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Kovalchuk Retired Effective Immediately?

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The more you read, the more Kovalchuk comes off looking like a total snake.  The guy is complaining that the Devils weren't competitive, but in the meantime, part of the reason for that was the huge commitment he insisted on.  Worst of all, he's obviously planning his return when he'll be a UFA, leaving the Devils further in a lurch. 

 

No the Devils aren't blameless in this whole thing.  And who knows, maybe there was some sort of understanding at the outset that there could be a mutually beneficial separation at a time when both parties could wash their hands of this without much pain for either side -- the Devils getting out of the financial committment without an enormous cap hit, in exchange for not putting up a fight for Kovalchuk to play in the KHL.  

 

I get it, it's a business.  But there is the idea of doing right by your employer if it doesn't cost you that much.  He could have gotten just as much money to play for one less year n the KHL, at which time he could have come back to either play for the Devils, or give the Devils an opportunity to get something in return in a trade.   

 

In the end though, I really hope the stat nerds here are correct that the Devils are still a playoff team without him.  A championship, which is possible for any team when the playoffs start, would be the best revenge of all.  If Schneider is as good as he's supposed to be, and it's all about puck possession, corsi, etc., a Cup is a distinct possiblity if everything goes right.

 

The Devils wouldn't've gotten anything in a trade for Kovalchuk.  He's got a giant contract that has all sorts of cap recapture issues.  Mid-market and floor teams wouldn't want it because of the salary, and big-money teams wouldn't want it because of the onerous cap recapture.  Basically if you traded it the best you could do is getting another rotten contract.

 

Let him come back when he's 35, how good do you really think he's going to be at that point?  He already is at best a break even player 5 on 5.

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Not mad at Kovy, nor was I ever.. really. What I was (and still am a little, to a lesser degree) was sad and disappointed. I was sad Ilya was not honoring his commitment that he agreed on. What I HOPE going forward, is that this whole fiasco will deter GM’s\Owners from wanting to lock-up players for 10+ years. When Kovy signed the 17 year contract to stay in NJ, he was 26 years old. It’s difficult enough for anyone to make that kind of decision to play anywhere, let alone a 26 year old kid. Granted at 26 you are an adult, and obviously capable of making long-term decisions. But I gotta believe this may’ve been a whole lot simpler, if we’re talking about a 6 year deal, instead of a lifetime contract. Imagine how much easier this may have been for Lou (or any GM for that matter) to try and talk Kovy into staying, if there’d have been 2 more years remaining on his contract.. as opposed to 11. Don’t get me wrong, this sucks bigtime! However, as much as I may want to get angry at Kovalchuk, I can’t kill a guy for having a change of heart. --and who the hell knows.. he may one day very well return to this organization.

 

EDIT: This is a little OT, but whatever. imo, if you have a Kovalchuk jersey, wear it! If you don't want to, that's certainly your right. But if you spent hard earned money on a jersey of a player you thought would spend his whole career here, and you're on the fence.. wear it! When stuff like this happens, it is completely unfair to the fan. (unless they have that type of disposable income to just go buy another jersey) But to a kid that may have saved up for a Kovy jersey.. or got it as a birthday\christmas present, and still may wants wear it to games.. they should be able to wear it without being heckled by drunken a$$hole fans. The Devils\Kovy saga may not have ended well, but for 4 seasons there were happy moments.

 

Re the jerseys, I'm pretty sure they can change the name without much of a problem, although you're apparently stuck with the number.  I'm waiting to see when a quality player ends up taking 9 to switch out Parise. 

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The Devils wouldn't've gotten anything in a trade for Kovalchuk.  He's got a giant contract that has all sorts of cap recapture issues.  Mid-market and floor teams wouldn't want it because of the salary, and big-money teams wouldn't want it because of the onerous cap recapture.  Basically if you traded it the best you could do is getting another rotten contract.

 

Let him come back when he's 35, how good do you really think he's going to be at that point?  He already is at best a break even player 5 on 5.

 

I meant in a trade when he would come back.  If a fossilized Jagr can get you a first round pick and then some, Kovy at 34, when he doesn't have the wear and tear on him, should get you something decent.  It wouldn't be a kings ransom of the Lindros variety, but, barring some career ending injury, he ought to get you something.

 

ADDENDUM:  There will always be plenty of GMs that will go on the name and reputation alone.  I would venture a guess many more do that, than "break even player on 5 on 5".

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I meant in a trade when he would come back.  If a fossilized Jagr can get you a first round pick and then some, Kovy at 34, when he doesn't have the wear and tear on him, should get you something decent.  It wouldn't be a kings ransom of the Lindros variety, but, barring some career ending injury, he ought to get you something.

