DevilMinder

Staff Changes.

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My 2 cents:

Don- Mellow the hell out. Stop being so damn condescending when you have no clue what's going on. If you feel so strongly, stop you trivia stuff and move on.

I am no going to beg anyone to post here.........if they feel the need to move on, then let them. It's a friggin' Devils discussion board....not real life, folks.

And....what the hell is "Naughty Little Devil"?

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Is it just me or .. is Lucifers dog :unsure: none there than....

DUDE!! I didn't even KNOW!! I thought you were kind of off the wall - that explains it!! now I have to go see what you had to say about Stevens retirement IF anything :P

Lucifer's dog... heeheehee

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My 2 cents:

Don- Mellow the hell out. Stop being so damn condescending when you have no clue what's going on. If you feel so strongly, stop you trivia stuff and move on.

(A) Are you having trouble reading? I've been in touch with a number of people today and I think I have a fair idea what went on. In my first post, what i said was: "Now that I've gotten a decent understanding of the situation".

(B) Are you having trouble reading? I said that I am committed to the Trivia contest - I rather enjoy running it. So much so that I buy half the prizes. In my first post, what I said was: "I don't think I want to be a part of contributing to this board beyond being a poster after the contest completion".

I'm sure there are some adult education reading classes available where you live. You might want to look into it.

But yes, I feel VERY strongly that this was a slap in the face to the very people that made this board as popular as what it is.

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Is it just me or .. is Lucifers dog :unsure: none there than....

DUDE!! I didn't even KNOW!! I thought you were kind of off the wall - that explains it!! now I have to go see what you had to say about Stevens retirement IF anything :P

Lucifer's dog... heeheehee

Are you joking? I've been mocking him for months knowing full well. I think Risky has been too.

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I feel I should say something here. First, I'm not going to discuss what happened because, to be frank, I don't think it's anyone's business. Second, guys, DM feels absolutely horrible about this. This was an extremely difficult decision for him to make. (I bolded that because it's incredibly important.) It's not like he woke up yesterday morning and said, "Yeah, I'm gonna blow out the staff and start all over, fvck 'em all." It sucks for everyone involved, but what was done had to be done. Third, the ONLY reason I'm still on the staff is because DM specifically asked me to remain so that I can help him with the board software. I never really was comfortable with being a full admin and being considered an equal to all the other guys; I only wanted to do what I'm doing now, work behind the scenes, and I guess I'm kinda happy/relieved that my role has been clarified to the point it has. I know nobody's brought that up, but I'm feeling a little quite awkward about being one of the only ones left, especially since I was the newest admin to be brought on board, so I thought I'd get that off my chest.

On a personal level, I wish it didn't have to end up like this. I especially wish RD didn't feel the need to leave this board completely, but I also understand why she's doing it. That said, RD, please come back. Even if you stay away for the rest of the season, next season won't be the same without you. I don't think there is one single person who is as synonymous with NJDevs.com as you. There are very few people who have put as much work into this site as you have, and there are very few people who are as well-liked here as you. I probably should've put this in a PM or an e-mail rather than making this a public appeal like I have, but that's how I feel. And that's not to say that I don't feel the same about Rock and Red and Has, but I know RD feels very strongly about this, so I guess that stoked my emotions as well.

Finally, to those of you who are predicting that this community will fall apart and another board will start soon where "the truth will come out", well, I don't know what to say to you. One, there are still many committed, intelligent hockey fans here and I hope they'll stick around. Second, RD and Has and Red and Rock are NOT the type of people who would run around airing dirty laundry in public, and I would be *very* surprised and dismayed if any of them were to start up another board with the intent of taking this one down.

Some of you know that I'm also an admin on one of the bigger American Hockey League message boards out there, and we're currently in the process of moving from a free forum host to our own site. I mention this not to toot my own horn, but because I have a point. I became involved in that site because I believe in the community we had built up over the years on that board and predecessor boards and I wanted to do whatever I could to help it succeed. I feel the same about this site. I believe in the community we have here. I believe that it can still succeed, and I believe that it will succeed. I believe that there are many good people here and that we can continue to build around them. I believe that we can and will get through this. I believe in NJDevs.

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Don, you aren't the only one that has an understanding of what happened. But I have to wonder how good your understanding is? It sounds more like a very strong opinion, and the type of ranting that only hurts those involved. Do you honestly think your rage and indignation is really going to make the admins involved feel all warm and fuzzy and want to come back? Or did you even consider that what you were told in confidence wasn't meant for this purpose especially when the majority of posters don't know what happened so your irate posts only confuse things and make an uncomfortable situation more uncomfortable?

