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NLinfante    21
3 hours ago, RizzMB30 said:

 


I don't know if I'm really interested in Duchene especially if it means Severson is part of the deal. I think it would be an extra trade too far. With Zajac, Henrique (who we know can be moved to wing), Hischier, McCleod, and Boyle to name as natural centers, I don't see where Duchene fits not only on the roster, but under the salary cap if you see Hischier or McCleod as long-term solutions.

Now if Henrique is going the other way, COL might have my attention.

Henrique, a dman not named Severson and a first round maybe.



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Right, and I'm not necessarily advocating for a deal, but it's not because of our depth at center; it's due to the cost.

Zajac is hurt, we don't know what's going to happen with Boyle (although we all wish him the best) and McLoed has been outperformed in the preseason by other youngsters. I think there is more than enough room for a top 2 center on this team right now. I agree though, losing Severson doesn't seem to make sense.

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mfitz804    1,441
35 minutes ago, NLinfante said:

Right, and I'm not necessarily advocating for a deal, but it's not because of our depth at center; it's due to the cost.

Zajac is hurt, we don't know what's going to happen with Boyle (although we all wish him the best) and McLoed has been outperformed in the preseason by other youngsters. I think there is more than enough room for a top 2 center on this team right now. I agree though, losing Severson doesn't seem to make sense.

Agree totally with all of these points. 

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Devilsfan118    758

Henrique + Santini, sure.

That doesn't get Duchene though, and I wouldn't want anything to do with him at a higher cost.

No way I include either our 1st or Severson.

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mfitz804    1,441

I’m sure there is a way to get it done, but I think you’re right, price is too high. 

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Nicomo    436

I wouldn't even move Santini. Too thin on defense already. 

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RizzMB30    106
I wouldn't even move Santini. Too thin on defense already. 


Santini is going to be special alongside Butcher.

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HellOnICE    59

We need more D, not less. I think we have some good D, but I think we need a front pairing guy. 

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MadDog2020    1,925
 

I don't know if I'm really interested in Duchene especially if it means Severson is part of the deal. I think it would be an extra trade too far. With Zajac, Henrique (who we know can be moved to wing), Hischier, McCleod, and Boyle to name as natural centers, I don't see where Duchene fits not only on the roster, but under the salary cap if you see Hischier or McCleod as long-term solutions.

 

Now if Henrique is going the other way, COL might have my attention.

 

Henrique, a dman not named Severson and a first round maybe.

 

 

 

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Yeah not a chance I'm trading our 2018 1st for anything, let alone Matt Duchene. This is another great draft, and that's very likely a high lottery pick.

 

 

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NLinfante    21

McLoed was invisible tonight, while Bratt was excellent again. I'm still not on board with trading the farm for Duchene, but we clearly are weak at C because MM is not an option this year.

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Satans Hockey    726

Dallas is retiring Jere Lehtinen's number, seems weird to do it after all these years now. I know he was a big player on their 99 cup team but other than that he really didn't do much. Only had  2 seasons of 30+ goals and only 2 seasons of 50+ points. Doesn't seem worthy to me. 

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1 hour ago, Satans Hockey said:

Dallas is retiring Jere Lehtinen's number, seems weird to do it after all these years now. I know he was a big player on their 99 cup team but other than that he really didn't do much. Only had  2 seasons of 30+ goals and only 2 seasons of 50+ points. Doesn't seem worthy to me. 

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mfitz804    1,441

Article in today’s Post about how Kevin Hayes and others are upset because the league is requiring them to wear visors that actually go over their eyes, as if they thought clear plastic visors were intended for forehead protection. 

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CommonDreads    459
2 hours ago, mfitz804 said:

Article in today’s Post about how Kevin Hayes and others are upset because the league is requiring them to wear visors that actually go over their eyes, as if they thought clear plastic visors were intended for forehead protection. 

NYR players need their visors tilted up more to protect their eyes from the Broadway Bright Lights brah

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RizzMB30    106
NYR players need their visors tilted up more to protect their eyes from the Broadway Bright Lights brah

 

I'm on my morning commute and this made me laugh so hard I spit out my coffee.

 

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CommonDreads    459
Just now, RizzMB30 said:

 


I'm on my morning commute and you made me laugh so hard I spit out my coffee.

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Lmao can never be too careful though, Lights so bright they'll burn your retina brah

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21 hours ago, Satans Hockey said:

Dallas is retiring Jere Lehtinen's number, seems weird to do it after all these years now. I know he was a big player on their 99 cup team but other than that he really didn't do much. Only had  2 seasons of 30+ goals and only 2 seasons of 50+ points. Doesn't seem worthy to me. 

You can't go strictly by quick-glance offensive glamour numbers for these things.

He did play his entire career there (14 seasons, 875 regular season games and 108 playoff games) and was a career +176 in the regular season (he was even or better in all but his last season).  He won three Selke trophies (was in the Top 3 in three other seasons) and was tied for second in playoff goals (10) as his team won the 1999 Stanley Cup.  Seems like he was a very good two-way player for a long time. 

