Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
SMantzas

The Official 2014 Trade Deadline Thread

1,327 posts in this topic

Not saying one way is right or wrong, but it sure is better when you get this kind of information from a GM after the deadline.

 

Here is an interview with Bryan Murray, where he pretty much gives Sens fans all the information they'd want to know. Worth listening to for the contrast between him and Lou.

 

http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/186/20235/mar5-bryan-murray-drive.mp3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't see what is bad about starting Marty. It isn't a sign the DeBoer thinks he is as good as Schneider (as we all know he isn't even close). DeBoer has been playing the goalie who wins, there was a time he even played Hedberg over Marty for that reason. It isn't about stats at all: right now the goalie with whom the team is performing better for gets the call. Marty had a really bad game outside and guess what?: He sat healthy for probably the longest period in his career. 

 

Hey, I'd like to see Schneider in net 90% of the time - sometimes Marty can't stop a beach ball. However, we've won with Marty in net more times than we have won with Cory in net this season. So, no matter why that is, it's perfectly legitimate to play Marty because despite the stats, the Devils are coming out with wins.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 Larsson's likely going to rot in Albany for the rest of the season, 

 

FWIW I don't think it's doing him any bad, but he sure as sh!t would be of more use in NJ than in Albany.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Even when Marty himself said Cory was the guy publicly early this year, Pete wouldn't go along with that assessment.

That statement by Marty was to setup a win win situation for himself. He never believed what he said.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

FWIW I don't think it's doing him any bad, but he sure as sh!t would be of more use in NJ than in Albany.

He won't get any worse playing in Albany but he also won't get any better he needs to be upgraded to a higher level of competition like the NHL.

Edited by LucifersDog

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't see what is bad about starting Marty. It isn't a sign the DeBoer thinks he is as good as Schneider (as we all know he isn't even close). DeBoer has been playing the goalie who wins, there was a time he even played Hedberg over Marty for that reason. It isn't about stats at all: right now the goalie with whom the team is performing better for gets the call. Marty had a really bad game outside and guess what?: He sat healthy for probably the longest period in his career. 

 

Hey, I'd like to see Schneider in net 90% of the time - sometimes Marty can't stop a beach ball. However, we've won with Marty in net more times than we have won with Cory in net this season. So, no matter why that is, it's perfectly legitimate to play Marty because despite the stats, the Devils are coming out with wins.

Based on this statement Marty should start Friday. I don't believe that I didn't think he should have started Tuesdays game it was too risky but he did and we were lucky that Detroit scored a goal for us while Marty allowed at least one softie.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Always nice to have a night to sleep on this stuff.

 

Re:  Ruutu, in some ways it's like the Devils got him for nothing.  Loktionov wasn't going to be here after this year anyway.  Maybe he turns into something for someone else, but the guess here is he'll continue to show why he was taken in the 5th round, if he's even in the NHL next season.  The fact is that if you really show something and force yourself to be noticed, teams will find a way to get you in the lineup, or at the very least, in more significant roles.  He opened some eyes with that 7 goal, 4 assist burst in his first 18 GP as a Devil, but he hadn't done much since (13 points in his last 58 GP).  Maybe the simple fact is the reason Loki never really made a name for himself here or in LA is that he's simply not very good and hasn't really progressed much.  As for a conditional 2017 3rd-rounder, I can't worry about a mid-round pick that's several seasons away.  I'm guessing the reason it's so far off is that it's contigent on Ruutu re-signing with the Devils?  Anyway, the pick isn't really a big deal.

 

As for Ruutu himself, he's not a sexy player and his salary is not great, but at least the 'Canes are on the hook for 20% of the cash he has coming to him.  Hopefully his low shooting% is due for some positive regression.  But I've moved from the "WTF?!" camp to the "OK, doesn't look great at first glance, but let's give it a chance" group.  I like that he at least can get a practice or two in with his new teammates. 