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Liz:

If I hadn't asked *ANYONE* I would be of the same opinion. Just on the face of this, DM is dismissing the very people that did most of the work here, whether it be the deadline day stuff, or the front page articles, or helping me organize the trivia contest, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.. If I knew *NOTHING* of the circumstances, I would be of the opinion that they were done wrong.

As DM said in his post, it was just a difference of opinion and he wanted to take the board in another direction. And what I heard confirmed that. I personally don't think that is a good enough reason to remove these people from the "staff" here. I seem to be the only one and for that reason, I've said my piece and I'll leave this discussion as it is.

As for whether my frustrated posts were meant to make others feel "warm and fuzzy", I think everyone has settled into where they were comfortable before I wrote anything in this thread.

I think they were done wrong. It's my opinion. I'm sticking to it. But that is the last you will hear of it.

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Are you joking? I've been mocking him for months knowing full well. I think Risky has been too.

I think the lack of Stevens blinded me... :huh:

How did I not figure it out from the start! Actually GR was a fave of mine :blush: until he picked on Stevens... <_<

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I don't get the NLD bashing stuff either. I only started going in a few months ago but I don't see what the big deal is. People havee complained about young kids reading it but I don't think that is a big worry.

I have yet to see a guest reading that thread. Also, clearly we have seen a certain 14 year old member talk about possibly having sex in one 8 page thread and that person might be one of the youngest people on the board. Kids at 13 and 14 are watching porn on the internet mostly.

I am not sure how NLD ruined this site though.

That was me, but im not watching any porn, I don't need a tv or computer for that..

On topic-

At 13 in todays world, you have basically learned everything, seen most things and heard or read most stuff. And im not the one posibly haveing sex, not close to it.Don't need to say to everyone that's it's inaproppriate that someone says boobs or anything on here. since there is a kid at 13 or 14 years of age. That's my opinion, take it as you want.

Cheers.

Edited by langs15

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Well then you know what Don, go play the lottery, because you are clairvoyant. When I read DM's post, I didn't even know where to begin in understanding what went on between the admins. I don't think anyone is comfortable right now, but from what I've read they are certainly not forming opinions about something they know nothing about.

What I gather from most posters here, is deep saddness and regret that this happened and a genuine hope that the admins involved will have a change of heart and stay with the board. I also am not sure how I'll feel if they leave, Has and RD are posters I consider board pals. I will miss what they bring to the board. Red has made peace with what took place and I'm glad for him. I just don't think your posts help the situation but only add to whatever hard feelings that might exist between the parties.

Edited by LizDevil30

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Sheesh as for outrage about what's gone down - I think I heard a lot of the same Don did. I think I didn't hear both sides -- I think I didn't read all the biotching PMs sent by posters - I think I know DM has a pretty HUGE tolerance... and I think the very nature of the debate says as much.

Certainly there is a twist of irony -- the whole situation is dripping with irony the admins ousted MUST AGREE with DM's course of action... how is his choice any different than locking a thread? From what I gather every chance was given to come to some resolution and none was reached -- :noclue: so he took action and no one was "right" and no one "won"

I agree with Liz - it seems Don you have an opinion about who was "right" I've been quiet about this because I tend to not speak unless I have a solution to offer up... I think DM did all that he could. I can't think of a resolution that all would have been happy with and that would have thus stuck as they say. I think the admins provided invaluable service and DM will be hard pressed to keep the site running - I can't imagine him making this choice unless all other avenues were exhausted -- so I'm going to rag on him and create the havoc dismissed admins despised? Niiiice....

BUT I may have the completely wrong end of the stick.. i mean I didnt' know who Lucifer's dog was after all :unsure:

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Don,....stop acting like............well......,Don.

I can read fine, and I read you calling people "Ass-lickers" because they aren't bashing Brad like you are. Apparently you are hearing one side of the story and are going to sink or swim with it.

Edited by Jimmy Leeds

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#8 and have no idea what is going on...as for new direction...IRC coming back??? j/k

Cannot believe it has been 4 years here...including previous versions :o

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.....Cue the soap opera music for this thread.

Bigger message boards than this one have been brought down by less.Sounds like comments made in the naughty devs thread have not been met with open arms?You would think there are enough places to go on the net to talk about boobs.