I'll give you that, for the most part, if a franchise feels like a player is worthy of getting his number retired, that taking over seven years to get to that point is a little odd...especially if the player calls it quits and doesn't continue his career for a while elsewhere (as was the case with Niedermayer).  To me I think you know fairly quickly whether or not you think a particular player deserves such a high honor...but it's not like we haven't seen "delayed" jersey retirement ceremonies before. 

I think the people who are the true authority on jersey retirements are the fans themselves...the ones who watched the majority of Lehtinen's career...do THEY think that Lehtinen is worthy?  Do THEY feel like this was somewhat overdue?  I feel like every Devil who's gotten his number retired 100% deserved it, no debate...Niedermayer's was a little bit weird because his #27 was still issued after he left (off the top of my head Barry Tallackson and Mike Mottau wore it after Nieds left), but that really wasn't a big deal, nor did it detract from Scott's night in the slightest.  Do Dallas fans feel as strongly about Lehtinen?  Only they can answer that.  As complete outsiders, it's just too hard for us to make a definitive case either way.   

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Satans Hockey    726

I'll have to browse hf boards and see what Dallas Stars fans think. From my perspective there are a number of things that would annoy me, they still kept Goldsworthy and Masterton retired jerseys even though they never played for Dallas and they retired Broten's number too even though it was mainly for his Minnesota days. I just don't understand the paying homage to an old team that has nothing to do with your city except for moving there. It means nothing to the fans in the new city. Let the Wild retire those numbers, those are the fans that watched those players. It just reminded me that it is kind of like us paying homage to teams nobody cares about in our jerseys. 

At least Modano and Lehtinen makes sense. 

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1 hour ago, Satans Hockey said:

I'll have to browse hf boards and see what Dallas Stars fans think. From my perspective there are a number of things that would annoy me, they still kept Goldsworthy and Masterton retired jerseys even though they never played for Dallas and they retired Broten's number too even though it was mainly for his Minnesota days. I just don't understand the paying homage to an old team that has nothing to do with your city except for moving there. It means nothing to the fans in the new city. Let the Wild retire those numbers, those are the fans that watched those players. It just reminded me that it is kind of like us paying homage to teams nobody cares about in our jerseys. 

At least Modano and Lehtinen makes sense. 

If a relocating franchise chooses to hang on to its history (most do, though the when the original Cleveland Browns left for Baltimore, they left their history in Cleveland), I can't fault them one bit for not doing away with previously retired jerseys, even if those players won't be nearly as relevant to the new fanbase.  I've always felt it was a bit odd that the Devils never included Scouts and Rockies numbers in with their own, especially since you had several Rockies play as Devils (and Scouts as Rockies)...with the Scouts, there's no Devils...not as we know them, anyway.  But as I've previously detailed, paying homage to the Scouts and Rockies in the Devils jersey design just made no sense and wasn't being clamored for by anyone. 

The most bizarre claiming of history I've ever seen is what the Senators did when they entered the NHL in 1992...they basically snagged the history of the previous Senators club (in the NHL from 1917-1934) that won four NHL Cups in the 1920s and claimed it as their own.  I've actually heard Ottawa fans state that they've won 11 Cups...the current franchise actually has banners for ALL of the previous franchise's Cup wins on display, even the pre-NHL Cups...I'm sorry, but this is a bit weird to me...this current Senators franchise has NOTHING to do with that one, outside of playing in the same city and sharing a team nickname: 

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=TwVskuMN&id=E2C7F5F3CE780A8150D53C3E912BACD0DD64FF5C&thid=OIP.TwVskuMNKA0NpNEE0TR1HwEsDh&q=ottawa+senators+championship+banner&simid=608037761637090679&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

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DevsMan84    605

I have sometimes wondered if the Scout and Rockies were more successful then the Devils would celebrate them more.  Between the 8 years they were in KC and Denver, they had only made the playoffs once and that was because their division was incredibly weak and the playoff format back then benefiting them.  The biggest stars between those two teams were probably McDonald (who wasn't on the team all that long), Chico, Beck, Ramage (also only played a short time and later didn't want to move to NJ), Paiement, Robert (was already starting to be past his prime and started to become more and more injured).  Outside of those they really didn't have much big names to really latch onto.

The Ottawa thing is indeed weird and they really should be embarrassed.  Vancouver did something similar with their Millionaires alternate jersey.  It's a team that played 100 years ago and never even played in the NHL.  Only connection was that they played in the same city.

