Colorado Rockies 1976

Happy or disappointed with Lou's moves?

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I'd hate to sit Janssen out - oddly enough I think Viktor Kozlov may be the odd man out once again since he really doesn't do very much. We would dress Wiemer at LW and have lines of:

Elias-Gomez-Gionta

Parise-Brylin-Marshall

Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner

Wiemer-Rasmussen-Janssen

I was thinking that too re: Kozlov, since there are no shootouts in the playoffs although does Janssen play the right side? (and does it matter I suppose?)

But I could see why people would think Cam would sit playoff time, traditional fighters don't play too much in the playoffs anyway - rookie or not I don't think that enters into the equation much, the Devils played four rookies big minutes in 2000. Not that Wiemer's much better than Janssen but at least he gives us a better postseason option than Darren Langdon or some sucky Rat if someone gets hurt or Rass's ankle acts up.

To answer the question: I think I'm happy to the extent that our D's beyond solidified now and obviously with the goaltending we have no questions there - with one caveat, in a normal year Lou would have traded for a backup but goalies were priced even higher than scoring forwards, so Lou wasn't going to get one.

Offensively, we have the first, third and fourth lines pretty well covered. The one glaring question is of course the second scoring line, whether Parise-Brylin-Marshall-Kozlov can somehow configure a reliable second line or whether Elias gets moved down (with maybe Parise or - gak - Kozlov going up) to try to create more balance.

I don't think there's much Lou could have done in regards to the scoring forward at the deadline though. Parrish was packaged along with Sopel for two highly touted prospects. Recchi went for a second rounder and two other players - I guess one of them a high prospect also. Friesen went for a second rounder after two progressively worse years and I didn't want the latter two anyway for various reasons - Recchi cause he's supposedly a bit of an a-hole and Friesen cause four out of his last five years have been pretty much awful and the first half of '03 wasn't that hot either.

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They way he handled this season... it would have been much better to rebuild the team and start new cycle, instead to damage the team this bad

You'll see this summer when we resign GIO and Elias.. just how mcuh more money will be left to do anything else

Rebuild going into a year where you have no clue how the 'new nhl' is going to be, how the salary cap will affect, your team, trades, draft pick values, every players value. At the start of the season we didn't have 1 contract that went beyond 2 years. We sign marty less than cap max, long term. We will have cap room to do what every Lou pleases. Does the 'new nhl' keep a tight wistle, ok, lets build our team around quick scorers. do the whistles go into thepockt come polayoff time, ok, lets get a bigger team. Our top foward missd a month or so, year layoff, horrible start, we are winning, comfy for a playoff birth. Yeah, horrible job, lets fire everyone.

Why rebuild when you have Marty and Elias, gomez and I'll even throw in Rafalski. none of them are over the hill, it's a nice solid core, all of them good enough for their respective Olimpic teams. Solid defensive corp, solid system, good role playes. I'm amazed we win any games at all.

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I'm not so sure. on my way out at the moment, I'm willing to bet line for line or player for player it's close.

Lightning:

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/sea...0000552004.html

I'd have to go with the Lightning on this one.

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I'm going to see how these guys play and then form my opinion.

But wow, "I HATE LAMS..>FIRE HIM!" ...thats a bit extreme, no? Yikes.

This has got to be the third year in a row now people have tried to jump ship after the deadline. Give it time! :)

What's truly odd is people were crying and moaning in '04 about the lack of a big, physical presence, this year all three of the players Lou imported are physical and people still aren't happy :P

I admit I was thinking after I heard the D deals, geez one second-line player and we got a good shot at the finals now, but obviously that wasn't going to happen given how expensive the second-line players that did get moved were - and as Tri says more often than not they don't work out as deadline deals anyway.

Replace the names of Lukowich, Klee and Weimer with Marshall, Rheaume and Smehlik and you'd swear we were back in '03 with all the complaining about Lou not trading for a scorer :lol:

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My honest feel is we made lateral moves (I'm thinking about Malakov/McGillis et al. here too) I feel that we'r starting the second half in about the same place as we started the season... I can't say we've really improved our D -- we replaced expensive question marks with a little bit more affordable question marks... we got rid of Browny who I guess was just takin' up the roster space...

I feel like I went to the store and got servicable replacements for stuff I was just sick of but nothing that's a surefire improvement. Like I traded in a '95 accord for a '95 camry -- it's the same thing :noclue: at least we're rid of the parts sucking used Range Rover we paid top dollar for right?

second round exit? :uni: I think it would have been that regardless though...

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Hey Colorado Rokies...

I guess this is also valid for all Cool-Aid drinkers and "In Lou we trust" type posters.

I feel much better with myself about bashing Lou Lams since most of real Devil fans agree with me.

Did you hear how the 20,000 fans boooed Lou on the Stevens night ? OK maybe not all but at least 18,000 for sure did....

That is how fans are displeased with "recent Lou".

And I can't wait for the reply on Daneyko's night

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Hey Colorado Rokies...