Tho i mainly visit for the game day thread and article reprints,it seems like yall have a good thing going here.Sure be a shame to screw it up...........

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Still totally confused on this one... :blink::unsure::(

I will say though that I hope we don't lose more good posters. RD leaving sucks enough. I hope everything can be resolved somehow. :(

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All of this is crazy, There are three sides to every story and the only ones who will ever know what has went on are those directly involved. I don't think people like Don should be picked on for having their opinions. It is his opinion..end of story. Now i know i sound stupid doing this post as i have no idea what has went on. But this is a message board and people will have their opinions. All the former admins that have posted in here..good on you, and you guys are class act all the way.

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Naughty Little Devils thread had nothing to do with it... PMs sent about the thread did. I dont know who's how or why... but PMs flew and opened up the what is an admins job issue is what I'm gathering... Boobs weren't the problem... a couple posting in there felt there were some injustices (selfrighteousness??? how fekin' RARE) the ensuing bitchfest I think was just the last straw... I have NO IDEA if I'm correct but that's what i gather...

I'm sorry for airing stuff if I'm not supposed to but I HATE closed doors half stories and general all around mysteries -- hence why I never PM admins AND I dont like feeling like I'm in the middle of something I'm not <_< though my constant desire for openness and clarity helped stoke the fire i guess

and Don can take a little shyt if he can dish it out readily -its' not like he was attacked for merely sharing his opinion - other than that I'm with annabelle

OK -- I'm done... good night guys. See you Monday :)

Edited by Pepperkorn

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After speaking with DM more tonight, I am even more shocked and confused about my dismissal. I do not agree with it at all, in fact, it actually upsets me tremendously.

Yes, this is a message board. We all have real lives, we all have other obligations and we all have other pasttimes. NJDevs was never the main priority in my life, but it was very important to me.

As many of you know, I have battled many health problems over the past few years. NJDevs became very important to me, it was essentially all I had for a while, I couldn't do anything else and this place was a great way to take my mind off of things while still expressing my passion for the team and game I love dearly.

However, once I started feeling well again, I was able to return to college, I was able to have a social life again, and I was able to basically live a somewhat normal life with a few limitations. Some of you also noticed that my posting had decreased lately -- I've been very busy with a heavy load of classes and continuing to rehab, among other things. I also was growing increasingly unhappy with the direction of the board. There were posters who continually gave the admins trouble, and it started to get to me. It was starting to become no longer fun posting here.

I loved this board a lot, and I put a lot of energy into it. I used this board as an outlet for my dedication to the team and the game of hockey, and I also created a lot of bonds -- some people I'll even remain friends with for a very long time; I'm grateful for that.

I'm very hurt after what I was told tonight. I can't be part of of this board anymore after this, because I feel like I've been unfairly judged and disrespected. I hope the other admins continue posting, as their situations are different than mine, but I understand if they choose to leave also.

I was going to try to take some time off and think things over, maybe make a return under a different name, but I just can't do it. I've been approached by many with the thoughts of creating a new board, but I don't think I'll do that either. I wouldn't want to take away from this place, and I wouldn't ever betray DM like that.

I'm sorry things turned out this way. It didn't have to be this way, but what can you do? What's done is done. I'm not mad at DM, again, but after tonight I feel very hurt, confused, and disrespected. I think in the end of all of this, no one really understood me as a poster. Yes, I am a real person. Yes, I am an emotional person. Many of you don't know me outside of the board. You don't know my personality, my circle of friends, my other passions. This board may have defined "RD," but it did not define Patricia. You just see a screenname and what I've posted here. Make your judgements, but remember that I wasn't just a figurehead here, I am a person too. I have flaws, just as every one of you do too. I think those of you who have met me understand what I mean.

I ask that the posters here PLEASE lighten up on the remaining admins. Some of you gave us a really hard time, and I don't think that was fair. All we were trying to do was make this board the best it could possibly be. The complaining, the namecalling, the bickering...even the rulebreaking -- it just wasn't necessary. Even now, I don't understand why I have to see a signature that says "Boycott Trivia." It could have been so easy for everyone to get along, and it could have easily been different here. Maybe in this new era, this new direction the board is going, things can be better. I hope so, at least, for the sake of DM and msweet, because the way some of you treated some of the admins was really a bit much.

I've said my peace. I'm done here. Feel free to message me if you have anything you'd like to say. Otherwise, I hope the Devils finish the season strong...and this board too.

