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shooTOut success or lack thereof?

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We are 0-8 in shootout attempts this year thus far...that's pretty pathetic and troubling, especially if we expect those extra points to boost our playoff chances.

 

Can't we change the formula?  Perhaps have someone like Harrold or even Gionta shoot instead of the typical failures?

 

What do you think...

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On all goals against in the shootout the opponent lifted the puck. The Devils should try that.

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I think theres no real shootout capable talent on the team which is why its so damn bad. Everyone is just down right horrible when it comes to the shootout its a guaranteed loss

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Shootouts are a weird animal and I think our best group would be Elias, Henrique and Teneby (who we never see on the ice again). Brunner looks ok but I like the idea of having Elias start then maybe Brunner next or vice versus and then Henrique who seems to have pretty strong lateral moves.

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I would get Clowe off the shootout. I don't know if he's had success in the past when he was  younger. But he's big and lumbering and is not fooling anybody

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It's funny/sad to watch this team go from one of the best in the shootouts to one of the worst in just a few short seasons.

 

I posted this in the GDT, but I'll repeat it here.  This team went from..

 

1.  Kovalchuk   2.  Parise   3.  Elias/Clarkson/Zajac

 

to

 

1.  Brunner      2.  Clowe    3.  Elias/Zajac

 

I'd say that's an A to a C+, maybe.  And Brodeur's gotten worse as well.  Can't expect to win many skill contests without offensively skilled forwards.

 

Is Clowe good in the shootout or something?  Am I missing somthing - why is he shooting over Henrique and Zajac, and before Elias?

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Elias can not be in the shootout anymore until he finds another move. The wide right and swoop in is as predictable as the stop that's coming. I remember being at a few games where he skated straight in picked a spot and scored. I was at the game at MSG where he beat Henrik glove side and won it. 

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I'd remove Patty from that group.  He's been using that same move for 20 years.  The goalies don't even strain putting that left pad down to stop it.  Face it, they have no moves at all

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Elias can not be in the shootout anymore until he finds another move. The wide right and swoop in is as predictable as the stop that's coming. I remember being at a few games where he skated straight in picked a spot and scored. I was at the game at MSG where he beat Henrik glove side and won it. 

 

mmm...that was a sweet one.

 

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1. Brunner  2. Loktionov  3. Zidlicky or Ryder

 

I know you may think I'm crazy but Zidlicky's got a nice wrister.

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what i'd say is that we don't know how those guys look in practice. Clowe could be 10/10 in practice for all we know. The coaches knows. 

 

We got pretty lucky having Kovalchuk who was almost a sure shot goal (and we lost everytime he missed) and we had Zach who was really really really good too (of course most people here focus on the few missed in a row he got later in on season to convinced themselves that he was sh!t since he left) 

 

but fact is we have guys who "can" get the job done they are just not doing it.  Even Henrique on his penalty shot couldnt get it, so thats 0/9

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I'd like to see Ryder, Henrique or Zajac to be given a shot over Clowe. Ryder especially.

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Ryder has had lots of chances in his career and is NOT good in the shootout for whatever reason.

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I wouldnt use Clowe, BUT  he has like an over 40% success rate....which is way beyond anyone else on the team....but he looks weak so far.

 

here's who I would use: 

Kovi

Kozlov

Zach

Gionta (Brian that is)

 

oh shoot...they're all gone

nevermind

 

Make them win it in OT someway...somehow

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Can't we get rid of the shootout. I don't think anything pisses me off more than watching a shootout. I'd rather they just make the two captains of the team play that year's NHL game to see who wins.

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I wouldnt use Clowe, BUT  he has like an over 40% success rate....which is way beyond anyone else on the team....but he looks weak so far.

 

here's who I would use: 

Kovi

Kozlov

Zach

Gionta (Brian that is)

 

oh shoot...they're all gone

nevermind

 

Make them win it in OT someway...somehow

LOL LOLLL

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I would get Clowe off the shootout. I don't know if he's had success in the past when he was  younger. But he's big and lumbering and is not fooling anybody

 

He's like 38% which is very good actually.

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He's like 38% which is very good actually.

it was over 40% when he got here...but choked twice already

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what i'd say is that we don't know how those guys look in practice. Clowe could be 10/10 in practice for all we know. The coaches knows. 

 

We got pretty lucky having Kovalchuk who was almost a sure shot goal (and we lost everytime he missed) and we had Zach who was really really really good too (of course most people here focus on the few missed in a row he got later in on season to convinced themselves that he was sh!t since he left) 

 

but fact is we have guys who "can" get the job done they are just not doing it.  Even Henrique on his penalty shot couldnt get it, so thats 0/9

 

Parise is a 46% career guy and Kovy is a 39% career guy.

 

Elias and Clowe are both 37% guys.

 

So just comparing those 4 guys, it's not like the Devils had slam dunk goal getters before and the 1 less goal every 20 attempts is the reason things are bad.  We, as Devils fans, are probably just sensitive to this because the Devils were on the good luck side of the shootout in the early years and now we're on the bad luck end of it.

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Clowe, Elias and Zajac percentagewise are really the best they have.  Plus Brunner who's like 2-9 including 0-2 this year, not a huge size sample though.  There's nothing they can do short of dragging Viktor Kozlov across the pond or get him from whatever the heck he's doing now and having him be a designated specialist.

 

They better at least be practicing the shootout this year though, I know Pete was loath to do it the last couple years but there's not much choice now.

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Is there any evidence that practicing the shootout makes teams better at it?  I would imagine no.  Seems like a classic coach move to practice it unnecessarily.

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Is there any evidence that practicing the shootout makes teams better at it?  I would imagine no.  Seems like a classic coach move to practice it unnecessarily.

 

Would give you an idea of some guys that may be better at it than others.   Not something I would be doing every week, though.   Seems like something you can do in camp as a "fun" exercise.   Or gas the players that miss.   Either way.

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Would give you an idea of some guys that may be better at it than others.   Not something I would be doing every week, though.   Seems like something you can do in camp as a "fun" exercise.   Or gas the players that miss.   Either way.

I'm sure they do breakaway drills and penalty shot simulations ...which are almost the same as a shootout attempt

and I bet some players do it on their own before or after practices

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