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The Official 2014 Trade Deadline Thread

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Hard to defend?  It's ONE fvcking move lol.  Jesus Christ.  I think Ruutu for Loktionov straight up was fair, so I am a little disappointed that we had to throw in a 3rd rounder, but holy sh!t everyone needs to reach far up into their twats and try to untwist those panties.  I don't know how some of you make it through life.

 

I assume the third rounder (conditional) kicks in only if they don't re-sign him.

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If you don't like the trade as a whole, I can understand that.  But if you look specifically at the player we picked up, it's a guy we could really use.  Moulson and Vanek got piss poor returns, but there's also 28 other teams that missed out on those opportunities as well.

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Vanek to Montreal in exchange for a 2nd round pick and a prospect- lebrun

You say no doubt would've wanted larsson or Henrique?? What part of that Vanek return says larsson or henrique?

Because that's all we have and there's such a huge drop-off from those types of guys compared to the rest of our roster which is basically littered with 35+ guys and/or 3rd line journeymen.  Is anyone going to be interested in Zubrus?  Or Clowe with a glass head?  Or Brunner who is unproven and injury prone too?   Or Jagr who is a bull this year but can't deny that he's 42.  So yeah, while the Vanek return wasn't a lot, if they were talking to us, those names would have come up.

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from Chere twitter: when it was suggested the devils didn't get a goal scorer, lou pointed out ruutu scored 26 goals in 2008-09 and said, "he's a scorer". 

 

for fvck's sake lou. do you still watch games on a black and white TV?!

 

i'm very tempted to post lou's cell phone number to you all which i assure you 100% i have.

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I'd much rather have Loktionov than Ruutu. He is not what the Devils needed at all.

 

Lou remembers him from 2009. 

 

This isn't overreacting. This isn't people begging for a deadline scorer like Vanek or Moulson and being disappointed what they didn't get. It's being disappointed with the make up of the roster for a while now, and not addressing any issues that have been going on for two years now, and actually making them worse. 

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You're missing what most people are saying.  No one is really lamenting not getting Vanek or Moulson, and I think most people would've been OK with nothing at all, because you are right, we don't want to see those prospects traded for rentals.  No one was really looking for big returns for Sal or Volch types either. 

 

But this move is a hard one to digest, and I usually look for reasons to defend Lou's moves (I can usually at least see and understand his "why"s).  It's really hard to make a case for how this is going to improve the team.  At least now it's been revealed that the Devils aren't on the full hook for Ruutu's salary.  

 

He improves the team because he's physical.  We don't have enough physical forwards.  Also look at the guy who he's replacing.  I like Loktionov a lot.  But Ruutu will chip in more offense, and help more on the forecheck.  He's basically a 40 point player.  Carolina has also taken on some salary as well.

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Hard to defend?  It's ONE fvcking move lol.  Jesus Christ.  I think Ruutu for Loktionov straight up was fair, so I am a little disappointed that we had to throw in a 3rd rounder, but holy sh!t everyone needs to reach far up into their twats and try to untwist those panties.  I don't know how some of you make it through life.

 

Newbie, you've been here for what, 5 minutes?  I've always been a huge Lou supporter in the past on this board and very rarely criticize him, and admittedly I'm starting to catch my breath again, but I still don't like this move, and quite a few other level-headed posters here don't like it either.     

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I've come to realize that after every loss you need to give the board a few hours to get the bitching out of its system. The same can be said now, It's just inevitable. That's not to say that some people can't rationally disagree or be down on the team or particular move, but it's just best to ignore posts that say "zomg Lou need to be fired!"

Welcome to the board, hope you stick around cuz we need more levelheadedness around here.

Haha, yeah I understand.  I like to think I have thick skin (and some have said a thick skull, we're all human lol), so I won't let it scare me away just yet.  Thanks for the welcome.

