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34 minutes ago, '7' said:

Well, when we took him on he had already had the incident so I think they knew a suspension was brewing. I still hope he can turn things around and have a good career because his talent level is quite high. Didn't do much last year, but you rarely see guys who switch teams mid season be productive...plus he had nobody to throw the ball to him.

fwiw I see the Jets taking OJ Howard in some mock drafts now. I could go for that, especially if Sefarian-Jenkins gets his sh!t together. Howard is being talked about in the same breath as Jimmy Graham.

I'd be curious to find out how many TEs drafted in the first two rounds in say the past five years have turned out to be any good.  Ever since Gronk and Graham, every other team has been trying to do the same thing with what seems to be very little success.  The only one that comes to mind who has succeeded is Eiffert, and he's only been pretty good and probably owes a lot of his success to being on the field with AJ Green.

Seems a lot like NHL teams drafting big guys who didn't put up a lot of points in junior in hope of finding that elusive next Milan Lucic.

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2 hours ago, Daniel said:

I'd be curious to find out how many TEs drafted in the first two rounds in say the past five years have turned out to be any good.  Ever since Gronk and Graham, every other team has been trying to do the same thing with what seems to be very little success.  The only one that comes to mind who has succeeded is Eiffert, and he's only been pretty good and probably owes a lot of his success to being on the field with AJ Green.

Seems a lot like NHL teams drafting big guys who didn't put up a lot of points in junior in hope of finding that elusive next Milan Lucic.

The Jets thought they had one when Jace Amaro slipped to them. He had a so-so rookie campaign, got hurt, and couldn't even stick with our terrible club afterwards. This guy was projected to be a TE who could catch 80 balls a year

The NFL is such a passing league that stats can be receiving. But the physical presence, the reach, the vertical leap of the true great TE's and the constant attention they get is what sets them apart from the fly by night Gary Barnidge type catch a bunch of checkdowns down 27-3 type of player. 

Even somebody like Ebron has been something of a disappointment (though his numbers are steadily climbing) but he isn't the red zone threat everybody thought he would be.

I think the Steelers may have a future beast in Jesse James. Annoys the hell out of me. The rich get richer.

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Very troubling to hear this kind of rhetoric by Bowles. Idiotic. What coach has ever spoken so apathetically?

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/67820/jets-todd-bowles-raises-eyebrows-with-comments-on-punctuality

 

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Bowles downplayed the lateness issue from a team standpoint.

"You're going to always have tardiness with players. It's part of it," he said. "Sometimes you're late to work. It's life. It's not life threatening. Those guys, after that, were sharp, and they were fine, and we didn't have a problem with them after that. Sometimes your alarm clock isn't going to go off."

A New York radio host got wind of the comments and launched into an over-the-top rant against Bowles, questioning his ability to maintain discipline. Relax, folks, it's only March.

He just doesn't get it.

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I'd say Bowles just lost the benefit of the doubt. 

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29 minutes ago, '7' said:

Very troubling to hear this kind of rhetoric by Bowles. Idiotic. What coach has ever spoken so apathetically?

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/67820/jets-todd-bowles-raises-eyebrows-with-comments-on-punctuality

 

He just doesn't get it.

I wonder how many teams, and even good ones with coaches that are considered to be good, put up with some degree of tardiness.  You take the inverse in looking at Joe Philbin who had such an attention to detail that he apparently would go nuts if words were in the wrong color on powerpoint presentations.  He didn't turn out to be so good as a coach.

Not really trying to defend Bowles and it's not some plot to have Jets execs taking the advice of a Dolphins fan, but it does seem to me that some of the stuff that's been reported about what Bowles and McCagnen have said in the past month or so have been blown out of proportion.  For example, when both were asked about the draft, they each said they wouldn't rule out taking a QB at number 6, which is basically what you're supposed to say, i.e. give no real hint about who you plan to draft.  (McCagnon also said that trading down and gathering more picks might be the most preferable option).  It gets blown up to mean that the Jets are definitely taking Watson or whoever. 

