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Brodeur: Devils have accepted mediocrity

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it's funny - i was going to start another thread but i'll put it here because you touched on something.

 

now lately, there has been no bigger critic of marty than me. i am sitting there yelling at games "get up old man" when he dives for a save and just sits there while the play keeps going around him. and his comments drive me up a fvcking wall because his PR sense is self-serving and awful.

 

but in both his and deboer's comments today, there was a nugget that falls 100% on Lou and that's this notion early on that we've got "2 number 1's and Marty is 1 and Cory is 1A". this message is not something that anyone wants to hear, true or not. and in this case, it wasn't true. both schneider and brodeur commented how the yo-yo'ing in and out of the lineup and, at times, uncertainty got to them.

 

i can assure you that one of the most important things to hockey players playing in the NHL is to know what their role is. this should not be underestimated. "don't jerk me around - tell me what i'm supposed to do and what i can do to move up or what i shouldn't do or i'll move down."

 

public comments have praised deboer for his communication and i don't believe they are bullsh!t. his assistants - perhaps leave a little to be desired in this field btw. the roster is 100% on lou. in-game, of course that's deboer. but lou is very much in on who gets scratched. very much. and who is on the roster is 100% lou. i am repeating myself because this year's "2 number 1s" was last year's "8 defensemen" was previous' year's 19 roster players b/c of cap issues. Lou is a straight shooter with players - when he wants to be. other times, he ascribes to the mantra of "i'll speak when i want and if i don't, i don't".

 

i'm not going to second guess lou on brunner, clowe, or ryder - they made sense (injuries aside for clowe - the player he is fits well). but he handled the goaltending terribly this year from the word go. you want to publicly say something like we've got 2 #1's, fine. but privately, both goaltenders should know exactly what's going on and honesty should have been tantamount. it clearly wasn't.

 

It's a no-win situation.  They bury Brodeur right away and he's up with the press giving quotes like he has the last 6 weeks and demanding a trade that he won't get.  Again, as I said in the other thread, you would expect injuries to bail you out in this situation much like the 8 D situation - they didn't.  Brodeur did not get injured all year, which is rather remarkable for a player who has been hurt in 4 of the last 5 years.

 

I'm sure neither guy was happy with the situation as it was, but there wasn't really a way out of it.  Say that Brodeur is #1 and you're either lying or delusional or you wasted your 9th overall pick.  I think they were pretty true to their word all things considered, both guys split the starts - Brodeur has only been a backup for the last 2 months of the season, and even then he got a pretty long run splitting starts with Schneider.

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The idea that this team is somehow way better but is content to lollygag around the bottom of the NHL standings is insane, and Brodeur's had the best seat in the house to watch the team quite a lot over the last 2 months, so he should know.

Yeah its not like he has an agenda and been throwing a hissy fit this past season.

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Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it sounds like he might be saying he's ready for the front office, as he knows what the team needs...

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I never thought I'd dislike Marty.. but man, does he need to shut up.

Marty; 2.54 GAA .899 Sv%

Cory; 1.97 GAA .921 Sv%

..you'd be bitter too!

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I'd be careful about trading Greene...he's become a nice, steady, fairly-priced veteran...the kind of unspectacular but very competent guy you miss when he's gone. 

 

His value (especially to this team) is much, much greater than what he's earning. 

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Marty; 2.54 GAA .899 Sv%

Cory; 1.97 GAA .921 Sv%

..you'd be bitter too!

Ones 41, ones in his prime so id be worried if brodeur had better numbers then cory.

This offseason will def be interesting to see if any changes happen

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Marty; 2.54 GAA .900 Sv%

Cory; 1.97 GAA .921 Sv%

..you'd be bitter too!

 

No need to make Brodeur's save% any worse than it already is, lol.

 

I'm glad the on-ice part of all of this is just about over.  Give Marty the two home games (there's really no reason for Devils fans to attend either game otherwise).  No one is going to hold any of his quotes against him...he will get loudly cheered no matter what he does (as it really should be).