 

The fact that the defensive logjam hasn't been alleviated is frustrating.  At first, I was surprised that Lou couldn't get Carolina to take a bad contract back, but Carolina was clearly looking to shed salary and not do a wash, so I guess it's safe to say Carolina wasn't taking salary back.  I'm guessing unless Loki shows them a hell of a lot, they'll just let him walk.  I don't think the 'Canes cared much about what they were getting back, I think they were just looking to get some coin off their cap for the offseason.  Loki's #1 appeal to them was probably the fact that his contract was expiring and cheap to boot.  I don't think they were trying to nab a prospect.

 

Re:  Marty...the ball is really in his court now.  No matter what happens between now and the end of the season, unless he rips the Devils organization or the fans, I think whatever bad feelings some Devils fans are currently having towards him will subside...if Devils fans can get past Scott Niedermayer leaving their team to go win a Cup with someone else, they can get past anything.  For all the "Greedermayer", "Needmybrother", and "Mamma's Boy" hatred that came his way just after and during his Ducks career, people got over it, and were willing to celebrate his number retirement without issue...most truly embraced the event, and him as a result.  All Marty really has to do is the following and he'll be fine:

 

1)  Act like you're 100% happy to still be a Devil, even if you're not.  Say some things to that effect. 

 

2)  No talk about playing time (or lack thereof) or playing next season.  No one wants to hear that from a declining .899 save% 41-year-old, especially when the other guy is clearly much better.  The less you say about this, the less guys like PDB and Lou and teammates and others have to look bad saying things and singing praises that just about every Devils fan knows are horsesh!t.  If fans know you're not terribly good anymore, you can bet that everyone else does too, even if they don't dare say it. 

 

3)  For the remaining 19 games of this season, be a good soldier.  You WILL get some games, probably more than you deserve.  You won't be put out to pasture.  Make the most of them.   

 

4)  Please retire at the end of this year.  Don't Messier your way into making the Devils keep you around for one last season when every last sign points to you being finished.  Don't make the NHL force you to retire.  Do it on your terms, as a Devil, end of this season, gracefully.                

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976
2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CR76 I agree, but with Marty, and I hope he proves me wrong, is that he shuts his mouth and accepts his new role and that's it. I can't have him play another year. I just am a disgusted at these legacy starts. I really feel, also, that Marty will play tomorrow night in Detroit.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't see what is bad about starting Marty. It isn't a sign the DeBoer thinks he is as good as Schneider (as we all know he isn't even close). DeBoer has been playing the goalie who wins, there was a time he even played Hedberg over Marty for that reason. It isn't about stats at all: right now the goalie with whom the team is performing better for gets the call. Marty had a really bad game outside and guess what?: He sat healthy for probably the longest period in his career. 

 

Hey, I'd like to see Schneider in net 90% of the time - sometimes Marty can't stop a beach ball. However, we've won with Marty in net more times than we have won with Cory in net this season. So, no matter why that is, it's perfectly legitimate to play Marty because despite the stats, the Devils are coming out with wins.

 

There is no time 'ever' DeBoer went with a healthy Hedberg over Marty for a multi-game stretch.  Marty was hurt early in '11-12 for about three weeks, that's the only reason why his and Hedberg's GP were so close into January.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Marty is going to play a little bit going forward. He has to, we need a backup to start a little. I'm fine with that, but you have to be really selective. Try to keep it against weaker teams on home-ice.

 

And btw, F the league for all these back-to-backs.

 

Marty's rest of the season should look like this:

 

@Florida 3/14

Florida 3/31

Carolina 4/5

 

