Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) We all know where we stand, 0-12 is horrendous, and it has been a difference maker. Personally i don’t believe its psychological for the majority of our shooters (Elias and Jagr and Henrique aside) i think it’s just a distinct lack of talent. The majority of our shooters just don’t have the hands. I was intrigued as to who the Devils could bring in to solve this problem. So i decided to investigate the shootout records for this season so far of all the 2014 UFA forwards this summer. Unsurprisingly about 100 or so UFA forwards didn’t have a single shootout attempt this season. Here are the figures for all those that did and a few notable players who didn’t even attempt a shot. Player Shootout Attempts Goals Success RateGaborik, Marian » 2 2 100%Terry, Chris » 2 2 100%Hemsky, Ales » 1 1 100%Ott, Steve » 3 2 66.70%Moulson, Matt » 5 3 60%Setoguchi, Devin » 8 4 50%Selanne, Teemu » 4 2 50%Roy, Derek » 2 1 50%Grabovski, Mikhail » 12 5 44%Vrbata, Radim » 12 5 44%Vanek, Thomas » 7 3 43%Stempniak, Lee » 5 2 40%Jokinen, Olli » 8 3 37.50%Cammalleri, Mike » 6 2 33%Pouliot, Benoit » 3 1 33%Raymond, Mason » 7 2 28.60%Jokinen, Jussi » 8 2 25%Santorelli, Mike » 8 2 25%Alfredsson, Daniel » 10 2 20%Legwand, David » 5 1 20%Jagr, Jaromir » 5 1 20%Iginla, Jarome » 6 1 16.60%Bertuzzi, Todd » 7 1 14.30%Michalek, Milan » 8 1 12.50%Whitney, Ray » 3 0 0%Callahan, Ryan » 3 0 0%Koivu, Saku » 3 0 0%Bouchard, Pierre-Marc » 2 0 0%Handzus, Michal » 2 0 0%Sislo, Mike » 1 0 0%Heatley, Dany » 0 0 0%Stastny, Paul » 0 0 0%Gionta, Brian » 0 0 0%Bolland, Dave » 0 0 0%Samuelsson, Mikael » 0 0 0%Kulemin, Nikolai » 0 0 0%Downie, Steve » 0 0 0%Smyth, Ryan » 0 0 0%Moss, David » 0 0 0% A player who tops a lot of peoples 1st choice free agent list (including mine) Paul Stastny, hasn’t had an attempt so far this year. So it seems unlikely that he would be able to help the situation (although with Duchene and O'Riley on the team its highly unlikely they ever really get to the stage they need to use Stastny). Either way he isn’t one of colorados go to guys. Matt Moulson on the other hand, who is a player i also a player quite a few would like to see the devils take a shot at, has had decent success in the shootout this year (he was 100% with the Islanders before going to the wild). Groboviski, Vrbata and Vanek all also have fairly decent records this year. I mean 40% of the time, they score every time!!! In terms of value to be had, and bringing in a pure ringer for the skills competition (a la Viktor Kozlov) Chris Terry of the Carolina Hurricanes is a great shout. 100% success rate and only making the league minimum. alternatively guarantee success with Gaborik at the other end of the scale. A player to avoid like the plague is Ryan Callahan. Many think he would be a good fit for the Devils, and as his shootout statistics suggest, he would fit in seamlessly with the Devils current shootout tactics.. Some interesting options. Edited April 11, 2014 by Chimaira_Devil_#9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 If Stastny cannot be had, I'd take a flier on Grabovski. I don't think targeting guys specifically good at shootouts is a good idea, though. That's a bonus. I mean, look at Clowe, you could argue one of the benefits of signing him was shootouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I would never look to sign a player based on shootout numbers I honestly think nearly every single player in the entire league would score more than 3 goals in 46? shootout attempts or whatever the number is now... 6.52% is unfathomable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Can't shop for players based on SO stats. Agree with DP about it being a bonus, but under no circumstance should it be the driving force to shop for or sign a particular player. The goal should be winning in regulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted April 11, 2014 Author Share Posted April 11, 2014 Ok ,so i wasnt actually serious. I woke up this monring and saw 0-12 and thought "really, how is this possible?". I just wanted to see if any of the guys who are UFA this year excelled. I would still take Stasnty even though he hasnt played in the skills competition this year, and Moulson's skills would clearly be an added bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 You know Brian's coming back, and he was actually good in the shootout with us anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 You know Brian's coming back, and he was actually good in the shootout with us anyway. Gio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) The Devil's lack finishers. They need 2 bona fide scorers. True shooters. If you get those 2, or even 1, they will score in the shootout. Combine that with a fresh season for Henrique or maybe even Clowe and I think things might be better on both the goal scoring and SO front. I know getting that help is way easier said than done. If I coached a team, I would mandate all my shooters use the same template every time so it would disguise tendencies. Look at that video of Oshie and every attempt against Russia was virtually identical up to the finish. I think teams have been freewheeling the SO and losing valuable points along the way. If you play a system for 65 minutes, why not have one for the SO, which determines those same 2 points? Edited April 11, 2014 by hystyk28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) The Devil's lack finishers. They need 2 bona fide scorers. True shooters. If you get those 2, or even 1, they