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Renato Rodrigues

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Hate all the "players didn't try hard enough" stuff. 

 

I don't really see anyone saying this tonight. People are just pissed the Devils couldn't score, not that they didn't work hard enough to.

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I think he just meant soon enough that he probably won't see another game like that from Karri Ramo. I believe he was inferring that could be a while LOL.

 

Hes been here all year long and still doesnt know that we ALWAYS make backups look like Glenn Hall.

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I hope one of you stat guys can make a post sometime about how many rookie/backup/washed up goaltenders the Devils have lost to this season.  It seems like it would be a depressing number.

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Hate all the "players didn't try hard enough" stuff. The team isn't the greatest to begin with and are short 3 top guys. We get a bounce going our way and it's "damn I'm so fvcking proud of this team!!!!!!!!!!" The effort is there, it has been all along. This is a team of mules that needs a stallion or two. 

 

Yeah (except for the Ryders and the Brunners). This is all on Lou, who needs to step down already.

They've had some poor-effort games here and there (all teams will, especially in compressed seasons), but there's actually reasons for hope for next year...the overall goaltending should improve, for one.  And like I've pointed out, there's flexibility with this roster.  Lou can make plenty of changes if he wants to.

 

Plus fewer back to backs next season for sure

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Our last succesful season we had a 40 goals scorer, 2 30 goals scorer, a few 20+ scorers and then we had our regulars in the 5-10 range.

We lost kovy, zach, clarkson, sykora (very cheap 20+ goals production)

Replaced it by jagr, brunner, clowe, ryder, butler, matteau and god knows who else. Which was clearly not enough to compensate. Only jagr actually helped.

We have no scoring outside of maybe boucher coming from our system. We have aging scorers that should leave soon and their production is dropping anyway.

We can try to sign a few free agents but again, anyone that we sign should be added to the mix, not replacing or be a small upgrade to another guy leaving. That still wont be enough

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They've had some poor-effort games here and there (all teams will, especially in compressed seasons), but there's actually reasons for hope for next year...the overall goaltending should improve, for one.  And like I've pointed out, there's flexibility with this roster.  Lou can make plenty of changes if he wants to.

Yup, I've been surprisingly calm about it. 

 

I thought I saw a couple here neb but I was taking other boards and twitter into consideration too

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What you posted was moronic in nature...you jumped to an unfounded conclusion, that I was saying to dump Ryder and Brunner and not try to find upgrades.  It's very simple...Ryder and Brunner shouldn't really be considered scorers if this team wants to improve offensively. 

 

At any rate, your response was ridiculous and way over the top, but you only made yourself look bad in doing it.

I never said that you said that we would not find upgrades, you jumped to that conclusion too and missed my point, that makes you a moron too i guess. Thats my whole point, upgrades on those players wont make a difference by how low were in scoring, we'd still be sitting at the bottom of the league in scoring

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Yup, I've been surprisingly calm about it. 

 

I thought I saw a couple here neb but I was taking other boards and twitter into consideration too

 

Oh it's been said many times. I just think this game is different for people seeing as how tonight the Devils clearly gave all they had and still failed.

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I hope one of you stat guys can make a post sometime about how many rookie/backup/washed up goaltenders the Devils have lost to this season. It seems like it would be a depressing number.

That may take some time. Its a list on par with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

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Jagr almost did it himself.   I really have learned to respect Jagr this year.  Glad he is a Devil.

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CR said it, cant win more than 3 in a ROW

 

shutout WTF

 

edit: pretty much cant get more pissed; i just pulled it out and did a 360 piss in the middle of the avenue, yup

 

Edited by lazer

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That may take some time. Its a list on par with the Dead Sea Scrolls.

 

Don't attempt to make that list without some Zoloft by your side.

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Jagr almost did it himself.   I really have learned to respect Jagr this year.  Glad he is a Devil.

 

Have to give it to him, he gave us our best chance tonight.

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Jagr almost did it himself.   I really have learned to respect Jagr this year.  Glad he is a Devil.

hope you enjoyed it while it lasted this season... if i were him i would run far and fast after this year.

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Our last succesful season we had a 40 goals scorer, 2 30 goals scorer, a few 20+ scorers and then we had our regulars in the 5-10 range.

We lost kovy, zach, clarkson, sykora (very cheap 20+ goals production)

Replaced it by jagr, brunner, clowe, ryder, butler, matteau and god knows who else. Which was clearly not enough to compensate. Only jagr actually helped.

We have no scoring outside of maybe boucher coming from our system. We have aging scorers that should leave soon and their production is dropping anyway.

