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lol ouch...make sure before you go next time Marty's playing, then maybe you'll see an actual goal :P

 

Check that, I forgot the first game for you was the Flyer game where Marty did play - oy vey.  Maybe you should get her into soccer, most soccer teams score more than the Devils :lol:

 

Yeah, the fun keeps on comin'. 

 

Funny re: the soccer comment...that's what it felt like at times. 

 

I calmed down during the drive home, but I was plenty pissed when the game first ended.  This team can be so friggin' aggravating to watch at times.   

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Can't imagine how the Devils can't score. I mean, we have Peter Harrold on the PP, you'd think we'd be a scoring machine. I just don't get DeBoer. Team is winning = change the lineup. Team gets shut out = same lineup tomorrow. It's ludicrous. 

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The most depressing thing for me tonight was the empty seats in the upper levels, especially the corners where the tickets used to be more affordable. Despite our bad attendance through the years, the seats up top were always filled, with the fans who are the loudest and bring the most energy. The lack of energy in the building tonight didn't do what a home crowd should do. I know they didn't score to get us into the game, but we didn't give them any energy, that's for sure. It was the most dead and empty I have ever seen a Devils game on a Friday night. I am truly sad after what I saw tonight. For example, 226 and 215 were completely empty. Tickets were going for $50 for these sections on ticketmaster. Some of you are saying that Devils fans are spoiled, but we don't have the type of fan base for this pricing model. It's been an epic failure so far. To see that many empty seats upstairs (not even going to comment on how empty the club seats were) was just truly disheartening.  They need to find out a way to fill the building again, and it starts with mass emailing ticket deals and getting rid of this horrendous new pricing structure. 

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This loss doesn't bother me a whole lot. But it doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

The most depressing thing for me tonight was the empty seats in the upper levels, especially the corners where the tickets used to be more affordable. Despite our bad attendance through the years, the seats up top were always filled, with the fans who are the loudest and bring the most energy. The lack of energy in the building tonight didn't do what a home crowd should do. I know they didn't score to get us into the game, but we didn't give them any energy, that's for sure. It was the most dead and empty I have ever seen a Devils game on a Friday night. I am truly sad after what I saw tonight. For example, 226 and 215 were completely empty. Tickets were going for $50 for these sections on ticketmaster. Some of you are saying that Devils fans are spoiled, but we don't have the type of fan base for this pricing model. It's been an epic failure so far. To see that many empty seats upstairs (not even going to comment on how empty the club seats were) was just truly disheartening.  They need to find out a way to fill the building again, and it starts with mass emailing ticket deals and getting rid of this horrendous new pricing structure.

I'm really starting to hate management. How can you seriously let the building get like this? Our arena should never have fewer than 15,000 people in it.

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Really felt for Cory tonight.

 

I know the Devils did look good at times tonight...but goddammit, I swear this bunch can really set back hockey at times...they were unwatchable for roughly half the game...looked like a bunch of disorganized discombobulated clowns. 

 

That's now 120 minutes of live Devils hockey I've subjected my daughter to.  I dream of the day she gets to see the Devils score one fvcking goal.  Just one.

Schneider in 9 starts: 1-5-3, 1.98 GAA, .918 SV%

 

I saw a lot of tweets during the game mentioning how boring this game was. Sad thing was that by 2013-14 Devils standards, this was one of the more exciting ones in my opinion - not that they've set the bar that high. That 14 shot game vs Philly was one of the most boring games I recall watching in my life and I started watching in 1994.

 

Hopefully the Devils do better next time you take your daughter. It's bound to happen at some point, right?

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Power play needs fixing, otherwise NJ's game was fine.  They broke even in scoring chances with LA, LA got the bounce, and NJ didn't.  Some games it will be the opposite (like, say, on Tuesday against the Rangers)

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The most depressing thing for me tonight was the empty seats in the upper levels, especially the corners where the tickets used to be more affordable. Despite our bad attendance through the years, the seats up top were always filled, with the fans who are the loudest and bring the most energy. The lack of energy in the building tonight didn't do what a home crowd should do. I know they didn't score to get us into the game, but we didn't give them any energy, that's for sure. It was the most dead and empty I have ever seen a Devils game on a Friday night. I am truly sad after what I saw tonight. For example, 226 and 215 were completely empty. Tickets were going for $50 for these sections on ticketmaster. Some of you are saying that Devils fans are spoiled, but we don't have the type of fan base for this pricing model. It's been an epic failure so far. To see that many empty seats upstairs (not even going to comment on how empty the club seats were) was just truly disheartening.  They need to find out a way to fill the building again, and it starts with mass emailing ticket deals and getting rid of this horrendous new pricing structure. 

 

It starts by not thinking they're high brow entertainment for upper middle class Bergen and Essex familes.   They shot themselves in the foot and the product isn't exactly helping.