-Patricia

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Man, this just isn't right. You said a lot of really nice things in there. Basically poured your HEART out. I knew that from earlier today. I just wish it could be different.

I think I understand exactly what you meant too about how people can misinterpret things and judge individuals without really knowing them.

We all have emotions. We all MATTER. I don't know what went on. But I have a little better idea.

The bottom line is this is the internet. There are often misunderstandings. Maybe if we knew each other in person, it would be different. You'd get to know where everyone is coming from. That sort of thing can be good.

I can't take sides here. I can only respect my peers and wonder why this happened. There's always a reason.

I come here to post and debate topics. This is a place to vent and have fun. I still feel that's possible.

I would also like to say that when I first joined the old njdevs site, I was given a hard time because of who my allegiance was to. Some didn't understand why I was there. Maybe some still wonder why and think, 'What the heck is a Ranger fan doing here with as many posts as he has?'

And I always come back to the same answer. I was introduced to this place by a good fan and friend MaddDog. And I liked it. I didn't mind taking the flak with it. It's expected. I always enjoyed debating hockey topics here. If it wasn't fun, I'd have left a long time ago.

But I believe this place is like a community. An online family. I have gotten to know some great people here. I'm thankful for that. I'd love to meet a bunch of you at a game and bust each other's chops about our teams' plights. I love talking hockey. I love talking other topics as well. Whatever floats your boat.

This place is SPECIAL. I think that needs to be remembered.

Edited by Derek21

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I am confused....This place seems to have changed a bit. I hope you all continue to post. Kinda of shocking really. :(

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I'd like to implore the ousted admins to continue posting on the board - they make it interesting, and a great place to talk hockey. That's all it is, really - I think some view it as more than that, and it can be that too, I suppose - still, we all love the Devils and that's what brought us here in the first place. I'd hope we could see past whatever differences there are to keep that in mind.
wow that sucks
I will say though that I hope we don't lose more good posters. RD leaving sucks enough. I hope everything can be resolved somehow. :(
But this is a message board and people will have their opinions. All the former admins that have posted in here..good on you, and you guys are class act all the way.
I loved this board a lot, and I put a lot of energy into it. I used this board as an outlet for my dedication to the team and the game of hockey, and I also created a lot of bonds -- some people I'll even remain friends with for a very long time; I'm grateful for that.

Otherwise, I hope the Devils finish the season strong...and this board too.

-Patricia

Man, this just isn't right. You said a lot of really nice things in there. Basically poured your HEART out. I knew that from earlier today. I just wish it could be different.

I think I understand exactly what you meant too about how people can misinterpret things and judge individuals without really knowing them.

We all have emotions. We all MATTER.

The bottom line is this is the internet. There are often misunderstandings.

I come here to post and debate topics. This is a place to vent and have fun. I still feel that's possible.

I didn't mind taking the flak with it. It's expected. I always enjoyed debating hockey topics here. If it wasn't fun, I'd have left a long time ago.

But I believe this place is like a community. An online family. I have gotten to know some great people here. I'm thankful for that. I'd love to meet a bunch of you at a game and bust each other's chops about our teams' plights. I love talking hockey. I love talking other topics as well. Whatever floats your boat.

This place is SPECIAL. I think that needs to be remembered.

took some stuff from throughout the thread. it's just a shame and I hope we can put the genie back in the bottle.

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First, I'm not going to discuss what happened because, to be frank, I don't think it's anyone's business.

I just wasted about 15 minutes going through this thread trying to figure out what happened with this frustrating, strange decision. RD came close to pulling back the curtain, but I'm still in the dark.

Sorry, Rowdy and others, but the above just doesn't fly. The moment this becomes a post (and a sticky, no less) on the board it becomes EVERYBODY'S business. Because we are the board. Without us, NJDevs is another hockey board with one reply on every post. And I don't read those.

I'm stunned that through four pages of posts, no one's been able to present in a public forum the how and why of this decision, which is a signicifant one not only for this board but for the future of this board. When we're talking about "the direction of the board," doesn't that affect those who post here on a daily basis and not just the chosen few, the chosen proud, the chosen admins?

I'm equally stunned that in a decision made partially because of the ever-increasing "cliques" on this board, it appears there are two classes here: those in the know, and those who don't deserve to be in the know -- which, you know, are basically the people how make this site something to visit every day.

Just my two cents...

<JESTER>

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