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Cammalleri - 5 years at $5M

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if we could just get plekanec

 

cammy zajac ryder

 

elias plekanec jagr

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It would of been nice to acquire Cammalleri during the season before the trade deadline to get a real good luck at him before signing him to a five year deal.

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the guy posted a nice highlight video, thanks for sh!tting on stuff.

 

Anytime!  :thumbsup:

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Cammalleri got 9.2 S/60 last year, second best among the top 5 UFA forwards (Vanek with 9.9). He had the best Corsi Rel (+6.7) and a pretty unlucky PDO (but mostly because lol goalies in CGY). Considering what the other guys on that list got...NJ didn't do badly at all and the only objection is term but hey July 1.

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard?players=333,395,94,167,438

 

Keep this in mind: Zubrus spent a lot of time on the top line and only averaged 5 S/60. Cammalleri is a huge upgrade in that regard, someone who actually can shoot the damn thing and do it well. I don't have split stats for Ruutu but he averaged 5.7 last year.  

 

Also curiously...when Cammalleri and Giordano were on the ice together, they had a 61% CF (and 77% GF in 300 mins). Cammalleri was 50% without Giordano but Giordano on 46% without Cammalleri (600 mins). Obviously this is b/c CGY's second line stunk in possession, but my point is that if you stick Cammalleri with Jagr and Zajac, find a workable d-partner for Greene (Merrill would be best I think), you'll see more goals. Hopefully, a lot. 

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Cammalleri got 9.2 S/60 last year, second best among the top 5 UFA forwards (Vanek with 9.9). He had the best Corsi Rel (+6.7) and a pretty unlucky PDO (but mostly because lol goalies in CGY). Considering what the other guys on that list got...NJ didn't do badly at all and the only objection is term but hey July 1.

http://www.extraskater.com/players/dashboard?players=333,395,94,167,438

 

Keep this in mind: Zubrus spent a lot of time on the top line and only averaged 5 S/60. Cammalleri is a huge upgrade in that regard, someone who actually can shoot the damn thing and do it well. I don't have split stats for Ruutu but he averaged 5.7 last year.  

 

Also curiously...when Cammalleri and Giordano were on the ice together, they had a 61% CF (and 77% GF in 300 mins). Cammalleri was 50% without Giordano but Giordano on 46% without Cammalleri (600 mins). Obviously this is b/c CGY's second line stunk in possession, but my point is that if you stick Cammalleri with Jagr and Zajac, find a workable d-partner for Greene (Merrill would be best I think), you'll see more goals. Hopefully, a lot. 

 

This is a bit misleading, because these Extra Skater stats are in all situations.  5 on 5 Cammalleri was actually 8th among UFAs in shots/60 - Thomas Vanek and Brad Richards are the only notable names who beat him out, the rest are guys who Clarkson the puck to the net at every opportunity they get - but Cammalleri is also an excellent shooter, so he ranked 9th overall in the league in goals/60 at ES..  When you move to the power play, Cammalleri ranked first in shots/60 among free agent forwards.  Overall Cammalleri ranks 15th in the league in G/60 at ES over the last 3 years (minimum 1500 minutes).  I'm more psyched about this signing the more I look into it.

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what are our lines gonna look like ? everyone is saying cam and travis are going to play together but isnt cam a rw? jagr was on travis's right last year and i dont think that should get broken up. jagrs line was looking for a good left winger last season. so why not put havlat there and put cam on a line with elias. so our top 2 lines would look like this:

 

Havlat-Zajac-Jagr

 

Henrique-Elias-Cammalleri

 

the last 2 lines are just gonna be really weird but thats what i think it should be.

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Am I the only one who calls it wishful thinking where everyone is throwing Havlat top-6 minutes?

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Am I the only one who calls it wishful thinking where everyone is throwing Havlat top-6 minutes?

 

If he can keep healthy he should be capable of it. If not, well then the lines aren't going to involve him anyway are they?

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Am I the only one who calls it wishful thinking where everyone is throwing Havlat top-6 minutes?

 

He's going to be given the chance to play top 6 minutes with Elias. That was a big reason why he was signed. Is it wishful thinking he'll work out on the 2nd line, maybe....but it isn't wishful thinking to have him penciled in there to begin the season.

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i look at anything from havlat as a bonus. if healthy, i expect him to be at least as good as ryder was last year. if not, he's LTIR and who cares.

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maybe its just quiet at the saddledome but cammalleris shot sounds like a mantis shrimp 

 

i wish clowe zubrus ruutu could be a 3rd line...too many rightys 

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Listen, we were not even a playoff team last year and we brought in one of the best forward FA's out there and his contract is way better than many of the other ones signed this offseason. Looking back a few days later, I have no complaints; I think we got a lot better than we were on June 30th.

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We got 15 goals better by not signing Brodeur.

 

That's completely untrue. For that to make sense we would have had to replace Brodeur with someone who is substantially better than him. We did not. We probably could have, but we did not. Unless of course your assuming that if Brodeur stayed he would get more starts than the average backup - which at this point I think is also untrue.

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That's completely untrue. For that to make sense we would have had to replace Brodeur with someone who is substantially better than him. We did not. We probably could have, but we did not. Unless of course your assuming that if Brodeur stayed he would get more starts than the average backup - which at this point I think is also untrue.