will score in the shootout. Combine that with a fresh season for Henrique or maybe even Clowe and I think things might be better on both the goal scoring and SO front. I know getting that help is way easier said than done. If I coached a team, I would mandate all my shooters use the same template every time so it would disguise tendencies. Look at that video of Oshie and every attempt against Russia was virtually identical up to the finish. I think teams have been freewheeling the SO and losing valuable points along the way. If you play a system for 65 minutes, why not have one for the SO, which determines those same 2 points? What do you mean by "template"?!? Edited April 11, 2014 by ThreeCups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Yeah you can pretty much assume Brian Gionta's returning..and he's technically a scorer. He might help a bit. I do miss his one-and-only forehand-backhand move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 just saying, michael ryder is a "scorer" a "pure shooter". It is why i was elated with his signing. the problem is when that shot isn't going in, or he doesn't have linemates doing the heavy lifting, he is an anchor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think alot of the problem can be solved if we get Elias to see a sports psychologist for his shootout yips. Man is Chuck Knoblauch the shootout... minus hitting Keith Olberman's mom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 just saying, michael ryder is a "scorer" a "pure shooter". It is why i was elated with his signing. the problem is when that shot isn't going in, or he doesn't have linemates doing the heavy lifting, he is an anchor He is not a top 6 forward. I would say he is a perfect 3rd liner except he can't doesn't skate at all. The Des need a top 6 shooting forward. Think Iginla-esque. Ryder is certainly one of my least favorite Devs of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I think alot of the problem can be solved if we get Elias to see a sports psychologist for his shootout yips. Man is Chuck Knoblauch the shootout... minus hitting Keith Olberman's mom I was at that game. It was the best throw he made all season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 (edited) Radim Vrbata is the guy I want signed. He would help the offense and at least get 20 goals and 50 points and his career shootout percentage on 82 attempts is 42%. He's at 20 goals and 50 points so far this year but with 255 total shots. If his shooting percentage this season was above 7.8% he would be having another great season.? Zajac JagrHenrique Elias Vrbata Edited April 11, 2014 by Zubie#8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 I have no interest in discussing how to 'solve the shootout.' Tell the guys to grow some balls and take the sticks out of their asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted April 11, 2014 Share Posted April 11, 2014 Michalek is a money player shootout or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted April 12, 2014 Author Share Posted April 12, 2014 I have no interest in discussing how to 'solve the shootout.' Tell the guys to grow some balls and take the sticks out of their asses. Then you Sir are clearly in the wrong thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The Devil's lack finishers. They need 2 bona fide scorers. True shooters. If you get those 2, or even 1, they will score in the shootout. Combine that with a fresh season for Henrique or maybe even Clowe and I think things might be better on both the goal scoring and SO front. I know getting that help is way easier said than done. If I coached a team, I would mandate all my shooters use the same template every time so it would disguise tendencies. Look at that video of Oshie and every attempt against Russia was virtually identical up to the finish. I think teams have been freewheeling the SO and losing valuable points along the way. If you play a system for 65 minutes, why not have one for the SO, which determines those same 2 points? I thought that's why Ryder was brought in, and Brunner. Both failed as did Clowe. All three are supposed "finishers'/shooters. Lou's experiment fell short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWW Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I have no interest in discussing how to 'solve the shootout.' Tell the guys to grow some balls and take the sticks out of their asses. Pete, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Pete, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils102 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Vrbata would be awesome. He seems like the classic underrated Devils forward. What's Viktor Kozlov up to these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacificDevil Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Two great shootout players and good players too Devils missed on - one is Jussi Jokinen last year (this is well-documented) another was free agent Brad Boyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 I thought that's why Ryder was brought in, and Brunner. Both failed as did Clowe. All three are supposed "finishers'/shooters. Lou's experiment fell short. To me, it felt more like those were the guys available after Kovy defected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacificDevil Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Btw, Ryder was brought in before Kovy left - this is very important IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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