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2014 UFA Signing Thread

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It's first line center money.  Zajac is not going to have a problem once age starts catching up to him.  His not a slow player, but that speed is what helps his offense imo.  He'll still be effective in a checking role.  

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It's first line center money.  Zajac is not going to have a problem once age starts catching up to him.  His not a slow player, but that speed is what helps his offense imo.  He'll still be effective in a checking role.  

 

It is not first line center money.  Neither Zajac nor Dubinsky are receiving 1st line center money.  

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It is not first line center money.  Neither Zajac nor Dubinsky are receiving 1st line center money.  

1st line center money for a center who isn't a superstar/elite point-getter.  That's a lot of money to be being a guy who is slotted to be a number 2 or 3.

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It's longer for a player who is older.  Dubinsky's contract ends when he is just turning 35.  Zajac's deal ends when he is just turning 36.  I think both will end up pretty awfully, actually.

By the time Zajac's deal is over, the cap will probably be somewhere around 80-85 million.

 

Also, Dubinsky is not as good as Zajac now and plays a physical game. We know how those players age

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Also, Dubinsky is not as good as Zajac now and plays a physical game. We know how those players age

Exactly. It's apples vs. oranges to an extent, but how this deal isn't being torn apart like Zajac's was is beyond me.

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Exactly. It's apples vs. oranges to an extent, but how this deal isn't being torn apart like Zajac's was is beyond me.

 

Timing.  Zajac's deal, IIRC, was the first contract announced out of the lockout, or at least the first major one.  Dubinsky's contract comes at the end of Free Agent Frenzy.

 

Mantzas:  If the cap is at $80 million, the Zajac deal is horrendous at its conclusion.

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1st line center money for a center who isn't a superstar/elite point-getter.  That's a lot of money to be being a guy who is slotted to be a number 2 or 3.

 

I'll say it again, that isn't 1st line center money.  Grabovski got 5M per.  Dave Bolland got 5M per.  Toews got 10.  Now that the front-loaded thing is gone, we'll see salaries return to normal, and that means top centers making $7M to $8M.

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Timing. Zajac's deal, IIRC, was the first contract announced out of the lockout, or at least the first major one. Dubinsky's contract comes at the end of Free Agent Frenzy.

Mantzas: If the cap is at $80 million, the Zajac deal is horrendous at its conclusion.

How so? Would like the rationale or hypothesis on this?

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I'll say it again, that isn't 1st line center money. Grabovski got 5M per. Dave Bolland got 5M per. Toews got 10. Now that the front-loaded thing is gone, we'll see salaries return to normal, and that means top centers making $7M to $8M.

Stamkos will get $10 million.

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Stamkos will get $10 million.

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he'll get more than that to keep him away from FA. I think he's comparable with Toews at worse and you could make an excellent argument he's better. And if he gets there somebody will probably offer him 12 or something up there

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he'll get more than that to keep him away from FA. I think he's comparable with Toews at worse and you could make an excellent argument he's better. And if he gets there somebody will probably offer him 12 or something up there

Stamkos will be 26 when his current deal is up. You can probably get no better than 50/50 odds for the next six years that he'll score 50 or more goals in each of those years unless there's an unforeseen drop in his play. He started playing at 18 and is more than a point per game player already. He's better than both Kane and Toews. Then you add in the fact that they won't have another UFA to retain that could demand a twin salary like Kane to Toews, and he will easily get $12 million. If Tampa were allowed to, they'd probably offer him and eight year $90 million extension right now.

In all likelihood, Tavares is also going to break $10 million AAV when his time comes.

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Tavares and Stamkos will break $10M.  I am talking more about guys like Krejci and Stepan and so forth - guys closer to Zajac's level of play.

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Tavares and Stamkos will break $10M.  I am talking more about guys like Krejci and Stepan and so forth - guys closer to Zajac's level of play.

Comparing Zajac with Krejci and Stepan. woah.  

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Comparing Zajac with Krejci and Stepan. woah.  

 

Why is that a 'woah'?

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Comparing Zajac with Krejci and Stepan. woah.  

 

why is that woah at all? Derek Stepan had 57 points, he's not exactly Sidney Crosby. Zajac had 48 on a team that can't score and ya know defense and corsi and all that fun/better stuff 

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Comparing Zajac with Krejci and Stepan. woah.  

 

Well, they are closer to Zajac's level of play than Tavares/Stamkos...which is what he said.

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I was under the assumption that the board general opinion undervalues Zajac  I wasn't dogging him.   He's a great player and I don't think his contract is going to hurt us.  Even if his production takes a complete nose dive in his age 34 and 35 years, I don't think he'll be a liability.  

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zajac's defensive play really makes up for him not putting up as many points as we all wish he would but i have a good feeling his numbers will be high this season

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Timing.  Zajac's deal, IIRC, was the first contract announced out of the lockout, or at least the first major one.  Dubinsky's contract comes at the end of Free Agent Frenzy.

 

Mantzas:  If the cap is at $80 million, the Zajac deal is horrendous at its conclusion.

If the cap is at 80 million by Zajac's 6-8th year(s) you're paying 7% of it to a 3rd line center.  Not the end of the world

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zajac's defensive play really makes up for him not putting up as many points as we all wish he would but i have a good feeling his numbers will be high this season

 

FWIW, Zajac scored 11 goals and added 16 assists in his final 32 GP last season, and that includes two four-game pointless streaks.  Hoping it's a sign of things to come (Zajac being a 60-65 point player again). 

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if that line stays healthy i could definently see zajac putting up 60 points this year.. i hope jagr doesnt start to decline they were strong together

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Anyone watching games knows that his defensive play is not the only reason Zajac numbers are low. His lack of finishing is a legit reason. He's getting plenty of chances. Just can't put it in

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Anyone watching games knows that his defensive play is not the only reason Zajac numbers are low. His lack of finishing is a legit reason. He's getting plenty of chances. Just can't put it in

Can't ignore this. I think we all can recall just how many open nets he managed to miss.

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Can't ignore this. I think we all can recall just how many open nets he managed to miss.

 

thats the main reason why he'll never be a real #1 center to me. Yeah he's good defensively but real top center are usually excellent on both sides.

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