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Collectively, way too much complaining on here, sooo sorry that you guys had your butts hurt by this deadline.  Yeah, a lot of great players were on the move today.  Yeah Lou didn't do very much and doesn't get a very good grade for this deadline at all, BUT Ruutu is still a serviceable scorer, an effective two-way player and he had a good Olympics.  You're all complaining that young guys aren't getting playing time, but with no Loki, that a possible all in on developing Josefson.  I'm confident with Ruutu and happy with the pickup.  However, I do agree that we needed to free up some space on defense.

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Except when he got Schneider, except when he gave up virtually nothing of value for Kovy (the penalty is another issue), except when he got a useful piece in Poni for nothing, except when he got Zidlicky for not too much, except when he let Clarkson be the Leafs problem and got a pretty useful player in Clowe instead.

 

I don't love the Rutuu deal, but it isn't a calamity.  The much bigger problem is that Sal and Volchenkov are still here.  But even that isn't so horrible.  As much as it stinks to have Larsson in the minors, at this stage in his career, he is likely not the difference between a playoff spot. 

 

Very true.  But it is doubtful anyone would take Volchenkov's contract and there probably wasn't any market for Sal either.  It is very possible that he tried to trade 1 of these guys, but had no takers even for a bag of pucks.  Short of waiving 1 of them and paying a ridiculous amount for them to play in the minors, they are here for the foreseeable future. 

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Except when he got Schneider, except when he gave up virtually nothing of value for Kovy (the penalty is another issue), except when he got a useful piece in Poni for nothing, except when he got Zidlicky for not too much, except when he let Clarkson be the Leafs problem and got a pretty useful player in Clowe instead.

 

I don't love the Rutuu deal, but it isn't a calamity.  The much bigger problem is that Sal and Volchenkov are still here.  But even that isn't so horrible.  As much as it stinks to have Larsson in the minors, at this stage in his career, he is likely not the difference between a playoff spot. 

 

No, he isn't - the use of Brodeur for 30 games versus 10-15 games is, though.  The trouble is that old players used to be too expensive for Lou, and so he would only retain the guys he could.  Now that they aren't, he just doesn't really understand that age isn't just a number.  Ruutu is an okay player but him at $4M for the next 2 years stinks.  It stinks because there will be 5 guys better than Ruutu who are signed for less onerous money going forward.  It stinks because it's one guy ahead of Matteau, who while not looking like a great player by any stretch, needs to be in the NHL in 2015-16 (otherwise he's on waivers).  I just don't think that Loktionov for Ruutu is an upgrade and when you consider the money it's even less of one.  Then you go and you look at how Ruutu's done in his career against NJ - oh really, he's done exceptionally well?  What a surprise.  I HATE seen-him-good moves and the Devils have made a few too many of these lately.

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I'd much rather have Loktionov than Ruutu. He is not what the Devils needed at all.

 

Lou remembers him from 2009. 

 

This isn't overreacting. This isn't people begging for a deadline scorer like Vanek or Moulson and being disappointed what they didn't get. It's being disappointed with the make up of the roster for a while now, and not addressing any issues that have been going on for two years now, and actually making them worse. 

 

Ruutu is what we needed actually.  You guys are definitely overreacting imo.  We're a better team today than we were yesterday.  Our forecheck is now better because of this trade.

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I assume the third rounder (conditional) kicks in only if they don't re-sign him.

 

We don't know what the condition of the third-rounder is, and we don't know how much salary Carolina retained.  Both of those kind of impact how I feel about this deal...I just think the overall mindset of going old and slow throughout the lineup is pretty alarming.  You need speed and skill, maybe to an extent Lou realizes we're not going to get enough speed and skill to compete with the Pens/Hawks so now we're trying to muck and grind teams into submission but that only goes so far.  Especially with an ancient Jagr being your only scorer.  Even lousy teams like the Jets that have speed and little else skate circles around us.

 

And yeah that quote about Ruutu being a scorer is scary.  I'm surprised he didn't bring in Johnathan Cheechoo while he was at it.

