Derlique Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Patrick has had one of the most impressive draft -1 years in awhile. People are saying that he's on RNH's level as a prospect, but I think he'd be closer to Hall/Seguin level if he had been healthy all year. The guy is 6'3, a definite center with high hockey IQ and has a blistering shot. The idea of a center finishing Hall's beautiful passes has be frothing at the mouth. Zajac was good this year, mind you, but he doesnt have the shot or touch around the net of Nolan. Nico is a great option as well, but I'm 80% Nolan, 20% Nico. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 1 hour ago, SMantzas said: Patrick has had one of the most impressive draft -1 years in awhile. People are saying that he's on RNH's level as a prospect, but I think he'd be closer to Hall/Seguin level if he had been healthy all year. The guy is 6'3, a definite center with high hockey IQ and has a blistering shot. The idea of a center finishing Hall's beautiful passes has be frothing at the mouth. Zajac was good this year, mind you, but he doesnt have the shot or touch around the net of Nolan. Nico is a great option as well, but I'm 80% Nolan, 20% Nico. Doing a quick perusal it looks like Patrick might have had the most ppg as a CHLer, including the playoffs, as draft year -1 in the past ten or so years besides McDavid, Tavares and maybe Hall depending on if I did my math correctly. Again, it's a quick look, so there might be a couple I've missed. Yeah, he's got the very early birthday, but I don't think it matters that much. Should also note that his draft year -1 blows away guys who also played with the some great players such as Dylan Strome and Mitch Marner, and some other real established players like Seguin. So looking more and more to me that if he has a clean bill of health and there aren't any other red flags that Patrick is the safer pick, which is what I would go with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I don't think we can go wrong with either of these players and I won't be upset with whoever we pick. I was really impressed by Nico's performance at the WJC this winter, and how he was able to carry that Swiss team on his back. The kid has serious wheels and hands to match, which is scary to think about since we will likely be facing him a Flyers uniform for the next 10+ years. That said, my choice probably would be Nolan Patrick. Nolan is an all-around player with an NHL body, wicked shot, and great vision. When he's healthy, he's been an absolutely dominant player going up against older and more experienced players in the WHL. However, the injuries do concern me a little bit. It's not enough to draft Nico over him, but it makes it much more of a toss up then it would be if Nolan didn't have the injury issues. It will be interesting to see if the Devils go with Patrick over Nico, especially since Nico seems to fit more of the fast, attacking, and supportive model the Devils have been trying to mold this team into lately. Still, I don't think they will pass on Patrick in the end, unless the doctors come back with something they don't like in their physical evaluations of him prior to the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 40 minutes ago, Daniel said: Doing a quick perusal it looks like Patrick might have had the most ppg as a CHLer, including the playoffs, as draft year -1 in the past ten or so years besides McDavid, Tavares and maybe Hall depending on if I did my math correctly. Again, it's a quick look, so there might be a couple I've missed. Yeah, he's got the very early birthday, but I don't think it matters that much. Should also note that his draft year -1 blows away guys who also played with the some great players such as Dylan Strome and Mitch Marner, and some other real established players like Seguin. So looking more and more to me that if he has a clean bill of health and there aren't any other red flags that Patrick is the safer pick, which is what I would go with. Yeah, that's crazy. Going back to Crosby's draft, I have these 1 OA as definitely higher regarded in their draft year. Crosby Stamkos Tavares Mackinnon McDavid Matthews Kane/Hall are probably slightly ahead, but maybe its even due to Patrick being a center. He's definitely ahead of Ekblad, Yakupov, RNH and Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiquated Colorado Rockie Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 The Devils should be fairly well informed about Patrick, between scouting Quenneville and subsequently watching him in 2015-16, they likely watched quite a bit of Provorov in Brandon as well as he was right in the range of where they took Zacha 6th overall in 2015 (Provorov went 7th). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Just now, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said: The Devils should be fairly well informed about Patrick, between scouting Quenneville and subsequently watching him in 2015-16, they likely watched quite a bit of Provorov in Brandon as well as he was right in the range of where they took Zacha 6th overall in 2015 (Provorov went 7th). Provorov, Quenneville and Zacha were drafted/scouted by the old scouting staff, and I don't think any of them are left. It's possible that the new scouting staff did the same thing while they were with other teams though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, Antiquated Colorado Rockie said: The Devils should be fairly well informed about Patrick, between scouting Quenneville and subsequently watching him in 2015-16, they likely watched quite a bit of Provorov in Brandon as well as he was right in the range of where they took Zacha 6th overall in 2015 (Provorov went 7th). They will have had a ton of information on him before picking him became a possibility. If they don't, well, they're doing a terrible job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 I preface this by saying I know nothing about either player other than reports that I've read and a few highlight videos, but it seems pretty simple- If Patrick gets a clean bill of health, he'll be the pick. It seems to me all of his injury time basically stemmed from a single injury that never quite healed properly, unless I'm missing something? It will be tough for me personally because I have a personal mantra of never trusting someone with two first names but I'll have to make an exception here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiquated Colorado Rockie Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Daniel said: Provorov, Quenneville and Zacha were drafted/scouted by the old scouting staff, and I don't think any of them are left. It's possible that the new scouting staff did the same thing while they were with other teams though. I know Shero brought in Castron, I assumed that some of the old scouting department remains but maybe none do. Good news I suppose if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caron14 Posted May 2, 2017 Author Share Posted May 2, 2017 Dont forget one thing... Shero Draft Mcleod instead of logan Brown last year... he went for speed and flash instead of size... He might do the same things here and Draft Hischier. Everybody from the Québec média... Things that we would be dumb to draft Patrick over Hischier. There was an argument on 91.9 radio about if we are dumb enough to not take Hischier. Im not saying they are right... but I like that everybody here is on Patrick and every in Quebec and Canada are on Hischier. He dominates games against the best. It was a pleasure to saw him in the QJMHL this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 Dont forget one thing... Shero Draft Mcleod instead of logan Brown last year... he went for speed and flash instead of size... He might do the same things here and Draft Hischier. Everybody from the Québec média... Things that we would be dumb to draft Patrick over Hischier. There was an argument on 91.9 radio about if we are dumb enough to not take Hischier. Im not saying they are right... but I like that everybody here is on Patrick and every in Quebec and Canada are on Hischier. He dominates games against the best. It was a pleasure to saw him in the QJMHL this year... Over on HF, some Flyers fans seem to think Shero is trying to get Philly to switch spots, because apparently Hextall wants Hischier and wants to make sure he gets him... It's an interesting theory, considering the Flyers are flush with D prospects (which we lack) and picks. I just can't see that happening though- maybe something like that could work if this wasn't the Flyers we were talking about, but I think there would be some hesitation on both ends to make a deal like that, given the rivalry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 17 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Over on HF, some Flyers fans seem to think Shero is trying to get Philly to switch spots, because apparently Hextall wants Hischier and wants to make sure he gets him... It's an interesting theory, considering the Flyers are flush with D prospects (which we lack) and picks. I just can't see that happening though- maybe something like that could work if this wasn't the Flyers we were talking about, but I think there would be some hesitation on both ends to make a deal like that, given the rivalry. I'd be up for that if Patrick is our target anyway. But if they are willing to do that, maybe Hischier should be our target... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 2, 2017 Share Posted May 2, 2017 55 minutes ago, MadDog2020 said: Over on HF, some Flyers fans seem to think Shero is trying to get Philly to switch spots, because apparently Hextall wants Hischier and wants to make sure he gets him... It's an interesting theory, considering the Flyers are flush with D prospects (which we lack) and picks. I just can't see that happening though- maybe something like that could work if this wasn't the Flyers we were talking about, but I think there would be some hesitation on both ends to make a deal like that, given the rivalry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Shero does have connections to Philly via his late father, so maybe he's more likely to see Philly as just another team in the division rather than a hated rival like the Rangers. And the Flyers apparently were offering a package to move up to number 1 in the '14 draft. Maybe demand someone like Travis Sanheim. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thecoffeecake Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 On 04/30/2017 at 6:38 PM, mfitz804 said: I just feel like you have to be interested in the game to start playing. I guess if you're Canadian and your whole family plays hockey, that may not be the case. I've been heavily involved in soccer since I was pretty young, but aside from a couple years in high school, I haven't been all that interested in the game at a pro level. I watch the big tournaments and I'm familiar with the stars, but not really my thing to sit and watch every day like I do hockey and other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Story on Nolan Patrick (written before the Draft Lottery) - just figured I'd post it in case anyone's not seen it yet and is interested: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/big-read-nolan-patricks-unconventional-road-nhl-draft/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBallofHate Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 One more article to balance it out since I'm not on "team Nolan" - though I'm going to trust our scouting staff (& Ray) to make the appropriate decision: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/why-nolan-patrick-is-no-longer-the-no-1-draft-prospect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munichdevil Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Even without the injury problems I believe the Devils are more likely to draft Hischier than Patrick. After looking at every available footage of the two players, Patrick for me kinda resembles "the old NHL" whereas Hischier is the textbook "modern" lightning fast NHL player. The Devils need to become faster and Hischier is the perfect fit for this. Hischier and Hall would be just perfect together. You can always add Palmieri to the line to add some toughness, but as for speed and skill that would be just so tremendous. As for Patricks injuries, I don't think you can seriously consider drafting him at No 1 when the differences between him and Hischier in terms of what they both bring to the table are so small. Think about it: Everybody will say "I told you so" if Patrick misses his first large chunk of games, which is surely going to happen sooner rather than later. Shero is not gonna risk that, he is too smart for this. And like I said, it's not as if we're talking a Connor McDavid vs Lawson Crouse difference here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 Clipped from Dan Rosen; NP would look good in a Devils sweater "Patrick, from everything I've heard and read, is not the same as Connor McDavid, Jack Eichel or Auston Matthews, but that doesn't mean he can't develop into a true No. 1 NHL center. He doesn't have to be the equivalent of McDavid, Eichel or Matthews to be legit. I'd argue that Nicklas Backstrom, Jonathan Toews, Patrice Bergeron and Anze Kopitar aren't the equivalent to Crosby, McDavid or Evgeni Malkin but still are elite centers. The Devils need a center like that, and Patrick is their best shot of getting one. General managers always say it's incredibly difficult to sign an elite center, that you have to draft one. Here's New Jersey's chance" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caron14 Posted May 3, 2017 Author Share Posted May 3, 2017 5 hours ago, munichdevil said: Even without the injury problems I believe the Devils are more likely to draft Hischier than Patrick. After looking at every available footage of the two players, Patrick for me kinda resembles "the old NHL" whereas Hischier is the textbook "modern" lightning fast NHL player. The Devils need to become faster and Hischier is the perfect fit for this. Hischier and Hall would be just perfect together. You can always add Palmieri to the line to add some toughness, but as for speed and skill that would be just so tremendous. As for Patricks injuries, I don't think you can seriously consider drafting him at No 1 when the differences between him and Hischier in terms of what they both bring to the table are so small. Think about it: Everybody will say "I told you so" if Patrick misses his first large chunk of games, which is surely going to happen sooner rather than later. Shero is not gonna risk that, he is too smart for this. And like I said, it's not as if we're talking a Connor McDavid vs Lawson Crouse difference here. I couldn't agree more. I will take time to analyse both player more closely... But from the games that I saw from Patrick and from Hischier, I would go for Nico right now... I still have a month and a half to confirm or change my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 What bothers me is the "undisclosed injury"............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Jimmy Leeds said: What bothers me is the "undisclosed injury"............ It won't be undisclosed to Shero and crew though. They'll know what the deal is before drafting one of the two, no doubt in my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted May 3, 2017 Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) Since I too know nothing about prospects............except what I've recently read................I'm going to toss my hat in the Nico ring. Yet, I'd prefer a swap with Philly (with something nice tossed in) and let them decide. Consequences be damned Edited May 3, 2017 by Jimmy Leeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 After reading about all of the injuries in depth I am officially #teamnico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted May 5, 2017 Share Posted May 5, 2017 On 5/3/2017 at 3:46 PM, Jimmy Leeds said: Since I too know nothing about prospects............except what I've recently read................I'm going to toss my hat in the Nico ring. Yet, I'd prefer a swap with Philly (with something nice tossed in) and let them decide. Consequences be damned Would a swap be realistic and what in return would we be able to get in doing so? Maybe if it was the Chicago Bears a 1st next year but is Philly that stupid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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