 

ADDENDUM:  There will always be plenty of GMs that will go on the name and reputation alone.  I would venture a guess many more do that, than "break even player on 5 on 5".

 

Jagr, again, had marvelous results and it was a conditional 1st round pick.  

 

Plenty of NHL GMs stayed away from Kovalchuk in 2010 and that was before he was thought to be a threat to run to Russia.  I'm really not sure how a team justifies trading anything of significance for the right to sign Ilya Kovalchuk in 2018-19 when he's been out of the NHL for several years.

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Re the jerseys, I'm pretty sure they can change the name without much of a problem, although you're apparently stuck with the number.  I'm waiting to see when a quality player ends up taking 9 to switch out Parise. 

 

A lot of times when you re-do a jersey, since even the stitched jerseys are initially glued down before they are sewn-on there are usually glue residue or shadows of the numbers left behind.  Unless you are just swapping out the nameplate you might run into this problem.  The best number to change to for 17 is probably 12 but we won't know who has that number either. 

Also changing the nameplates for the glued-on NHL.com crappy customization is actually not an issue, but unless you get it professionally done jerseys done by companies like EPS it is a pain in the ass to strip.  Better to get that professionally done too.

 

Also I can not and will not heckle anyone who wears a Kovy jersey to the arena.  Up until a few days ago Kovy was the safest bet along with Elias and Brodeur in terms of keeping your jersey relevent and cannot blame those who invested in it thinking Kovy was going to stay here for a long time.  If you are heckling someone wearing a Kovy jersey you should be punched in the face.

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I find the Kovalchuk women's honesty refreshing.  We could use more of that in sports rather than the usual, overtired cliches.

 

Doesn't come off as very classy though, on their part.  I'm sure Lou has plenty he could say, but he's not. 

 

Not mad at Kovy, nor was I ever.. really. What I was (and still am a little, to a lesser degree) was sad and disappointed. I was sad Ilya was not honoring his commitment that he agreed on. What I HOPE going forward, is that this whole fiasco will deter GM’s\Owners from wanting to lock-up players for 10+ years. When Kovy signed the 17 year contract to stay in NJ, he was 26 years old. It’s difficult enough for anyone to make that kind of decision to play anywhere, let alone a 26 year old kid. Granted at 26 you are an adult, and obviously capable of making long-term decisions. But I gotta believe this may’ve been a whole lot simpler, if we’re talking about a 6 year deal, instead of a lifetime contract. Imagine how much easier this may have been for Lou (or any GM for that matter) to try and talk Kovy into staying, if there’d have been 2 more years remaining on his contract.. as opposed to 11. Don’t get me wrong, this sucks bigtime! However, as much as I may want to get angry at Kovalchuk, I can’t kill a guy for having a change of heart. --and who the hell knows.. he may one day very well return to this organization.

 

EDIT: This is a little OT, but whatever. imo, if you have a Kovalchuk jersey, wear it! If you don't want to, that's certainly your right. But if you spent hard earned money on a jersey of a player you thought would spend his whole career here, and you're on the fence.. wear it! When stuff like this happens, it is completely unfair to the fan. (unless they have that type of disposable income to just go buy another jersey) But to a kid that may have saved up for a Kovy jersey.. or got it as a birthday\christmas present, and still may wants wear it to games.. they should be able to wear it without being heckled by drunken a$$hole fans. The Devils\Kovy saga may not have ended well, but for 4 seasons there were happy moments.

 

Kovy was 27 years old when he signed his mega-deal...may seem like nitpicking, but a fact nonetheless.

 

In bold:  NHL UFAs are now restricted to 7-year deals if they go to another team, and can get an 8-year deal if they stay with their current team.  No more 9+ year deals in the NHL. 

 

Your point on the Kovy jersey is a fair one...I would hope Devils fans would understand that buying a jersey for some people is a big deal and a serious financial investment, or might be a gift that means more to them than the name and number on it, and not everyone can just afford to throw out/burn up/trash a jersey to make a statement.  The logo on the front is what matters.   

 

I don't know how the Devils could ever welcome Kovy back...I think some fans might be willing to try to understand why he did what he did, but I think he is somewhere between strongly disliked and outright hated by just about ALL of the Devils fanbase.  Even though what he did was clearly the right thing for HIM, that doesn't mean the fans will ever forgive and forget.  He let a lot of people down...I don't know if he cares about that or not, but he can't possibly be oblivious to that. 

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Jagr, again, had marvelous results and it was a conditional 1st round pick.  