I guess this is also valid for all Cool-Aid drinkers and "In Lou we trust" type posters.

I feel much better with myself about bashing Lou Lams since most of real Devil fans agree with me.

Did you hear how the 20,000 fans boooed Lou on the Stevens night ? OK maybe not all but at least 18,000 for sure did....

That is how fans are displeased with "recent Lou".

And I can't wait for the reply on Daneyko's night

Okay now your posts have gone from mere whining to pure schtick. Those aren't 'boos' those are 'LOU' chants. :doh1:

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Hey Colorado Rokies...

I guess this is also valid for all Cool-Aid drinkers and "In Lou we trust" type posters.

I feel much better with myself about bashing Lou Lams since most of real Devil fans agree with me.

Did you hear how the 20,000 fans boooed Lou on the Stevens night ? OK maybe not all but at least 18,000 for sure did....

That is how fans are displeased with "recent Lou".

And I can't wait for the reply on Daneyko's night

It's amazing how similar LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU and BOOOOOOOO sound.

Wow.

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I guess Bruce Driver was the most unpopular Devil ever since he got booed every time he took the ice.

Oh wait those were 'Bruuuuce' chants :P

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Okay now your posts have gone from mere whining to pure schtick. Those aren't 'boos' those are 'LOU' chants. :doh1:

You believe that ?

Than tell me one other occasion when Devil fans cheered up anybody in similar fashion?

Plyer fans do Zuuus, or Pittsburg Steelers I heard "Muuuu" about their runinng back.. but never ever Devil fans

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You believe that ?

Than tell me one other occasion when Devil fans cheered up anybody in similar fashion?

Plyer fans do Zuuus, or Pittsburg Steelers I heard "Muuuu" about their runinng back.. but never ever Devil fans

Go look at any Cup parade tape, start with '03 - fans chanted Loooou THEN at the darn victory celebration, those sure weren't boos sorry :P

And I gave another example above.

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the only thing missing here is him saying we need to undo the Berglund for Kozlov trade.... this is an interesting read of pure fiction

and don't forget we're not "real fans" if we disagree with him so I should send back my 13 years of hockey tickets too!!

I don't like the trades, but there's a reason Lou is the most successful GM in the business and we're idiots tooling on the internet!! :P

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I guess Bruce Driver was the most unpopular Devil ever since he got booed every time he took the ice.

Oh wait those were 'Bruuuuce' chants :P

Maybe about Bruce..

But tell me you are joking... YOu honestly believe they were cheering Lou ? I'm serious .

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You believe that ?

Than tell me one other occasion when Devil fans cheered up anybody in similar fashion?

Plyer fans do Zuuus, or Pittsburg Steelers I heard "Muuuu" about their runinng back.. but never ever Devil fans

Be careful, you might rupture a hamstring or two, cause you're really stretching now.

I have an assignment for you. Go to Dano night, ask each person in the crowd if they are booing or chanting "LOU." Then come back to me. Until then, you have no credibility ;)

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I'd hate to sit Janssen out - oddly enough I think Viktor Kozlov may be the odd man out once again since he really doesn't do very much. We would dress Wiemer at LW and have lines of:

Elias-Gomez-Gionta

Parise-Brylin-Marshall

Pandolfo-Madden-Langenbrunner

Wiemer-Rasmussen-Janssen

Oops - staying on topic, I am neither happy nor dissatisfied. We got rid of Suglobov, picked up 2 servicable defenders and a decent 4th liner. I didn't expect us to pick up a scoreline player and we didn't. I didn't expect us to pick up 2 defenders either, so I'm surprised - this team still has obvious problems but it could still go places.

I feel pretty much the same way. The Klee deal was okay, the Lukowich deal was unspeakably awesome, and the Wiemer deal just kind of baffles me- as I said earlier- from the standpoint that we didn't need a Jason Wiemer type of player. Trading Brown for a 4th was also a great move. I'm disappointed in the fact that we couldn't land a 2nd line scorer, but that's life I guess. I HATE- absolutely HATE- to break up the EGG line, but we might not have a choice now. On a scale of 1-10, overall, I'd give Lou a 7, strengthened by the Lukowich deal.

I've put it on my sig ... until further developments

Yeah, well... you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you've firmly departed rationality-land and are headed straight for the insane asylum.

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Maybe about Bruce..

But tell me you are joking... YOu honestly believe they were cheering Lou ? I'm serious .

Absolutely. That was a "LLLLOOOOOOUUUUU" not "BOOOOOO"........ seriously. Most fans APPRECIATE three stanley cups. Some don't. Most do. That was a "LOOOOOOUUUUUUU".

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Yeah, well... you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you've firmly departed rationality-land and are headed straight for the insane asylum.

My opinion will prove to be correct...

Wait and see.. I just hope we aviod Rangers in the first round.

Becasue they will continue to bash us that we can't beat them in the playoffs...

