mfitz804 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 4 hours ago, RizzMB30 said: Realistically he came in a and had a decent camp with us, but we're were and remain far deeper in our defensive corps than the Rags. If you want to debate that the Rags have a stronger defense corps than us now or back then, I'd love to have that discussion. This may not be a valid point to make, but the Devils never actually had Stralman under contract, so we never really "had" him. The Rags signed him after the preseason and he helped take them to the SCF. THEN Stralman went again with the Lightning last season! So no, I don't think we were that stupid, to answer your question. Agreed, we were less stupid. They let him go after he had a great season. We just didn't sign him after a good camp? Not as dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) On April 3, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Martyisth3b3st said: Different scenario, but I suppose it adds to your "lol devilz management sux" argument so you'll look past that lol no that's not where i was going with this. But it's a bit hypocrite to mock the Rangers for passing on a guy when we passed on him ourselves. i know the situations were different but still, Rangers had cap issues that's also something we'll willingly ignore in order to blindly make fun of them. Edited April 4, 2016 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 5 minutes ago, Martyisth3b3st said: Stralman was a top defenseman and a huge reason that team made a cup run. The scenarios are wildly different. it must be really tiring being you. actually not at all i barely sleep or need sleep. But thanks for caring, means a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 I know where you're coming from SD, but to be fair, Stralman wouldn't have made a difference for us that season, or the past two years (what was that, two seasons ago)? Our problem was, and remains, offensive firepower. What he brings to the table isn't anything that would've made our wins/losses record any different. So, considering that, passing on him at the time doesn't really bother me. However, he provides what has been sorely needed by the Rangers this season and last. And the reasoning for letting him go was essentially to be able to pay more money for some of their current problems. So yeah, much much much bigger oversight on the part of the Rangers than us. I'm not bothered that we missed out on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Different scenario, but I suppose it adds to your "lol devilz management sux" argument so you'll look past that lol no that's not where i was going with this. But it's a bit hypocrite to mock the Rangers for passing on a guy when we passed on him ourselves. i know the situations were different but still, Rangers had cap issues that's also something we'll willingly ignore in order to blindly make fun of them. I suppose your point holds some merit, but asking us to not make fun of/pick on the Rangers mistakes is like us asking you to not laugh at the downward spiral that was the Montreal Canadiens this year. Also, the Rangers cap problems are friggin hilarious, a responsible team is going to make moves so they have flexibility in changing their roster. Sent from my C6725 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 It's more about hoping that Mozik turns into something good, rather than making fun of the Rangers, I think. We're hoping Mozik becomes a good player, and it would just be a bonus that we stole him from the Rangers. At best, it would be a situation similar to the Stralman one. Although, I can't say that Stralman would have been in the Devils' long term future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 5 hours ago, RizzMB30 said: I suppose your point holds some merit, but asking us to not make fun of/pick on the Rangers mistakes is like us asking you to not laugh at the downward spiral that was the Montreal Canadiens this year. Also, the Rangers cap problems are friggin hilarious, a responsible team is going to make moves so they have flexibility in changing their roster. Sent from my C6725 using Tapatalk well i'm not asking anyone to not make fun of the Rangers haha i get what you're saying but the MTL thing is not the same really... if MTL would not have a lot of people at their game... i wouldnt make fun of their empty seats you know lol that'd be slightly hypocrite. for the "responsible team" thing well it's the same thig haha on top of your head, name me another team who had to play an entire game down a player cause they were over the cap. I can only think of us... and at the same time well we burned an ELC year of a below average player cause we were in a corner too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 12 hours ago, SterioDesign said: well i'm not asking anyone to not make fun of the Rangers haha i get what you're saying but the MTL thing is not the same really... if MTL would not have a lot of people at their game... i wouldnt make fun of their empty seats you know lol that'd be slightly hypocrite. for the "responsible team" thing well it's the same thig haha on top of your head, name me another team who had to play an entire game down a player cause they were over the cap. I can only think of us... and at the same time well we burned an ELC year of a below average player cause we were in a corner too. Ugh, don't remind us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 Patty is back tonight! Blandisi is out though. @TGfireandice: Patrik Elias will play tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 20 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Patty is back tonight! Blandisi is out though. @TGfireandice: Patrik Elias will play tonight Hope Patrik has a lot of fun these next three games. Hope Patrik scores a goal or two. Hope the next time we see Patrik in a Devils jersey, after this season, is at his jersey retirement ceremony next season. Thanks for everything Patty. Very good player and one terrific Devil. Hell of a career. Currently 92nd all-time in games played, 87th in goals scored (211th in goals per game, which is pretty damned good