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51 minutes ago, '7' said:

Very troubling to hear this kind of rhetoric by Bowles. Idiotic. What coach has ever spoken so apathetically?

http://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/67820/jets-todd-bowles-raises-eyebrows-with-comments-on-punctuality

 

He just doesn't get it.

I didn't even want to post this...cause my response would've needed to be bleeped out. But any win now approach would clearly be foolish with this clown as a coach. Just lose this year, fire Bowles and go from there. 

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14 minutes ago, Daniel said:

I wonder how many teams, and even good ones with coaches that are considered to be good, put up with some degree of tardiness.  You take the inverse in looking at Joe Philbin who had such an attention to detail that he apparently would go nuts if words were in the wrong color on powerpoint presentations.  He didn't turn out to be so good as a coach.

Not really trying to defend Bowles and it's not some plot to have Jets execs taking the advice of a Dolphins fan, but it does seem to me that some of the stuff that's been reported about what Bowles and McCagnen have said in the past month or so have been blown out of proportion.  For example, when both were asked about the draft, they each said they wouldn't rule out taking a QB at number 6, which is basically what you're supposed to say, i.e. give no real hint about who you plan to draft.  (McCagnon also said that trading down and gathering more picks might be the most preferable option).  It gets blown up to mean that the Jets are definitely taking Watson or whoever. 

Sometimes it depends on the team you have. If it's a veteran team, been through the wars and have proven they can turn the light switch and perform...then yea perhaps you can tolerate some of that. While a young, cocky team may need more structure and discipline.

I'm sure the true great ones have gotten away with a lot. Parcells and Belichick knew what was up with LT, but when you have a player that good, who is literally triple teamed at times...you put up with it, you cover it up, you give him slaps on the wrist. Because keeping him on the field is critical to you keeping your job.

Philbin almost reminds me of Mangini when he first got to the Jets. Almost unreasonably and excessively buttoned up and attention to detail, but no track record of success. Coughlin was the same way only he let up a bit and found a balance...it worked for the Giants. But at the end things got too wild and out of hand for him again

 

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34 minutes ago, Daniel said:

I wonder how many teams, and even good ones with coaches that are considered to be good, put up with some degree of tardiness.  You take the inverse in looking at Joe Philbin who had such an attention to detail that he apparently would go nuts if words were in the wrong color on powerpoint presentations.  He didn't turn out to be so good as a coach.

Not really trying to defend Bowles and it's not some plot to have Jets execs taking the advice of a Dolphins fan, but it does seem to me that some of the stuff that's been reported about what Bowles and McCagnen have said in the past month or so have been blown out of proportion.  For example, when both were asked about the draft, they each said they wouldn't rule out taking a QB at number 6, which is basically what you're supposed to say, i.e. give no real hint about who you plan to draft.  (McCagnon also said that trading down and gathering more picks might be the most preferable option).  It gets blown up to mean that the Jets are definitely taking Watson or whoever. 

If this was Parcells saying it about LT that's one thing, but this is Bowles saying it in general AFTER Mo and Sheldon walked all over him with repeated latenesses. It's not only soft but completely tone deaf.

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20 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

I didn't even want to post this...cause my response would've needed to be bleeped out. But any win now approach would clearly be foolish with this clown as a coach. Just lose this year, fire Bowles and go from there. 

Bowles showed such a lack of leadership ability, game-planning ability, lack of discipline, lack of understanding of situational football...that to me this year it was impossible to bring him back. And he's STILL making a fool of himself.

If I was the owner, and sure the papers would kill me and the Jets would get labeled an embarrassment as usual, I would fire him after those comments. Sometimes as an owner you need to do these things to set a tone.

I don't know what the future holds for Petty, Hackenberg, and whatever picks we bring in this year...but I sure as hell don't want any of them "developing" in a Todd Bowles culture anymore. I don't care if you have to crawl back to Gailey to get him to be an interim coach for a year, just get somebody else in here.