 

Plenty of NHL GMs stayed away from Kovalchuk in 2010 and that was before he was thought to be a threat to run to Russia.  I'm really not sure how a team justifies trading anything of significance for the right to sign Ilya Kovalchuk in 2018-19 when he's been out of the NHL for several years.

 

They stayed away from signing him in 2010 because it meant a huge committment for a long period of time.  It had nothing to do with anyone doubting his abilities.  And in any event, the Kings were willing to give him a nice piece of coin.  He obviously would not be getting the same deal on any return to the NHL, which would actually make him much more attractive. 

 

And the league's perception of Jagr's performance last year is obviously different from yours since he remains unsigned. 

 

Also to give you other past-their-time players that yielded great returns for a few months of service were Brendan Morrow and Iginla. 

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  If you are heckling someone wearing a Kovy jersey you should be punched in the face.

 

Brass knuckles might be a good investment then, since that'll probably happen a lot.

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They stayed away from signing him in 2010 because it meant a huge committment for a long period of time.  It had nothing to do with anyone doubting his abilities.  And in any event, the Kings were willing to give him a nice piece of coin.  He obviously would not be getting the same deal on any return to the NHL, which would actually make him much more attractive. 

 

And the league's perception of Jagr's performance last year is obviously different from yours since he remains unsigned. 

 

Also to give you other past-their-time players that yielded great returns for a few months of service were Brendan Morrow and Iginla. 

 

Jagr had marvelous results before he was traded.  He was scoring at a 30 goal pace.  That's what I was referring to.  Morrow was awful in the playoffs with a Sestito-esque shot rate and is still unsigned.  Iginla was also bad but performed well on the power play.

 

Whatever, I'm not going to sweat about the 3rd round pick in 2018 or 2019 that the Devils are losing by not having exclusive negotiation rights or whatever they'd get.

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Jagr had marvelous results before he was traded.  He was scoring at a 30 goal pace.  That's what I was referring to.  Morrow was awful in the playoffs with a Sestito-esque shot rate and is still unsigned.  Iginla was also bad but performed well on the power play.

 

Whatever, I'm not going to sweat about the 3rd round pick in 2018 or 2019 that the Devils are losing by not having exclusive negotiation rights or whatever they'd get.

 

I think it would be a lot more than a third round pick. What teams are willing to give up for past-their-prime rentals, is an indication that teams would give up something useful for a younger Kovalchuk that they would presmuably be able to sign on a three year deal with a salary cap that could very well be at $90 million. 

 

And it wouldn't be exclusive negotiating rights like you have in two weeks before free agency. 

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A lot of times when you re-do a jersey, since even the stitched jerseys are initially glued down before they are sewn-on there are usually glue residue or shadows of the numbers left behind.  Unless you are just swapping out the nameplate you might run into this problem.  The best number to change to for 17 is probably 12 but we won't know who has that number either. 

Also changing the nameplates for the glued-on NHL.com crappy customization is actually not an issue, but unless you get it professionally done jerseys done by companies like EPS it is a pain in the ass to strip.  Better to get that professionally done too.

 

Also I can not and will not heckle anyone who wears a Kovy jersey to the arena.  Up until a few days ago Kovy was the safest bet along with Elias and Brodeur in terms of keeping your jersey relevent and cannot blame those who invested in it thinking Kovy was going to stay here for a long time.  If you are heckling someone wearing a Kovy jersey you should be punched in the face.

I don't think I'll ever heckle another fan, especially over something like what jersey they're wearing lol

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I think it would be a lot more than a third round pick. What teams are willing to give up for past-their-prime rentals, is an indication that teams would give up something useful for a younger Kovalchuk that they would presmuably be able to sign on a three year deal with a salary cap that could very well be at $90 million. 

 

And it wouldn't be exclusive negotiating rights like you have in two weeks before free agency. 

 

There is an enormous difference between a rental, which is taking in a proven player for less money than you would otherwise have to pay him, and trading for the rights of an older player.  The point is you wouldn't have any idea whether or not you could actually sign him, even if he said he'd sign with your team.

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I don't think I'll ever heckle another fan, especially over something like what jersey they're wearing lol

This past season I saw fans at the rock give sh!t to other fans who had parise jerseys on.

I can only imagine the abuse those who dare wear a kovy jersey. Those wearing a kovy Russian lockout jersey should might as well stay home as I fear for their safety.

These people spent good money and should be left alone. They had no clue kovy would pull this sort of crap.