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39 minutes ago, Colorado Rockies 1976 said:

If a relocating franchise chooses to hang on to its history (most do, though the when the original Cleveland Browns left for Baltimore, they left their history in Cleveland), I can't fault them one bit for not doing away with previously retired jerseys, even if those players won't be nearly as relevant to the new fanbase.  I've always felt it was a bit odd that the Devils never included Scouts and Rockies numbers in with their own, especially since you had several Rockies play as Devils (and Scouts as Rockies)...with the Scouts, there's no Devils...not as we know them, anyway.  But as I've previously detailed, paying homage to the Scouts and Rockies in the Devils jersey design just made no sense and wasn't being clamored for by anyone. 

The most bizarre claiming of history I've ever seen is what the Senators did when they entered the NHL in 1992...they basically snagged the history of the previous Senators club (in the NHL from 1917-1934) that won four NHL Cups in the 1920s and claimed it as their own.  I've actually heard Ottawa fans state that they've won 11 Cups...the current franchise actually has banners for ALL of the previous franchise's Cup wins on display, even the pre-NHL Cups...I'm sorry, but this is a bit weird to me...this current Senators franchise has NOTHING to do with that one, outside of playing in the same city and sharing a team nickname: 

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=TwVskuMN&id=E2C7F5F3CE780A8150D53C3E912BACD0DD64FF5C&thid=OIP.TwVskuMNKA0NpNEE0TR1HwEsDh&q=ottawa+senators+championship+banner&simid=608037761637090679&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

I know they left their history in Cleveland, at least that's the agreement that the NFL worked out, but really that unbroken franchise line goes from Cleveland to Baltimore. And the team that took its place, despite the name and colors are not the old Browns. It was an expansion team just like the Jags and Panthers, starting from scratch. I'll always see the Browns as the Ravens.

In a weird sense it's almost like the Browns misfortune now is like punishment for raising the dead. It's like Pet Sematary.

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MadDog2020    1,925
NYR players need their visors tilted up more to protect their eyes from the Broadway Bright Lights brah

Rangerstown brah. Worlds most famous arena brah. Can't have the visors interfere with the view of the bright spotlight brah.


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'7'    571
59 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said:


Rangerstown brah. Worlds most famous arena brah. Can't have the visors interfere with the view of the bright spotlight brah.


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Beginnins Brah, watch how I grew up in Moose Groin Alberta a die hard Rangers fan brah. Watch it 97 times a day on the MSG Network brah.

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I agree '7', the whole Browns history-that-isn't-really-their-history thing is more symbolic and an attempt to create continuity more than anything else...almost a way for Browns fans to somehow block out the fact that their team was actually ripped away from them before the NFL was added them another.

2 hours ago, DevsMan84 said:

I have sometimes wondered if the Scout and Rockies were more successful then the Devils would celebrate them more.  Between the 8 years they were in KC and Denver, they had only made the playoffs once and that was because their division was incredibly weak and the playoff format back then benefiting them.  The biggest stars between those two teams were probably McDonald (who wasn't on the team all that long), Chico, Beck, Ramage (also only played a short time and later didn't want to move to NJ), Paiement, Robert (was already starting to be past his prime and started to become more and more injured).  Outside of those they really didn't have much big names to really latch onto.

The Ottawa thing is indeed weird and they really should be embarrassed.  Vancouver did something similar with their Millionaires alternate jersey.  It's a team that played 100 years ago and never even played in the NHL.  Only connection was that they played in the same city.

The Vancouver thing isn't that bad to me because it's more of a brief nod to local hockey history...snagging the history of a long-defunct hockey franchise and deciding to claim their championships is something else entirely.  What the new Sens did was a complete joke.

As you know, I'm very familiar with Scouts and Rockies history...Paiement and McDonald were their best players (Paiement was traded for McDonald in a multi-player deal...McDonald was actually quite bummed about being traded again less than two years later).  Ramage played three seasons with the Rockies and was a staggering -133 (shows how awful those teams were more than anything else).  And yeah, it was crazy that the 77-78 Rockies made the playoffs...19 wins in 80 games pretty much says it all...they won exactly TWO road games all season long.  Chico was a solid goalie at the end of his prime who didn't stand a chance on that team...they were abysmal defensively.  Unfortunately Beck was dealt under the usual circumstances:  lose the best player in the trade and get a batch of decent and/or pretty good bodies in return.  Always quality for quantity.

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Daniel    374

And now it looks like kneeling during the anthem is coming to the NHL.  

http://bayareane.ws/2xz0gfI

Thanks SJWs for ruining something else.  I would suggest that Ward not come to the United States if he hates the place so much.  Who am I kidding, I guess he's got principles and all, but he loves loves his giant paycheck.  

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Triumph    644

Yeah, Ward's probably best remembered by non-hockey fans as the target of online racist invective when he scored a series-winner against Boston; I can't see what problems he would have with continued racial inequality and discrimination.

I can't tell who's doing irony here, but I would be surprised if this happens only insofar as hockey is obsessed with players not becoming 'a distraction' - the worst thing you can do as a teammate is have a media person ask a question about someone who isn't you and isn't about hockey.

 

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