Absolutely. That was a "LLLLOOOOOOUUUUU" not "BOOOOOO"........ seriously. Most fans APPRECIATE three stanley cups. Some don't. Most do. That was a "LOOOOOOUUUUUUU".

:rofl:

Yup it is official... I lost it.... I guess I imagined they were booooing him since I wanted to do same thing badly :doh1:

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I guess they're about what I would expect from Lou.

Let's face it...more often than not Lou's not one to make the sexy, headline-making moves. And he clearly decided that bringing in "scorers" such as Mark Recchi (who always disappears during the playoffs), Jeff Friesen (waaaahhh it's sooooo hard to play in Anaheim and replace Teemu Selanne waaaaahhh. What the hell was Burke thinking bringing that headcase back?!) or Keith Tkachuk (please) weren't worth giving up early round draft picks. I'd have loved to see Lou bring in someone who can put some pucks in the net, but those kind of players just weren't out there for the taking. Even though the Isles were willing to deal Lukowich to New Jersey, I don't think they would have been as amenable to dealing Parrish to the Devils.

So Lou's thinking was probably something along the lines of:

My defense is pretty good. My goalie is unconscious right now. Might as well try to shore up my 'D' best as I can, get rid of a spare part in Brown I don't need, and try to win as many 2-1 games as I can. If that works, great. If not, I didn't really see this team as a Cup-winner this year anyway.

As as far as Sluggo goes...how many 24-year-old scorers come into the league and blossom? Most true scoring prospects break into the league at somewhere between 20-22, if not before. The AHL's full of guys who put up pretty numbers but can't get it done at the NHL level. Craig Darby anyone? And from all reports, Sluggo's not a systems kind of guy, so it probably wouldn't have worked out here for him. One thing that's obvious: Lou doesn't like him as a Devil. And considering that 25-year-olds usually aren't considered prospects anymore, he simply wasn't going to fetch a whole lot in a deal.

So, overall, I'd have to say I'm happy with what Lou's done. Let the 2-1 nailbiters begin...

Here's what I gotta say: I think the add on to our defense is good, but since January the D's been sharp... It can't hurt to make it better. We do need more offense too but what team's gonna give us someone good especially considering 25 of 30 teams are still in the playoff race, they're gonna want to keep key players. I think through this rough year, we've maintained a playoff spot, and I think we're gonna like the postseason.

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Mac: Listen to this. It's a sound clip from Scott Stevens Night. It's Scott expressing his appreciation to Lou and the Devils organization. Go ahead, listen. Tell me the fans aren't saying "LOUUUUUUU!!!!"

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I was screaming Lou! I think I heard me. :evil:

As for the moves, happy D, disappointed with the Weimer one. Maybe baffled is more the word.

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ranger fans did it for Bukeaboom "BUKKKKKESS!!!

hmm i dunno if i'm happy or not, i'm pretty tired of going to nassau and watching the devs give up to DP and his merry bunch of losers, it wasn't your D that was bad, what was painful was watching the scott gomez show, madden shooting right into DP's chest every time and zach circeling the net as if to say "come on guys!" and no one gets the point kovalev is preforming below his level and as far as i'm concerened cammy and sarge are doing their jobs (ok maybe i'm soft on them but i love em) cam goes out, wins his fight (about 90% of the time) and gets the boys pumped ryznar i think is great he's like an excited puppy on the rink, i think he'll go places..maybe not now but he will

what i don't get is why is why darren langdon still a devil!? and lukowich aint bad

i dunno...i just wanna see tommorow's game then i'll decide :noclue:

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Overall I am happy with how Lou did at the deadline. Improved the defense. I am sure he tried for offensive help, but didn't want to pay a steep price. Lou knows what he is doing, he is a winner, 3-time Stanley Cup winner, which is why at #4's night everyone I knew was chanting Lou, just like in the SC Parades. Anyone that would boo him is out of there mind.

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I'd have to say I'm not happy with Lou's moves overall. Three moves made to bring in veteran roster players and not one addresses an actual problem the team had as of yesterday. The Lukowich deal is a potential steal if we can keep him long-term, but he still doesn't solve a very real scoring problem. The Klee deal was a negative-sum. We traded a young player who might just have been useful for an over-the-hill, over-rated and dirty player-rental. The Weimer deal makes no sense - unless you consider that Parise is playing left wing and is a large negative. I suspect he may be heading to Albany sooner or later, or at least taking a big cut in ice-time come the playoffs.

None of these moves have improved this team's playoff chances notably, and only the Lukowich deal stands a real shot at improving us long-term. My read is that Lou still thinks he can win a Cup through pure D. I don't really think that's possible anymore, and I think he'll be shown that lesson in about a month or so. I'd honestly like to be proven wrong, but IMO this team will be 5-games-and-out in the playoffs. :saddevil:

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i'm happy with Lou today, not many teams were expected to make HUGE moves anyhow. Lou's smart, i trust his decisions....

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"Are they saying 'boo' or 'boo-urns?'"

"I was saying 'boo-urns.'"

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