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2014 UFA Signing Thread

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The difference is that he probably would have been traded.  The limit on years give a team some amount of certainty as to whether they can re-sign a player.  You know you can outbid everyone else.  If the player still says no, you know he wants to play elsewhere. 

 

Possibly but just maybe.  Devils were hot going into the trade deadline and remained pretty hot until the SCF.  Doubt they would have traded him when they had a shot at winning the cup that year.

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Possibly but just maybe.  Devils were hot going into the trade deadline and remained pretty hot until the SCF.  Doubt they would have traded him when they had a shot at winning the cup that year.

 

Think about it though - no one was talking about the Cup that year at the trade deadline.

 

And what did Kovy fetch a few seasons prior?  A 1st, B-level prospect, and a roster player?  I'd have happily parted ways with him if he hadn't already signed an extension under this CBA.

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Think about it though - no one was talking about the Cup that year at the trade deadline.

 

And what did Kovy fetch a few seasons prior?  A 1st, B-level prospect, and a roster player?  I'd have happily parted ways with him if he hadn't already signed an extension under this CBA.

 

And out of those which is still on Atlanta/Winnipeg?  Just that 1st in a way by that was used as part of the big trade that included Byfuglien.  I think NJ got the better of that deal.

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And out of those which is still on Atlanta/Winnipeg? Just that 1st in a way by that was used as part of the big trade that included Byfuglien. I think NJ got the better of that deal.

I actually think Cormier is still in the Winnipeg organization, surprisingly enough.

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The problem with Brassard isn't age - he'll be 31 at the end of this contract.  It's that he might not be that good.  Lou has made many mistakes in free agency but one of the things he's pretty good at is avoiding big contracts to soft-minute scorers who don't do anything else well.

 

I wouldn't have given him 5 years. More like 3. Brassard has yet to produce 20 goals or 50 points in a season. His possession time was 53.5 percent. Right in line with Zuccarello (53.8) and Pouliot (55.1). The quality of competition should be tougher for Brass and Zucc on the second line. I wouldn't necessarily call him a soft minute scorer. He'll get his nose dirty. He's been a solid performer the last two postseasons. Now that he's got his contract, there'll be more pressure to perform consistently.

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I wouldn't have given him 5 years. More like 3. Brassard has yet to produce 20 goals or 50 points in a season. His possession time was 53.5 percent. Right in line with Zuccarello (53.8) and Pouliot (55.1). The quality of competition should be tougher for Brass and Zucc on the second line. I wouldn't necessarily call him a soft minute scorer. He'll get his nose dirty. He's been a solid performer the last two postseasons. Now that he's got his contract, there'll be more pressure to perform consistently.

 

Soft minutes doesn't refer to a player's toughness, it refers to the level of competition, and how often the player starts his shifts in the offensive zone.  I think Pouliot and Zuccarello are the guys who are driving the possession on that line - Brassard has no real history with that.

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Soft minutes doesn't refer to a player's toughness, it refers to the level of competition, and how often the player starts his shifts in the offensive zone.  I think Pouliot and Zuccarello are the guys who are driving the possession on that line - Brassard has no real history with that.

 

I gotcha. My mistake. I don't disagree. Both Pouliot and Zuccarello are strong possession guys. The line had excellent chemistry. The QOC was between 28-29. They weren't facing the same level of competition as Stepan or Nash. They were at 30.1.

 

See the Leafs finally made a wise move and signed Gardiner for 5 years at $20.25 million. I looked at the value of LT contracts and why it's better to invest in young assets. Threw out the Ennis and Brassard contracts along with Henrique and a couple of other notables.

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I gotcha. My mistake. I don't disagree. Both Pouliot and Zuccarello are strong possession guys. The line had excellent chemistry. The QOC was between 28-29. They weren't facing the same level of competition as Stepan or Nash. They were at 30.1.

See the Leafs finally made a wise move and signed Gardiner for 5 years at $20.25 million. I looked at the value of LT contracts and why it's better to invest in young assets. Threw out the Ennis and Brassard contracts along with Henrique and a couple of other notables.

I actually think most of the Leafs moves this off-season were solid. Definitely got helped by being beaten in the stupid contract dept by FLA on signing Bolland, but aside from that, their moves seemed to all be sensible for a change.