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Power play needs fixing, otherwise NJ's game was fine.  They broke even in scoring chances with LA, LA got the bounce, and NJ didn't.  Some games it will be the opposite (like, say, on Tuesday against the Rangers)

 

for every 1 game that goes our way, 5 don't. That's not a winning formula

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for every 1 game that goes our way, 5 don't. That's not a winning formula

 

Only because the Devils haven't been able to win a shootout.  That too is subject to chance.

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Guys calm down. Who cares if we have no one scoring goals? At least were not overpaying guys who could do it now but be stuck with bad contracts in 7 years, lets focus on that.

And im doing this thing right?

But seriously this game could have been ours, their goal was a goal that will go in one times out of 10 and we could have scored one like that too it just didnt happened. Lets move on to tomorrow, pittsburgh would be just as fun to win

You're literally the single most annoying broken record on the board right now. And that's saying a lot.

It's a shame, you used to be a really interesting poster to read, I looked forward to your insight. Then you got slapped in the face with a negative salami and now you're you.

Pity.

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You're literally the single most annoying broken record on the board right now. And that's saying a lot.

It's a shame, you used to be a really interesting poster to read, I looked forward to your insight. Then you got slapped in the face with a negative salami and now you're you.

Pity.

 

oh shut the fvck up you privileged little sh!t

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I've seen a lot of comments on twitter and here suggesting that Brodeur's superior puck handling is a big reason for his goal support versus Schneider's. No doubt there is a huge difference between the two in terms of puck handling ability but I don't think it really is enough of a difference to affect their goal support totals.

 

In Schneider's 9 starts the Devils have a Corsi For% of 52.0% and Fenwick For% of 51.3%. In Brodeur's 10 starts the Devils have a Corsi For% of 51.4% and Fenwick For% of 51.0%. There is really no difference in terms of shot attempts on net with either goalie playing. In terms of shots on goal per game, the Devils average roughly 24 in support of Schneider and 25 in support of Brodeur so there is once again little difference.

 

The big difference lies in SH%. As a team the Devils are shooting at 7.8% this year. When Brodeur is on the ice they are shooting 10.2%, while when Schneider is on the ice they are shooting 4.5%. That is an unsustainable percentage. In terms of G w/ 9 GP+, Brodeur's teammates SH% is the 5th highest in the NHL while Schneider's teammates SH% is the lowest. The goal support is due to come for Schneider.

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The attendance was also disgusting. 12,168.

This team would have to pay me in order to show up to a game with that line up they put on the ice.

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For all the crap we hear about CORSI shmorsi the devils are due to do blah blah there shooting percentage will get better, they're going to score a goal blah blah

 

In their last 31 games dating back to last season they've been shut out NINE TIMES  9!!! How is that statistically possible. 

 

These advanced stat fanatics seem to be ignorant of the fact that a shot is not a shot. Volchenkov dumping the puck on goal from the redline counts as a shot just as much as when Stamkos fires it from inside the faceoff circles. They both count as a shot, even though they have infinitely different success rate probabilities. 

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These advanced stat fanatics seem to be ignorant of the fact that a shot is not a shot. Volchenkov dumping the puck on goal from the redline counts as a shot just as much as when Stamkos fires it from inside the faceoff circles. They both count as a shot, even though they have infinitely different success rate probabilities. 

 

It's easy to find differences between the extremes. 

 

There is a strong relation between shot differential and scoring chance differential. Doubt it all you want. It doesn't guarantee goals and wins, but it hints that yeah, it's a lot more likely than if you go the other way. 

 

Daniel Wagner (http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/03/12/why-advanced-statistics-approaches-hockey-completely-wrong-but-still-gets-things-right/) :

 

 

 

A forward might take a low-percentage shot from the outside, hoping for a rebound that will create a better scoring chance. A defenceman will sometimes throw the puck at the net while under pressure simply to keep the play alive. A fourth liner will shoot the puck as soon as he crosses the opponent’s blue line in order to create an offensive zone faceoff for his team’s top line. A top-six forward will optimistically shoot from a bad angle at the end of his shift after not being able to create a better scoring chance.The pursuit of shot quality will inevitably lead to shot quantity.

 

A good read: http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/6/26/shot-quality-revisited-a-look-at-the-correlation-between-scoring-chances-and-shot-totals

 

TL;DR version:

Scoring%20chances%20vs%20Fenwick.PNG

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It's easy to find differences between the extremes. 

 

Extremes emphasize the point, that doesn't mean it's any less valid. It can easily be argued that the Devils, now without Parise and Kovy, lack top tier NHL talent. Especially when it comes to goalscoring prowess and creativity.  They've consistently had problems scoring goals for a couple of years now, it's hard to find any other reasons then lack of skill.

 

Preseason I thought adding Jagr, Ryder and Brunner would make up for loosing Kovy, and that Clowe would likely be a wash for Clarkson.. I guess the jury is still out. Hopefully this is a just case of the new guys still trying to fit in to the team and find their place in the system.. At least we've seen some progress lately..