Depending on the playoff race if he plays against the Isles or Senators. If we're in the playoffs, play him against Boston to end the season. I swear to god if we need that Boston game to get in and they play Marty, I'd flip out.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Cory should play tmrw and Marty should play Saturday. (Mostly because I'm going Saturday and I want to enjoy these last Marty games before he retires)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well said CR76- I was really taken aback yesterday by how many people were upset that Marty wasn't moved. Everything about the situation has been hearsay so far... Nothing Marty or anyone else in the lockerroom has said publicly thus far can be construed in any way as being divisive or hurting the team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Re:  Marty...the ball is really in his court now.  No matter what happens between now and the end of the season, unless he rips the Devils organization or the fans, I think whatever bad feelings some Devils fans are currently having towards him will subside...if Devils fans can get past Scott Niedermayer leaving their team to go win a Cup with someone else, they can get past anything.  For all the "Greedermayer", "Needmybrother", and "Mamma's Boy" hatred that came his way just after and during his Ducks career, people got over it, and were willing to celebrate his number retirement without issue...most truly embraced the event, and him as a result.  All Marty really has to do is the following and he'll be fine:

 

1)  Act like you're 100% happy to still be a Devil, even if you're not.  Say some things to that effect. 

 

2)  No talk about playing time (or lack thereof) or playing next season.  No one wants to hear that from a declining .899 save% 41-year-old, especially when the other guy is clearly much better.  The less you say about this, the less guys like PDB and Lou and teammates and others have to look bad saying things and singing praises that just about every Devils fan knows are horsesh!t.  If fans know you're not terribly good anymore, you can bet that everyone else does too, even if they don't dare say it. 

 

3)  For the remaining 19 games of this season, be a good soldier.  You WILL get some games, probably more than you deserve.  You won't be put out to pasture.  Make the most of them.   

 

4)  Please retire at the end of this year.  Don't Messier your way into making the Devils keep you around for one last season when every last sign points to you being finished.  Don't make the NHL force you to retire.  Do it on your terms, as a Devil, end of this season, gracefully.                

 

I agree with everything you say but there is one huge difference between him and Niedermayer.  Scott was never a detriment to the team and acted like a true professional throughout.  I know there were some early season hold outs earlier in his career but that was still when Lou ruled with a iron fist.  I always felt like he did nothing but help us win games and was never a distraction.   The rules were set that at a certain age, he became a UFA and he decided to go somewhere else.  I have no problem with that.  I had a bigger problem with the fact that it took years for Lou to adequately replace him.   You can argue he never did.     

 

With Marty, it has been nothing but wanting more playing time and doing what is best for him over the last 6 months.  I don't think the guy owes me anything personally but as a Devils fan, I find it sickening to see the way he's treating the organization that has done just as much, if not more for him, than he as he has done for them.  Hopefully, yesterday was a wake up call to him about his true value and he'll keep his mouth shut for the rest of the season and be the good soldier but who knows.  I know I've lost a ton of respect for the guy and it's going to be an even tougher pill to swallow if we miss the playoff by a point or two.     

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Marty is going to play a little bit going forward. He has to, we need a backup to start a little. I'm fine with that, but you have to be really selective. Try to keep it against weaker teams on home-ice.

 

And btw, F the league for all these back-to-backs.

 

Marty's rest of the season should look like this:

 

@Florida 3/14

Florida 3/31

Carolina 4/5

 

Depending on the playoff race if he plays against the Isles or Senators. If we're in the playoffs, play him against Boston to end the season. I swear to god if we need that Boston game to get in and they play Marty, I'd flip out.

 

Everyone keeps saying this, but we don't actually. Brodeur would regularly start 75+ games, and even when Brodeur went down last year, Hedberg started as many games in a row until Brodeur got back.

 

Schneider got weeks off, so he is going to be well rested. It comes down to the Devils not treating Brodeur like a typical Devils backup when he might as well be Kinkaid or Clemmensen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Lat, in fairness to Marty, I don't think he's been constantly going out of his way to bring his situation up to the media...he comments on it when asked.  The deadline had a lot to do with the frequency of the questions ramping up.  One could argue that he could (or should) have been a little less forthcoming, maybe come across a little less "me first", but I think this has been, and remains, a very difficult adjustment for him. 