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I actually think most of the Leafs moves this off-season were solid. Definitely got helped by being beaten in the stupid contract dept by FLA on signing Bolland, but aside from that, their moves seemed to all be sensible for a change.

 

I just got into an argument with a Leafs fan about Schneider.  Jesus.  They aren't going to be a successful team unless they can learn to limit shots against.  They can't win games when they allow close to 30+ shots per game. 

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I just got into an argument with a Leafs fan about Schneider.  Jesus.  They aren't going to be a successful team unless they can learn to limit shots against.  They can't win games when they allow close to 30+ shots per game. 

True. I think they took a step forward though by not signing Bolland, re-signing Gardiner, signing Winnik and Booth. I think all those moves and the one non move, lol, are all positive ones for the Leafs. I don't think it's enough to make them a competitive team, but they may not be quite as bad as they have been. They really need to dump Carlyle before they make real progress.

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8 years 9m AAV for Subban. Wowza.

 

Wow... countdown to the next lockout is in full effect. 

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Bargain for Subban - and yes, the lockout is coming, but only because that's how the owners want it.

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That contract is not a bargain. It's market value. In a few years, it sadly will be. Subban got paid. If the Habs were smart, they would've just signed him earlier and saved. The Slats did it with McDonagh. The biggest bargain in the league. Hawks also did it with Keith. Two time Norris winner. The sooner you lock up a player, the more you save. The lockout is coming because the market is out of control. It will only become worse.

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Bargain for Subban - and yes, the lockout is coming, but only because that's how the owners want it.

 

I wouldn't call it a "bargain" to be honest.  What would you value his remaining RFA years at?  7.5 per?  And his UFA years?  Maybe 9.5-10 on the open market if Sather had the space?

 

Average it all together...even 9m seems high.  Hard to justify PK at 9 when Doughty's at 7..obviously signed at different times but still.  9AAV is setting a dangerous precedent.  Which brings me to my final point...

 

 

Wow... countdown to the next lockout is in full effect. 

 

Yep.

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That contract is not a bargain. It's market value. In a few years, it sadly will be. Subban got paid. If the Habs were smart, they would've just signed him earlier and saved. The Slats did it with McDonagh. The biggest bargain in the league. Hawks also did it with Keith. Two time Norris winner. The sooner you lock up a player, the more you save. The lockout is coming because the market is out of control. It will only become worse.

 

No, that just isn't true.  The Rangers signed McDonagh for 6 years.  The Rangers got 3 years of UFA.  When McDonagh is eligible for UFA, he is going to be due an AAV of at least $9M, and he is not as good as PK Subban.  The Habs got 2 years at 2.9M, now they will get 8 years at 9M.  They are paying more now, but they are saving later, as Subban would be eligible for at least an $11M AAV if he were signed to a $6M/6 year type deal like you are proposing.

 

The lockout is coming because the owners can.  A player like PK Subban is worth considerably more than Montreal is paying him.

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I wouldn't call it a "bargain" to be honest.  What would you value his remaining RFA years at?  7.5 per?  And his UFA years?  Maybe 9.5-10 on the open market if Sather had the space?

 

Average it all together...even 9m seems high.  Hard to justify PK at 9 when Doughty's at 7..obviously signed at different times but still.  9AAV is setting a dangerous precedent.  Which brings me to my final point...

 

 

 

Yep.

 

Doughty signed away 4 years of UFA in his deal, Subban signed away 6, and the cap is higher now than it was when Doughty signed his contract.  I do think Subban is better than Doughty as well.  Doughty's contract ends in 2019 - he will be paid $10M a season at least at that point.  So again, the point I made above - Subban at 8 years brings him to when he is 33, Doughty will be 29 when his current deal expires.  You have to add on the 3 years that Doughty will be getting that should be considerably above $10M/yr and remember again that Subban is probably > Doughty though it's close, and yes, you are talking about a bargain contract.  

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CBA expires after the 2021-22 season

At least its still a ways off then. Still another 8 seasons, including the upcoming one.

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They have an opt out after eight years iirc so that'd really be six seasons left of labor peace.

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