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Except when he got Schneider, except when he gave up virtually nothing of value for Kovy (the penalty is another issue), except when he got a useful piece in Poni for nothing, except when he got Zidlicky for not too much, except when he let Clarkson be the Leafs problem and got a pretty useful player in Clowe instead.

 

I don't love the Rutuu deal, but it isn't a calamity.  The much bigger problem is that Sal and Volchenkov are still here.  But even that isn't so horrible.  As much as it stinks to have Larsson in the minors, at this stage in his career, he is likely not the difference between a playoff spot. 

 

the deals you brought up aren't what i'm talking about.

 

clowe's been acceptable but that deal is going to be a trainwreck and you know it.

the salvador contract - no defense for it (pun intended)

up against the cap in '07 because of bad roster construction

8 d-men

 

just not thinking about the whole picture. 

he doesn't do it every time, obviously. he just does it way too much for my liking.

 

 

"hello Jagr... aaaawkwaaard !  " 

 

wrong ruutu

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I'd much rather have Loktionov than Ruutu. He is not what the Devils needed at all.

 

Lou remembers him from 2009. 

 

This isn't overreacting. This isn't people begging for a deadline scorer like Vanek or Moulson and being disappointed what they didn't get. It's being disappointed with the make up of the roster for a while now, and not addressing any issues that have been going on for two years now, and actually making them worse. 

Bringing in Kovalcuk wasn't addressing the issue?  I've been a Devils fan for nearly 25+ years, since I was a kid, and throughout that whole time I have lived (and loved) our defense-first system.  Having a guy like Brodeur in net that you culd count on night in and night out was so reassuring and we didn't have to worry about scoring a ton of goals, which is why we never had huge names and guys leading the league in those categories.  Over the past decade or so as we lost our big name defensive stalwarts and as Marty has aged, without finding those precious d-men and running the same system, it became apparent, and a big frustrating, that we needed to finally get some big name scorers.  I'll never forget the day we won the "Kovalchuk sweepstakes".  For 20 years I watched trade deadlines, NHL entry drafts, and post seasons go by without seemingly any semblance of this team bringing in a bonafide scorer.  I couldn't believe we got a guy who had scored 400 some goals, was still in his prime, and locked him up for more than a decade.  All the while when other teams were also vying for him.  It was great. 

 

Not to mention the sudden departure of him, losing Parise in the same span, and what does Lou do?  His best to rebuild, but adding guys like Brunner, Ryder, Jagr, Clowe.  It's not an overnight process.  No one has a crystal ball, and there's this thing called chemistry that needs to work itself out.  Not often do you throw guys together and see them immediately gel.

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I'm actually alright with the trade we made and the way the day went. 

 

I think we're better with Ruutu than Loktionov and a 3rd rounder isn't much of a price to pay. Not sure what the condition is on the pick though.

 

As for his cap hit of 4.5... It's not my money so I don't care as long as we're under the cap. We have guys who will be retiring soon and that cap space will be cleared as soon as Marty is off the books.

 

Other than the Rangers getting St. Louis, no one else we are chasing for a playoff spot made a move that could make them significantly better. (I guess Montreal is still within range technically)

 

There was no way the Devils were going to revamp their roster in one day. This is an ageing, veteran team that can at best limp into the playoffs and hope to get hot. There was no way any one player was going to change that.

 

Volch and Salvador will have to play better, or be bought out/traded by the time this team is legit good. Getting rid of them today isn't the difference between us winning or losing right now.

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Newbie, you've been here for what, 5 minutes?  I've always been a huge Lou supporter in the past on this board and very rarely criticize him, and admittedly I'm starting to catch my breath again, but I still don't like this move, and quite a few other level-headed posters here don't like it either.     

 

There are level headed posters who like this deal.

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He improves the team because he's physical.  We don't have enough physical forwards.  Also look at the guy who he's replacing.  I like Loktionov a lot.  But Ruutu will chip in more offense, and help more on the forecheck.  He's basically a 40 point player.  Carolina has also taken on some salary as well.