 

The rest is all speculation at this point...we've heard from Kypreos-types that Marty's supposedly not happy with still being a Devil, but I'm not willing to take their collective word for it.  Marty doesn't really have to do much here except say that he supports the Devils and is happy to be here whether he plays in 3 games or 13, and not talk about next year until this season is over.  It's OK to lie through his teeth in this case about the particulars...his teammates, GM, and coach have been doing it on his behalf for months now. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I just wonder what it's gonna take to Marty to "realize" he's done. Numbers certainly isnt, hopefully the trade deadline opened at least ONE eye... 

 

like i said i'd just like to see him finish the season without really being so OUT THERE with the medias feeding them quotes putting unnecessary pressure on the organization or Schneider (somewhat) 

 

and then he tries to get a pro tryout "somewhere" but doesnt get a contract, wait a few weeks/months home and then decide / realize it's time...

 

i REALLY think that's what it would take. 

 

Wonder IF he does sign somewhere if Lou would do a move like they did for Modano to sign him for like a day or wtv just so he retires as a Devils 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

We'll see CR.  It will be interesting to see how he handles this.  He did handle the benching for Team Canada well in Vancouver so there is reason to hope he will take the high road from here on out.  

 

Sterio, I think your hypothetical is exactly what will happen.  Marty is not going to get signed July 1 so he'll end up going somewhere on a pro tryout in September before finally calling it quits.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

and then he tries to get a pro tryout "somewhere" but doesnt get a contract, wait a few weeks/months home and then decide / realize it's time...

 

 

Yes, I think that's what will happen. 

 

Edit: regarding Marty and others being better...it seems he can acknowledge that Corey/Luongo are better goalies but he has zero clue of what it takes to play in the NHL. Zero.

Edited by Marshall

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

What is sad though is that he probably wouldnt listen to the people around him that he "should" listen to.

 

in my mind Lou would be the only one who could tell him "listen i think its over" and obviously its not something easy to say to Marty.

 

Other than that im sure Brodeur's kids, wife, friends, agent (i mean he wants to make money) would all tell him that he should try to play as much as he can.

 

Plus obviously we all know that Brodeur will have to pay his ex some big money for another few years so he might want to get every single penny he can.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Everyone keeps saying this, but we don't actually. Brodeur would regularly start 75+ games, and even when Brodeur went down last year, Hedberg started as many games in a row until Brodeur got back.

 

Schneider got weeks off, so he is going to be well rested. It comes down to the Devils not treating Brodeur like a typical Devils backup when he might as well be Kinkaid or Clemmensen.

 

Brodeur never should've been playing that much.  He wasn't worse in back to back games, so maybe that's why he played so much, but I think that was largely an accident.  There was really no sense in Brodeur playing 75 games a year - Schneider should've gotten 62 games this year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Re:  Ruutu, in some ways it's like the Devils got him for nothing.  Loktionov wasn't going to be here after this year anyway.  Maybe he turns into something for someone else, but the guess here is he'll continue to show why he was taken in the 5th round, if he's even in the NHL next season.  The fact is that if you really show something and force yourself to be noticed, teams will find a way to get you in the lineup, or at the very least, in more significant roles.  He opened some eyes with that 7 goal, 4 assist burst in his first 18 GP as a Devil, but he hadn't done much since (13 points in his last 58 GP).  Maybe the simple fact is the reason Loki never really made a name for himself here or in LA is that he's simply not very good and hasn't really progressed much.  As for a conditional 2017 3rd-rounder, I can't worry about a mid-round pick that's several seasons away.  I'm guessing the reason it's so far off is that it's contigent on Ruutu re-signing with the Devils?  Anyway, the pick isn't really a big deal.

 

I'm sorry, but Loktionov did not 'show why he was picked in the 5th round'.  5th round players seldom become regular NHLers.  A player's draft position really carries little weight 6 years away from the draft.  Loktionov has run bad in terms of on-ice SH%, not much other way to put it.  He himself is probably not a great shooter.  Either way, there's a regular NHL player in there, and he added a dynamism to NJ that Ruutu does not, so that's a little disappointing.  It's more disappointing that we have to see Henrique moved off the wing where he has been excellent for center which is a position I don't think he plays particularly well.