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EDIT: This is a little OT, but whatever. imo, if you have a Kovalchuk jersey, wear it! If you don't want to, that's certainly your right. But if you spent hard earned money on a jersey of a player you thought would spend his whole career here, and you're on the fence.. wear it! When stuff like this happens, it is completely unfair to the fan. (unless they have that type of disposable income to just go buy another jersey) But to a kid that may have saved up for a Kovy jersey.. or got it as a birthday\christmas present, and still may wants wear it to games.. they should be able to wear it without being heckled by drunken a$$hole fans. The Devils\Kovy saga may not have ended well, but for 4 seasons there were happy moments.

I wouldn't wear a Kovalchuk jersey (thankfully I don't have one), but I would never heckle a Devils' fan for having one. I'll heckle opposing team fans, though I try to keep it at least somewhat good natured.

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There is an enormous difference between a rental, which is taking in a proven player for less money than you would otherwise have to pay him, and trading for the rights of an older player.  The point is you wouldn't have any idea whether or not you could actually sign him, even if he said he'd sign with your team.

 

That could be worked out ahead of time.  It's really not that much different from a player with a no-trade telling you the teams he's willing to be traded to.

 

It's really a moot point though, so no sense in discussing it further.

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Some more comments, this time from the man himself:

 

 

http://nhl.si.com/2013/07/15/ilya-kovalchuk-speaks-out-im-sure-i-made-the-right-decision/

 

Love the subtle "shut the hell up" he dropped towards his sister and mom:

“I love my mother and sister very much. Everyone can have their opinion. But I’m going to Russia [to play], not to think about how to get back to the NHL.”

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ya, Im pissed because you think you have a top NHL forward and poof he's gone but at this stage Im more concerned with how we move forward.

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i just dont want to watch russia to win gold in sochi.

 

ovi / malkin / kovy 

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I don't think I'll ever heckle another fan, especially over something like what jersey they're wearing lol

 

You'd be surprised at the number of asshoIe fans we have.

..quick story; During the 2009 season when Shanny returned to the Devils, my buddy got himself his jersey. Brendan's jersey number was #18 that year. I sh!t you not, he caught crap from 2 different jerk-off's (who couldn't have been older than 20) during the night of the Florida game.. because; "THAT NUMBER'S SARGE'S!" I doubt they realized that; A. Shanahan spent 5 seasons in New Jersey. -&- B. Who really gives a fvck?! :noclue:

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You'd be surprised at the number of asshoIe fans we have.

..quick story; During the 2009 season when Shanny returned to the Devils, my buddy got himself his jersey. Brendan's jersey number was #18 that year. I sh!t you not, he caught crap from 2 different jerk-off's (who couldn't have been older than 20) during the night of the Florida game.. because; "THAT NUMBER'S SARGE'S!" I doubt they realized that; A. Shanahan spent 5 seasons in New Jersey. -&- B. Who really gives a fvck?! :noclue:

 

I'll def believe that.

 

In my post last week about the Stephane Richer signing last month at Sports Minded, there were 18-21 year olds in the line asking who "Richer" was to their parents or older siblings (while pronouncing it as Richer like I have more money and therefore "richer" than you).

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Shanny wore #11 during his first go-round with the Devils, but seems silly that anyone would give somebody wearing a #18 Shanahan jersey crap for doing so.  Seems pretty weak.

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Shanny wore #11 during his first go-round with the Devils, but seems silly that anyone would give somebody wearing a #18 Shanahan jersey crap for doing so.  Seems pretty weak.

 

And I bet no one in 99-2000 season gave people crap for wearing John Madden's jersey while saying it is Dave Barr's or Shanahan's jersey.

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I'll def believe that.

 

In my post last week about the Stephane Richer signing last month at Sports Minded, there were 18-21 year olds in the line asking who "Richer" was to their parents or older siblings (while pronouncing it as Richer like I have more money and therefore "richer" than you).

 

In fairness, if they were 18-21, then they were born in 1992-1995...they completely missed out on Richer's good days with the Devils, and might have faint memories of Richer's 13-game run here in 2002 (reg season and playoffs).  Unless they become dedicated historians of the franchise, or have a relative or older friends that can educate them, I can't expect those fans to know all that much about Stephane Richer.   

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Some more comments, this time from the man himself:

 

 

http://nhl.si.com/2013/07/15/ilya-kovalchuk-speaks-out-im-sure-i-made-the-right-decision/

 

Love the subtle "shut the hell up" he dropped towards his sister and mom:

 

 

This article is quite telling.  I like Kovy's professionalism here.  But, from his intonation, I really think he left to escape NJ.  It wasn't about the money.  He just didn't like the direction NJ was going.

 

Losing Parise and Clarkson set him off.

 

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