 

Admit it, you type that to get a reaction. Because if you are serious, that is absolutely silly.

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The Devils traded for the forward version of the defenseman they have been trying unsuccessfuly to trade (Volchenkov). Hilarious.

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Admit it, you type that to get a reaction. Because if you are serious, that is absolutely silly.

Is it really silly? Do you see the hit counts in our games? We don't hit alot. We battle for pucks, so sure were physical in that regard, but we don't really beat up on the other team enough. I for once agree with mike in a sense. We aren't a very physical team.

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the deals you brought up aren't what i'm talking about.

 

clowe's been acceptable but that deal is going to be a trainwreck and you know it.

the salvador contract - no defense for it (pun intended)

up against the cap in '07 because of bad roster construction

8 d-men

 

just not thinking about the whole picture. 

he doesn't do it every time, obviously. he just does it way too much for my liking.

 

Yes this. 

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There are level headed posters who like this deal.

 

Have you MET any of them yet?  Sorry, I couldn't resist that little joke. 

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No, he isn't - the use of Brodeur for 30 games versus 10-15 games is, though.  The trouble is that old players used to be too expensive for Lou, and so he would only retain the guys he could.  Now that they aren't, he just doesn't really understand that age isn't just a number.  Ruutu is an okay player but him at $4M for the next 2 years stinks.  It stinks because there will be 5 guys better than Ruutu who are signed for less onerous money going forward.  It stinks because it's one guy ahead of Matteau, who while not looking like a great player by any stretch, needs to be in the NHL in 2015-16 (otherwise he's on waivers).  I just don't think that Loktionov for Ruutu is an upgrade and when you consider the money it's even less of one.  Then you go and you look at how Ruutu's done in his career against NJ - oh really, he's done exceptionally well?  What a surprise.  I HATE seen-him-good moves and the Devils have made a few too many of these lately.

 

The use of Brodeur is another issue.  And we don't know whether that's Deboer's or Lou's doing, or perhaps both.  Giving him a two year deal, after a SCF run was not totally unreasonable. 

 

So far as his salary, we don't know yet what Carolina is picking up.  And again, the salary is not really the issue, it's the player logjam, which occurs whether or not the Devils are actually paying him a dime.   And my guess is that Matteau eventually gets the spot where Bernier or Carter is, so I don't think Rutuu gums up the works so much as that's concerned.

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Except when he got Schneider, except when he gave up virtually nothing of value for Kovy (the penalty is another issue), except when he got a useful piece in Poni for nothing, except when he got Zidlicky for not too much, except when he let Clarkson be the Leafs problem and got a pretty useful player in Clowe instead.

 

I don't love the Rutuu deal, but it isn't a calamity.  The much bigger problem is that Sal and Volchenkov are still here.  But even that isn't so horrible.  As much as it stinks to have Larsson in the minors, at this stage in his career, he is likely not the difference between a playoff spot. 

 

And what happens next year when we re-sign Zidlicky, re-sign Fayne and don't buy out Sal or Volch?  Lou hasn't shown any inclination ever to alleviate the logjam and after his admission that last year having eight was a distraction, it's worse now.

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He improves the team because he's physical.  We don't have enough physical forwards.  Also look at the guy who he's replacing.  I like Loktionov a lot.  But Ruutu will chip in more offense, and help more on the forecheck.  He's basically a 40 point player.  Carolina has also taken on some salary as well.

 

this notion that the devils aren't physical enough is fvcking bullsh!t. what, do they think that they're missing clarkson's sandpaper from last year and that's the problem with this year's team? 

 

if by physical, they mean "borderline dirty", pests who go the extra mile to hit a guy after he made a pass "to let them know you're there", then get the fvck out of this league. that's just not what this league is about. 

 

the devils team that was aggressive and on detroit players a lot last night is the kind of "physical" that you need in the nhl now. henrique and zajac don't rock people, but they are doggedly agreesive checkers that get the puck turned over a lot. i'd much rather that than an "in your face" player that is good at face-washing a guy.

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