 

Hopefully this doesn't drag for too long beyond the end of the season, but I get the feeling we're going to get a lot of quotes along the lines of how Marty would be willing to come back here, but would also be willing to go elsewhere, it's going to come down to how much playing time he can get, but then again he may be willing to back up, but he needs to have some say and power in what exactly he's going to be, that even though he's not saying he would refuse to be a backup, it would still be hard because he needs starts to get on a roll... :puke:

 

I remember a song called "I Don't Want to Fall in Love" by Jane Child (1990).  Child had kind of an "out-there" appearance....4-foot-long braids and cornrows on the sides, but 7" spiked hair (think mega-mullett supreme), a nose-ring with a chain...a reviewer once said "When Child belts out 'I don't want to fall in love', you can't help but wonder who's really asking?"  That's how it is with Marty.  He doesn't really have any power in this situation but seems to think that he does...the ONLY reason there may be interest is because of the brand name, but Marty clearly thinks there's some kind of demand for his on-ice services (or is trying to convince himself of it).  But sadly, I don't think anyone's really going to be asking. 

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I remember a song called "I Don't Want to Fall in Love" by Jane Child (1990).  Child had kind of an "out-there" appearance....4-foot-long braids and cornrows on the sides, but 7" spiked hair (think mega-mullett supreme), a nose-ring with a chain...a reviewer once said "When Child belts out 'I don't want to fall in love', you can't help but wonder who's really asking?"  That's how it is with Marty.  He doesn't really have any power in this situation but seems to think that he does...the ONLY reason there may be interest is because of the brand name, but Marty clearly thinks there's some kind of demand for his on-ice services (or is trying to convince himself of it).  But sadly, I don't think anyone's really going to be asking. 

It was a braided cornrow mullet. Nasty-looking broad. I appreciate the Friday Flashback!

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I just hope if Marty doesn't find a job that he's not going to blame us for sabotaging his career. I could see him being that deluded and angry.

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Dude.  Brodeur is bad.  The Devils would have to be the best team in the league by far to be in position to win the division with Brodeur playing half their games.  Lou doesn't need to be called out - much of what's gone on here has been out of his hands, or written in the stars of poor drafts years ago.  You can't just magically get good in this league, that's not how it works.  Being saddled with a bad goalie who won't stop complaining can't help though.

 

I'm definitely not on Marty's side here but I do think Lou has made a few mistakes over the past few years that has hurt the franchise. A lot of them were out of his hands, yes, but things like the log jam on defense for 2 or 3 years now, drafting Matteau instead of giving up the pick, Larsson in Albany, and I know not many agree with me but signing Zach to the one year deal instead of trading him.

 

Same thing might happen with Schneider. Schneider might not want to sign a deal this summer and prefer to wait until 2015 when he's a UFA. Yeah that doesn't mean we won't be able to sign him then but it's risky. If we don't sign him we're out that 9th overall pick. So should Lou trade Corey if he says he wants to wait until 2015? I say yes. I like Corey a lot and want him to be our future goaltender but I don't think we can keep losing high end players for nothing. It's not good asset management. Lou has to push for a contract this summer or trade him IMO.

 

And please negotiate more during the season. 

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I'm definitely not on Marty's side here but I do think Lou has made a few mistakes over the past few years that has hurt the franchise. A lot of them were out of his hands, yes, but things like the log jam on defense for 2 or 3 years now, drafting Matteau instead of giving up the pick, Larsson in Albany, and I know not many agree with me but signing Zach to the one year deal instead of trading him.

 

Same thing might happen with Schneider. Schneider might not want to sign a deal this summer and prefer to wait until 2015 when he's a UFA. Yeah that doesn't mean we won't be able to sign him then but it's risky. If we don't sign him we're out that 9th overall pick. So should Lou trade Corey if he says he wants to wait until 2015? I say yes. I like Corey a lot and want him to be our future goaltender but I don't think we can keep losing high end players for nothing. It's not good asset management. Lou has to push for a contract this summer or trade him IMO.

 

And please negotiate more during the season. 

 

 

If Cory refuses to sign this summer, I take one more crack at it around Christmas time..

 

If he does not sign on the line that is dotted....I start blowing up GM's phones to see what we can get in return for him.  We absolutely CANNOT afford to lose him in free agency for nothing.

 

Lou better wake up on this one

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The issue with Schneider is we have to start winning next year, otherwise you will start hearing the "I want a chance at the Cup" exit speech.