Rex Ryan was far from perfect, but at least they didn't quit on him, they tried, they played with pride, and at the very least Ryan tried to be a leader. Not only do you get the circus with Bowles, but you get quitting on the field, you get this meek mumbling BS, you have guys out of shape just there for the paycheck.

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15 minutes ago, NJDevs4978 said:

If this was Parcells saying it about LT that's one thing, but this is Bowles saying it in general AFTER Mo and Sheldon walked all over him with repeated latenesses. It's not only soft but completely tone deaf.

And Revis for some reason showing up 20lbs overweight last year. You can even go back to the Geno/IK incident. As time goes on I realize any success this team had in 2015 was mostly Gailey and good luck.

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Jets selected Safety, Jamal Adams last night. They say it's a gift that he fell to the Jets. No one seemed to have him dropping any further than 2 or 3.

Seems like a good pick.. but this is the 10th time the Jets have drafted defense in the 1st round since 2007. We'll see.

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The Jets are really annoying me tonight.  The only thing Maccagnan can do right at the draft is take the no-brainer that falls into his lap in the first round.  Are they ever going to address the offensive line?  EVER?

At least he sort of rebounded by taking the Alabama WR, trading down and missing out on a couple of o-linemen did annoy me at the time.  And the second safety was odd to put it mildly though I would have been okay with a corner cause the secondary has been god awful for a while.

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Seems like Maccagnan wants to do trades for the sake of doing them now.  A 6th rounder to move down TWENTY spots, really?

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Yea. Maccagnan is pretty much outsmarting himself. Though I do like the Alabama WR. Seems like a very high effort player with a good skill set

Question the wisdom of a 2nd safety. I mean yea if this one works out too then our defensive backfield is set for the next decade...but a lot of other areas needed to be addressed as well. But I kind of see Macc as trying to assemble a new LOB as they had in Seattle, and starting with the safeties.

As it stands the Jets could be putting a pretty good defense on the field next season

 

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Both these safeties seem like the same player though, more SS types that can stop the run instead of FS.  And now two WR's is also weird.  Doesn't exactly say a lot for the guys Mac's been picking (Devin, Robby Anderson, Peake, Jalin Marshall) when you pick two mid-round WR's with Decker and Enunwa though at this rate Decker might be gone too.

And the trade downs have been horrendous.  They moved down 34 picks and got two 6th rounders for it.

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Well now we know why they drafted two receivers in the middle rounds - or one reason anyway, apparently Devin Smith tore his ACL and is out for the season lol...dude just could never stay healthy.

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4 hours ago, NJDevs4978 said:

Both these safeties seem like the same player though, more SS types that can stop the run instead of FS.  And now two WR's is also weird.  Doesn't exactly say a lot for the guys Mac's been picking (Devin, Robby Anderson, Peake, Jalin Marshall) when you pick two mid-round WR's with Decker and Enunwa though at this rate Decker might be gone too.

And the trade downs have been horrendous.  They moved down 34 picks and got two 6th rounders for it.

Devin Smith tore his ACL. He's out for the season. And with Jalin Marshalls suspension I bet he'll be gone too

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I feel more bad than angry for Smith at this point. It's a total bust all around but...who knows if he ever had the ability, he just couldn't stay healthy.

And he was always healthy in college too.

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On ‎4‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 2:16 PM, NJDevs4978 said:

Both these safeties seem like the same player though, more SS types that can stop the run instead of FS.  And now two WR's is also weird.  Doesn't exactly say a lot for the guys Mac's been picking (Devin, Robby Anderson, Peake, Jalin Marshall) when you pick two mid-round WR's with Decker and Enunwa though at this rate Decker might be gone too.

And the trade downs have been horrendous.  They moved down 34 picks and got two 6th rounders for it.

Yeah drafting 2 safeties shocked me, I would have liked to have seen a Cover corner in the 2nd round...