 

 

As for Ruutu himself, he's not a sexy player and his salary is not great, but at least the 'Canes are on the hook for 20% of the cash he has coming to him.  Hopefully his low shooting% is due for some positive regression.  But I've moved from the "WTF?!" camp to the "OK, doesn't look great at first glance, but let's give it a chance" group.  I like that he at least can get a practice or two in with his new teammates.

 

Positive regression should not be 'expected' - this is the gambler's fallacy.  We should expect Ruutu to shoot closer to his career norm than what he's done this year.  Still, if he's not getting PP time he shouldn't do a ton.

 

One thing Ruutu does do is give them a little depth in case of injury - the Devils aren't tremendously deep right now.  Josefson would be the 13th forward, but then it's either Boucher, Sislo, or Sestito are the first callups - hopefully Ruutu forestalls that a little bit.

Edited by Triumph

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think Marty is providing a services giving everyone focus to their frustration with this teams many unidentifiable woes.

 

Fact is if we tried to deal with anything real here, the board would be dead silent.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm sorry, but Loktionov did not 'show why he was picked in the 5th round'.  5th round players seldom become regular NHLers.  A player's draft position really carries little weight 6 years away from the draft.  Loktionov has run bad in terms of on-ice SH%, not much other way to put it.  He himself is probably not a great shooter.  Either way, there's a regular NHL player in there, and he added a dynamism to NJ that Ruutu does not, so that's a little disappointing.  It's more disappointing that we have to see Henrique moved off the wing where he has been excellent for center which is a position I don't think he plays particularly well.

 

 

 

Positive regression should not be 'expected' - this is the gambler's fallacy.  We should expect Ruutu to shoot closer to his career norm than what he's done this year.  Still, if he's not getting PP time he shouldn't do a ton.

 

One thing Ruutu does do is give them a little depth in case of injury - the Devils aren't tremendously deep right now.  Josefson would be the 13th forward, but then it's either Boucher, Sislo, or Sestito are the first callups - hopefully Ruutu forestalls that a little bit.

 

Loktionov was a healthy scratch for six straight games at one point.  Sure sounds like a guy struggling to become a regular NHLer to me.  I remember some thinking the trade was a steal at the time it was made.  Devils did get 76 NHL games out of him, which I guess isn't a bad return for the 5th-rounder they gave up (a lot of 5th-rounders never get that far), but it wasn't like LA got fleeced.  At 23 going on 24, he's already on his third team...we'll see if Carolina re-signs him, or if he goes to the KHL or NHL team #4. 

 

Never said anything about "expecting" positive regression...simply hoping for some.  You're always the guy who would say something like "A career 12.1% shooter is not going to shoot 6.3% for the season, he's due for some luck."  Obviously shot quantity will factor in heavily.  Gotta see how the Devils plan on using him. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

http://www.northjersey.com/columnists/Sullivan_Keeping_Brodeur_was_best_move_Lou_didnt_make__.html

 

All Hail Marty ! 

I'm not a rational kind of guy... I wanna have Marty another 10 years between the pipes ! 

 

I know... I knoooow... 

Whatever !

MARTY ! 

 

I saw so many people with a HUGE EGO in my life already...But so little got as many excuse as Marty got ! 

 

I let all the rational people here wanna see him buried in retirement house or worse... in another franchise. Meanwhile, i will be childish, silly, naive, irrational & plain stupid... and Keep thinking that Marty is here for another 10 years.

At the end, rational people are more often right.. and they will be in this case... probably ; ) 

But i don't care being wrong (for once ; ) )... I don't wanna grow up ! And I love you Marty ! 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yes, I think that's what will happen. 

 

Edit: regarding Marty and others being better...it seems he can acknowledge that Corey/Luongo are better goalies but he has zero clue of what it takes to play in the NHL. Zero.

 

Suggesting Marty has no idea what it takes to play in the NHL is a little ridiculous. He's played in the NHL more than any other goalie. He knows what it takes. He just can't accept that he doesn't have it anymore.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0