 

I agree with most people  Sal has to go (I have a suspicion this might be another Malakhov type mystery aliment), Marty has to go, maybe Ryder and JJ.  Otherwise we are on the right track.   If we win half the SO games we are in the playoffs this year.

 

But we have to win and make this Schneiders team so he signs with confidence.

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The issue with Schneider is we have to start winning next year, otherwise you will start hearing the "I want a chance at the Cup" exit speech.

 

I agree with most people  Sal has to go (I have a suspicion this might be another Malakhov type mystery aliment), Marty has to go, maybe Ryder and JJ.  Otherwise we are on the right track.   If we win half the SO games we are in the playoffs this year.

 

But we have to win and make this Schneiders team so he signs with confidence.

 

 

Next season is HUGE for the organization.  What happens next year will determine the next 6-8 years of the club.

 

It begins with Schneider.  Would love to see us lock him up.

 

How many of the old aging d-men can we shed?  We have plenty of kids that are ready/near ready for the big show.  Our blueline should be solid for quite some time.

 

We need some scoring up front...needs to be addressed ASAP

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Next season is HUGE for the organization.  What happens next year will determine the next 6-8 years of the club.

 

It begins with Schneider.  Would love to see us lock him up.

 

How many of the old aging d-men can we shed?  We have plenty of kids that are ready/near ready for the big show.  Our blueline should be solid for quite some time.

 

We need some scoring up front...needs to be addressed ASAP

 

Totally agree.

 

I would like to keep Volchenkov as I think he is a great PK defensemen.   Sal, especially at his contract level is expendable, you can probably ship him to Edmonton who could use his defensive prowess.    Free up that cap space to lock up Scheinder and get Bocher, and Matteua a shot next season upfront.

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Would you try to bring back Zidlicky for another year?

 

HELL YES.  

 

Zidlicky's only crime is trying to do too much as the only offensive Defensemen that we have.  

 

Most of his "errors" are usually forced because we are usually trailing late in the game.   But he is a very important COG in the machine IMHO.   I would sign him for another two years and groom Gelinas, Merril and Larsson into the role.  

I love the potential for Larsson on the PP, incredibily smart player.

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I'd give Zidlicky a one year deal so it's easier to ship him off at the deadline for something if they are way out of the playoff race.

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If you sign him for a 1-Year deal, you get NOTHING in return in a trade.

 

Sign him for two years, he won't cost that much, since he had such a miserable experience last year as a UFA.  At least Lou would be in control he if wanted to deal him after year one, and get a far better return.

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Would teams want an aging Zidlicky with his cap for another year? I think it would be easier to move him with the one year but it's not really a big deal. I just can't see him be signed two years with all the young guys coming up.

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The problem with our team we have too many very average players but that are decent, so there's too many of them that your bottom 6 is too full and too expensive but they are not good enough mostly to be real top 6 guys on a good team.

 

To me to be on the right track for a better future we'd need:

 

1. Schneider signing a long term deal.

2. To have a true #1 center and have Zajac on the 2nd line.

3. Reid Boucher becoming a true top 6 winger.

4. Matteau becoming a true top 9 player.

5. Get rid of the dead weight on defence and make room for the kids, they got to play.

6. All our D prospects becoming close to what we think they can become.

7. Patch holes with the RIGHT free agents.

8. Figure out if Josefson is really part of the team plan, then do something according to it.

 

I mean im trying to put a roster together but really there's too many average players that i can either not put on the top line or on the bottom line.

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I just hope if Marty doesn't find a job that he's not going to blame us for sabotaging his career. I could see him being that deluded and angry.

 

This will not happen. He is taking unnecessary shots at the team right now but that's Marty. He's not full of rage and anger, that's a product of media and fan hyperbole and guys like Triumph making it out to be more than it is. I think Marty's attitude can be gauged from an interview he did a month or so ago in which he said, "He'd like to play, but he is trying to prove to himself that he still can." The guy clearly has a hurt ego yes, I would too if the house that I built is now watching me ride the bench (though rightfully so). That said, Marty could continue to take these light shots for years to come. But I think he gets over it when Lou makes him the play-by-play guy.

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