considering that he played much of his career on a defensive-minded team in the Dead Puck Era), 76th in assists, 77th in points (162nd overall...see comments on goals per game), 94th in +/-, 26th in game-winning goals (not sure when the NHL started keeping track of that stat). And of course, if you take out his developmental years and decline years, his numbers from 1999-00 to 2013-14: 989 GP, 356 G, 535 A, 891 Pts, 0.900 points-per-game, +155 Re: the bolded, he was remarkably consistent during this timeframe from a PPG standpoint, considering that Lou didn't always hook Patrik up with ideal talent: 1999-00 1.000 2000-01 1.171 2001-02 0.813 2002-03 0.704 2003-04 0.987 2005-06 1.184 2006-07 0.932 2007-08 0.734 2008-09 1.012 2009-10 0.827 2010-11 0.765 2011-12 0.963 2012-13 0.750 2013-14 0.815 And this for a franchise and an era that, for the most part, didn't exactly encourage strong offensive numbers...yet somehow Patrik managed averages of 30 goals and 44 assists per 82 GP over these seasons. Thank you again Patrik! For all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 44 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: Hope Patrik has a lot of fun these next three games. Hope Patrik scores a goal or two. Hope the next time we see Patrik in a Devils jersey, after this season, is at his jersey retirement ceremony next season. Thanks for everything Patty. Very good player and one terrific Devil. Hell of a career. Currently 92nd all-time in games played, 87th in goals scored (211th in goals per game, which is pretty damned good considering that he played much of his career on a defensive-minded team in the Dead Puck Era), 76th in assists, 77th in points (162nd overall...see comments on goals per game), 94th in +/-, 26th in game-winning goals (not sure when the NHL started keeping track of that stat). And of course, if you take out his developmental years and decline years, his numbers from 1999-00 to 2013-14: 989 GP, 356 G, 535 A, 891 Pts, 0.900 points-per-game, +155 Re: the bolded, he was remarkably consistent during this timeframe from a PPG standpoint, considering that Lou didn't always hook Patrik up with ideal talent: 1999-00 1.000 2000-01 1.171 2001-02 0.813 2002-03 0.704 2003-04 0.987 2005-06 1.184 2006-07 0.932 2007-08 0.734 2008-09 1.012 2009-10 0.827 2010-11 0.765 2011-12 0.963 2012-13 0.750 2013-14 0.815 And this for a franchise and an era that, for the most part, didn't exactly encourage strong offensive numbers...yet somehow Patrik managed averages of 30 goals and 44 assists per 82 GP over these seasons. Thank you again Patrik! For all of it. I wouldn't be totally adverse to bringing him back on a one year deal where most of the money is tied to incentives. Jarome Iginla still seems to be a very effective player and he's only a year younger. Guess it would ultimately depend on how healthy he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Daniel said: I wouldn't be totally adverse to bringing him back on a one year deal where most of the money is tied to incentives. Jarome Iginla still seems to be a very effective player and he's only a year younger. Guess it would ultimately depend on how healthy he is. No for me. No more aging "if" guys. That's all Patrik would be now...well, IF he can stay healthy and IF he can produce...I'm guessing if he were to come back, he might play 40 games and might somehow average about a half-point per game. Let someone else take a flyer on him. I just think it gets to a point where you definitively say "That's it" and you move on...from the player, anyway. I would love it if Patrik still wanted to be part of the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said: No for me. No more aging "if" guys. That's all Patrik would be now...well, IF he can stay healthy and IF he can produce...I'm guessing if he were to come back, he might play 40 games and might somehow average about a half-point per game. Let someone else take a flyer on him. I just think it gets to a point where you definitively say "That's it" and you move on...from the player, anyway. I would love it if Patrik still wanted to be part of the organization. Get what you're saying. I guess my point was more that I wouldn't be all that upset either way. There's a more than insignificant chance that he would be a net positive on the ice next year. But there is virtually no chance that we've got an ageless wonder on our hands like Jagr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sislo on waivers. Could Zacha be drawing in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 34 minutes ago, SMantzas said: Sislo on waivers. Could Zacha be drawing in? who are you following to find that out, cause with TG gone I have heard nothing Devils related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wensink Posted April 6, 2016 Share Posted April 6, 2016 I think it lets Elias play and gets Blandisi back in. 48 minutes ago, SMantzas said: Sislo on waivers. Could Zacha be drawing in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted April 6, 2016 Author Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sislo on waivers suggests that they are intending to use a regular recall on him, that's all. They would have to send him back to Albany if everyone's healthy enough to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Chere dropping the info bombs with TG gone: @Ledger_NJDevils: Pavel Zacha may stop briefly in New Jersey, but plan is for him to join Albany and play in AHL playoffs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonDreads Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 @NJDevilsPR #NJDevils have assigned forward Pavel Zacha from Sarnia (OHL) to Albany. In addition, the club has recalled Zacha from Albany to New Jersey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I heard there will be a video tribute to Lou tomorrow night... With Zacha making his NHL debut and Patty quite possibly playing in his last game, it will be a good blend of honoring the past while looking forward to the future. Should be a fun and emotional night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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