We can try to sign a few free agents but again, anyone that we sign should be added to the mix, not replacing or be a small upgrade to another guy leaving. That still wont be enough

 

Problem with Ryder and Brunner types is they don't bring much else to the table.  Ryder really needs to score 25+ to be of value.  If he's struggling to score 20, he's pretty much useless, especially with the insanely long scoring droughts.  You can find guys who can score 15-20 who can do some other things. 

 

 

I never said that you said that we would not find upgrades, you jumped to that conclusion too and missed my point, that makes you a moron too i guess. Thats my whole point, upgrades on those players wont make a difference by how low were in scoring, we'd still be sitting at the bottom of the league in scoring

 

Your post implied as much.  You made it sound like I was just saying to get rid of them and not make any attempt to find improvements. 

 

Anyway, jettisoning those two is a start.  For one, it shows guys will be held accountable (and I think that's becoming a problem around here)...if you're not doing your job, you're not a lock to keep it around here.  And like I said, you can find guys who can score 15-20 and be more helpful than Ryder and Brunner. 

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976

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hope you enjoyed it while it lasted this season... if i were him i would run far and fast after this year.

 

This is why I almost don't want scorers to come to this team - I know we depress them. We should just stick to defense at this point.

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Ryder and Brunner are going nowhere.  We have $6 mil tied up in these turds next year.  No one will trade for a washed-up Ryder at $3.5 mil (who had more points in the half season last year than the full season this year).  And there was a reason no one offered Brunner a contract in the offseason, but yet Lou gave him a 2 year deal based on a one week tryout.

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Hate all the "players didn't try hard enough" stuff. The team isn't the greatest to begin with and are short 3 top guys. We get a bounce going our way and it's "damn I'm so fvcking proud of this team!!!!!!!!!!" The effort is there, it has been all along. This is a team of mules that needs a stallion or two. 

 

It's not that they didn't try hard tonight but where was the effort we saw the last three games at other points this season when we were losing a million games to trash teams and every backup goaltender in the league?

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Ryder and Brunner are going nowhere.  We have $6 mil tied up in these turds next year.  No one will trade for a washed-up Ryder at $3.5 mil (who had more points in the half season last year than the full season this year).  And there was a reason no one offered Brunner a contract in the offseason, but yet Lou gave him a 2 year deal based on a one week tryout.

 

They're on one-year deals after this year, they're easily disposable.  Someone would surely take Ryder in particular thinking he could go back to scoring 25-30 goals on the right team.  I'd really have to think long and hard if I could only get rid of one of them.  Brunner can't score to save his life but he's been like the little engine that couldn't most of the time and at least has some speed (which this team has to get a LOT more of), while Ryder floats around so much you're surprised he doesn't bump into airplanes.

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Ryder and Brunner are going nowhere.  We have $6 mil tied up in these turds next year.  No one will trade for a washed-up Ryder at $3.5 mil (who had more points in the half season last year than the full season this year).  And there was a reason no one offered Brunner a contract in the offseason, but yet Lou gave him a 2 year deal based on a one week tryout.

 

Ryder is pretty cheap and only has a year left.  He had a 35-goal season in '11-'12 and scored 16 in '12-'13 (35 points in 46 GP that year).  Someone would take a chance on him and hope he's a bargain, though an opposing GM is probably looking to unload a bad contract that has an extra year or two over Ryder's, or will deal a 3rd-rounder...such GMs will probably be looking to fleece. 

 

Not sure how much interest there would be in Brunner. 

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I hope one of you stat guys can make a post sometime about how many rookie/backup/washed up goaltenders the Devils have lost to this season.  It seems like it would be a depressing number.

 

Twenty backup goalies.

 

McIllheney twice

Raanta twice

Gustavsson twice

Emery twice

LaBarbera

Scrivens (with LA)

MacDonald

Montoya

Hutton

Budaj

C. Johnson

Greiss

Nillson

Lieuwen

Stalock

Giguere

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$5 Brodeur starts the next game, any takers?

 

They're not going to bother playing him in a meaningless road game if that's what it is and they're not going to play him if they're mathematically alive either.  He'll probably wind up playing the home games Friday and Sunday.

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just a bunch of posts, god assisted saves, and heartbreaking flubs coming up. no point in watching this one to the end

 

congrats on the shutout Kari Ramo. Looking forward to seeing you in the Devils backup goalie opponent hall of fame

 

Sadly he's not a backup at this point...he's started eight of their last nine games.  But it is a little much hearing Jagr say Ramo had the best performance from a goalie he's ever seen.  Our best scoring chances were coming from Ryan freaking Carter and one from Bernier, and we wonder why we couldn't score?

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