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On 4/29/2017 at 2:16 PM, NJDevs4978 said:

Both these safeties seem like the same player though, more SS types that can stop the run instead of FS.  And now two WR's is also weird.  Doesn't exactly say a lot for the guys Mac's been picking (Devin, Robby Anderson, Peake, Jalin Marshall) when you pick two mid-round WR's with Decker and Enunwa though at this rate Decker might be gone too.

And the trade downs have been horrendous.  They moved down 34 picks and got two 6th rounders for it.

My feeling is that Decker will stick around. Decker actually did a nice job playing with not only Geno Smith but Tim Tebow. For that I think they'd want him around as somebody who can be a reliable target for Hackenberg, who I'm sure they're all rooting for to win the job. Chad Hansen who we took in the 4th was projected to be a 3rd and has terrific hands and is a good route runner (though not overly fast) so he projects to be another safety blanket type for Hackenberg.

I guess in Macc's defense, Peake was late round. Marshall undrafted. Anderson undrafted. Anderson has a future in the league but the other two may only make it as special teamers. Devin Smith was a bust unfortunately but even in college he was simply a deep threat and nothing more. Though I guess it's some consolation that nobody taken around him in 2015 is exactly lighting the NFL on fire either...though it would've been nice to get somebody productive out of that slot.

I would guess the Jets sign some late camp veteran cut to play CB opposite Claiborne. Next year if they're not drafting QB #1, they may be drafting CB. But at that point they're likely hoping the CB will be a final piece to the puzzle on defense

 

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19 minutes ago, '7' said:

My feeling is that Decker will stick around. Decker actually did a nice job playing with not only Geno Smith but Tim Tebow. For that I think they'd want him around as somebody who can be a reliable target for Hackenberg, who I'm sure they're all rooting for to win the job. Chad Hansen who we took in the 4th was projected to be a 3rd and has terrific hands and is a good route runner (though not overly fast) so he projects to be another safety blanket type for Hackenberg.

I guess in Macc's defense, Peake was late round. Marshall undrafted. Anderson undrafted. Anderson has a future in the league but the other two may only make it as special teamers. Devin Smith was a bust unfortunately but even in college he was simply a deep threat and nothing more. Though I guess it's some consolation that nobody taken around him in 2015 is exactly lighting the NFL on fire either...though it would've been nice to get somebody productive out of that slot.

I would guess the Jets sign some late camp veteran cut to play CB opposite Claiborne. Next year if they're not drafting QB #1, they may be drafting CB. But at that point they're likely hoping the CB will be a final piece to the puzzle on defense

 

Maccagnan was on Francesa a couple of days ago.  Was asked specifically about Decker.  While obviously he didn't say anything definitive, it sounded to me like he's going to be cut. 

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19 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Maccagnan was on Francesa a couple of days ago.  Was asked specifically about Decker.  While obviously he didn't say anything definitive, it sounded to me like he's going to be cut. 

Oh. Did not hear that. Was hoping he'd stick around but...cap room is cap room and this is a tank season. I don't think we're doing Hackenberg any favors cutting him.

If these safeties work out (and I think Adams is can't miss) then the Jets could field a pretty decent defense this season. But the offense could be an abject nightmare. They'll probably lose thirteen 17-6 type games this season

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19445601/new-york-jets-sheldon-richardson-glad-brandon-marshall-not-team

 

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"The locker room is a whole lot easier to get along with now," Richardson told reporters. Asked to elaborate, he smiled and said, "Man oh man, y'all are thirsty. Let's just say I've got 15 reasons why it's better."

Ok I admit that's kind of funny. But why is he even keep fighting this war? You don't have to elaborate...just give the stock Lou Lamoriello answer and move on. Did Bowles meet with this clown before the season and tell him this kind of stuff doesn't fly this year? Again no discipline, no accountability. Marshall and Richardson were both equally culpable last year as far as I'm concerned.

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