The chances of Marty playing more games than he deserves are higher than not. If Marty is on this team I think we are worse than if he isnt, regardless of the backup.

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That's completely untrue. For that to make sense we would have had to replace Brodeur with someone who is substantially better than him. We did not. We probably could have, but we did not. Unless of course your assuming that if Brodeur stayed he would get more starts than the average backup - which at this point I think is also untrue.

 

you did replace brodeur with someone substantially better - his name is cory schneider.

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you did replace brodeur with someone substantially better - his name is cory schneider.

 

100% wrong, I don't even know what you're angle is. The team was clearly headed in the direction of starting Cory full-time no matter what.

The chances of Marty playing more games than he deserves are higher than not. If Marty is on this team I think we are worse than if he isnt, regardless of the backup.

 

Saying it doesn't make it true - and it isn't.

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100% wrong, I don't even know what you're angle is. The team was clearly headed in the direction of starting Cory full-time no matter what.

Saying it doesn't make it true - and it isn't.

It's true. It's very true. Brodeur was terrible last year and he'll be terrible this one. Schneider had one of the best save percentages in the league last year while Brodeur had one of the worst. You bring Marty back and he wins a couple of games while Cory struggles, it'll be a disaster again.

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'The Devils were trending towards making Schneider the full-time starter' - hmm yeah that sounds about right, wait you mean Brodeur started games post-trade deadline that weren't back to backs?  Yeah, let's just retire that idea.  Devils don't get 15 goals better unless Schneider takes 30 of Brodeur's starts, which isn't happening, but he could take 20 of them, which would make the team 10 goals better and possibly more.

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100% wrong, I don't even know what you're angle is. The team was clearly headed in the direction of starting Cory full-time no matter what.

Saying it doesn't make it true - and it isn't.

if you had to guess, how many starts will Cory get this coming season with Kinkaid as the backup?

Now do you honestly believe that it would be the same number if Marty was here?

I agree if Marty was back he will accept a lesser role but it will be at least 25 starts, a lot of them against division rivals.

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100% wrong, I don't even know what you're angle is. The team was clearly headed in the direction of starting Cory full-time no matter what.

Saying it doesn't make it true - and it isn't.

Probably the angle of putrid things like witchcraft and logic. If Cory starts 60 games at least, then he's replacing 20 of Brodeurs game from last season.

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'The Devils were trending towards making Schneider the full-time starter' - hmm yeah that sounds about right, wait you mean Brodeur started games post-trade deadline that weren't back to backs? Yeah, let's just retire that idea. Devils don't get 15 goals better unless Schneider takes 30 of Brodeur's starts, which isn't happening, but he could take 20 of them, which would make the team 10 goals better and possibly more.

This was the point of my statement ... And I think Jason's also

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Looked a bit at WOWY for Cammalleri and Zajac/Jagr/Greene. Gotta wonder if that 5-man unit (personally would like to see Merrill with Greene) couldn't be a 60%+ CF and Cammalleri getting 10 S/60 at 5v5. He had 9.44 S/60 when he was on the ice with Giordano (and they crushed). 10 S/60 with his ice time at 5v5 from last year (15-ish mins) and 70 games (hey injuries!) would put him at 175 shots on goal. Say he shoots at 13% (conservative number, he shot 15% last season and 14.5 in the season prior to the lockout) and you're looking at 22-23 goals at 5v5 from him. Not bad at all. The big x-factor in all of this is Jagr continuing to be a possession machine like last year.

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It's true. It's very true. Brodeur was terrible last year and he'll be terrible this one. Schneider had one of the best save percentages in the league last year while Brodeur had one of the worst. You bring Marty back and he wins a couple of games while Cory struggles, it'll be a disaster again.

 

 

Probably the angle of putrid things like witchcraft and logic. If Cory starts 60 games at least, then he's replacing 20 of Brodeurs game from last season.

 

Neither of you said things I disagree with (but very good math DP26 - good job). I think you both misunderstood/misread. 

 

Let's review:

 

JMI said: "We got 15 goals better by not signing Brodeur."

 

I said: "For that to make sense we would have had to replace Brodeur with someone who is substantially better than him. We did not. We probably could have, but we did not."

 

Sundstrom said: "you did replace brodeur with someone substantially better - his name is cory schneider."

 

I said: "100% wrong, I don't even know what you're angle is. The team was clearly headed in the direction of starting Cory full-time no matter what."

 

 

 

Jason's logic is extremely flawed. I was being factual. We don't just get better by not signing Marty - we have to replace him with someone better. I feel like people are so fast to hate on Marty that they don't even pause to think and realize that my posts aren't defending Marty.

 

The second point I made could be argued over....but the argument is tenuous by the fact that Lou signed Clemmensen. And Sundstrom's statement is absolutely wrong no matter what because it doesn't argue anything - I had to make the argument for him.

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'The Devils were trending towards making Schneider the full-time starter' - hmm yeah that sounds about right, wait you mean Brodeur started games post-trade deadline that weren't back to backs?  Yeah, let's just retire that idea.  Devils don't get 15 goals better unless Schneider takes 30 of Brodeur's starts, which isn't happening, but he could take 20 of them, which would make the team 10 goals better and possibly more.

 

You may have constructed your post as fact but it's actually conjecture and fluff (the how many games Cory takes from Marty part. You can believe that if you'd like but Marty isn't here, that should tell you a lot.

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