success as proof of some innate intangible attribute known as "being clutch". Equally, a couple of bad games in the playoff also means that an otherwise proven elite player can be called a "choker" and useless. I'm sure there are elements of playoffs games and the way they are played that can benefit a certain type of player, but it really seems like you guys blow the stats from these few games way out of proportion.

 

How is this an American phenomenon?  Most of the GMs in the league are Canadian, and I hear those GMs and Canadian fans talk about someone's playoff success or lack thereof. 

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How is this an American phenomenon?  Most of the GMs in the league are Canadian, and I hear those GMs and Canadian fans talk about someone's playoff success or lack thereof. 

 

Sorry, north american. :P

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Sorry, north american. :P

 

Don't know much about sports fans outside of North America, but judging by the absolute lunacy of lots of European soccer fans, I have to guess that belief in "clutchness" crosses all culturual lines.

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Don't know much about sports fans outside of North America, but judging by the absolute lunacy of lots of European soccer fans, I have to guess that belief in "clutchness" crosses all culturual lines.

 

European soccer leagues (besides the Champions league, which is a super-tournament) aren't decided by a playoff system, so I imagine that there's much less talk of being clutch.  I don't know where the clutch narrative has come from - I want to say baseball - but njdevsftw is right, it is awfully weird.

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European soccer leagues (besides the Champions league, which is a super-tournament) aren't decided by a playoff system, so I imagine that there's much less talk of being clutch.  I don't know where the clutch narrative has come from - I want to say baseball - but njdevsftw is right, it is awfully weird.

 

Can say from experience that Italians hated Baggio for missing that PK at the World Cup.  I guess that counts.

 

The clutch narrative comes from the fact that gettomg wrapped up in professional sports is an irrational activity to begin with.   When you realize that otherwise intelligent people can spend much of their disposable income on watching people they don't know play a game, belief in clutchness shouldn't be that surprising a phenomenon.

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"Clutchness" is not a factor in sports debates here (in Europe) at all. Some of soccers greatest players have missed important penalty shots.. Baggio, Zico, Platini, Raul, Beckham, Ronaldo.. but that never translates into a debate over whether or not they, specifically, are more prone to crumble under pressure then others. (As a sidenote, the soccer World Cup and Champion League penalty shootouts seem to make everyone extremely nervous and non-clutch. :P )

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