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They were able to get into the Kings' zone just fine in the first period without a goalie leading the charge. It's not an excuse. They are just putrid offensively, and I'm being generous.

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I'm not dismissing the advanced stats, I'm sure they give a very good indication, in general. However, I don't understand how anyone can suggest that the skill of the shooter doesn't matter. To me that's just absurd, no matter how many stats and charts you have to back it up.

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Schneider in 9 starts: 1-5-3, 1.98 GAA, .918 SV%

 

I saw a lot of tweets during the game mentioning how boring this game was. Sad thing was that by 2013-14 Devils standards, this was one of the more exciting ones in my opinion - not that they've set the bar that high. That 14 shot game vs Philly was one of the most boring games I recall watching in my life and I started watching in 1994.

 

Hopefully the Devils do better next time you take your daughter. It's bound to happen at some point, right?

 

It felt like two different games to me...a good chunk of it was frustrating and hard on the eyes.  But it the grand scheme, the Devils were really a break or two away from getting at least a point. 

 

The 14-shot Philly trainwreck was about as lifeless as it got.

 

So far, my daughter's been to four games:

 

2-1 win against Dallas (she was only two then...game was pretty bad, but at least they won)

5-2 loss to the Pens (retro game...she was three)

1-0 loss to the Flyers

2-0 loss to the Kings

 

I keep telling her how fun and exciting hockey can be, and how Daddy's been watching it for almost 30 years.  Suffice it to say the Devils aren't really helping me to build my case...she started falling asleep in the third period, and though I know that part of that was because it was past her bedtime, I also know if the Devils were winning or at least putting some pucks in the net, she would've been more lively for sure.  I just wish I could've taken her during the wins against the Rangers or Predators...I want her to see what it's like not only when the Devils score a friggin' goal, but when there's real life in the building, and everyone's not pissed off and frustrated. 

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It's important that Schnieder demand a trade to either Pittsburg or Chicago so he can at least salvage a .500 W/L total.

Feel terrible for the guy.

Maybe the Devils can get some scorers for him.

Scoring wins games..I think. I can't remember anymore.

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I've seen a lot of comments on twitter and here suggesting that Brodeur's superior puck handling is a big reason for his goal support versus Schneider's. No doubt there is a huge difference between the two in terms of puck handling ability but I don't think it really is enough of a difference to affect their goal support totals.

 

In Schneider's 9 starts the Devils have a Corsi For% of 52.0% and Fenwick For% of 51.3%. In Brodeur's 10 starts the Devils have a Corsi For% of 51.4% and Fenwick For% of 51.0%. There is really no difference in terms of shot attempts on net with either goalie playing. In terms of shots on goal per game, the Devils average roughly 24 in support of Schneider and 25 in support of Brodeur so there is once again little difference.

 

The big difference lies in SH%. As a team the Devils are shooting at 7.8% this year. When Brodeur is on the ice they are shooting 10.2%, while when Schneider is on the ice they are shooting 4.5%. That is an unsustainable percentage. In terms of G w/ 9 GP+, Brodeur's teammates SH% is the 5th highest in the NHL while Schneider's teammates SH% is the lowest. The goal support is due to come for Schneider.

 

Yeah, rotten luck for Schneider, it won't remain THIS bad.  But I could see him having a full season of overall rotten luck, especially since this team looks like it will be inconsistent offensively at best.  Could see Cory finishing with a record right around NHL-.500.

 

I don't worry about him wanting off the Devils yet though.  Simply too early in his Devil career to do that.

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I'm not dismissing the advanced stats, I'm sure they give a very good indication, in general. However, I don't understand how anyone can suggest that the skill of the shooter doesn't matter. To me that's just absurd, no matter how many stats and charts you have to back it up.

This is true...you need quality not just quantity, it's one reason we suck so bad in crunch time / O.T. and shootouts.  Without a few real goal scorer's you can pepper the opposing goalie all you want.....with little success.

Check some of the box scores from other games, a team will be out shot 9-3 in a period yet have a 1 or 2 goal lead....quality my friend....quality

the proof is in the pudding....not the stats

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You're literally the single most annoying broken record on the board right now. And that's saying a lot.

It's a shame, you used to be a really interesting poster to read, I looked forward to your insight. Then you got slapped in the face with a negative salami and now you're you.

Pity.

 

You know when you're arguing with your gf for days about something lets say that she never lock the doors at night but she's always saying. "Bahhhh its fine nobody is gonna try to get in here, relax."

 

So once you're both standing there in the living room looking at no tv, no nothing and listening to your dog whining cause he got raped and the place is trashed... you know that feeling of wanting to point out that you told her this would happen.

 

Well I was the one annoyed as fvck by all the denials that "we'd be perfectly fine" back then and people calling me out. So let me have my moments here please. I know i'm coming off negative at times about some stuff but its not as if i'm wrong either. 

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