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In the paper this looks and sounds terrible - and it is - but I would bet everyone stopped near a hospital thinks they their relatives are so sick they can drive as they like. In this case it was true but that isn't the case most times. The officer was put in a terrible position, sounds like the way he treated Moats was uncaring and rude but I have a hard time believing he did it just to screw with the guy.

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isn't the best way to handle that to escort the couple to the hospital, and then write them a ticket as necessary after they've stopped freaking out

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In the paper this looks and sounds terrible - and it is - but I would bet everyone stopped near a hospital thinks they their relatives are so sick they can drive as they like. In this case it was true but that isn't the case most times. The officer was put in a terrible position, sounds like the way he treated Moats was uncaring and rude but I have a hard time believing he did it just to screw with the guy.

That's sort of like how even ambulances with dying people in them are at fault if they run a red light into a person.

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traffic tickets are pretty bullsh!t regardless of circumstances so this is just a higher degree of bullsh!t.

if you're going to make a thread complaining about cops may i direct your attention towards this article??

http://www.reason.com/news/show/130307.html

While tragic, the account is that the officer panicked when he heard additional gunfire (two pit bulls were "pets" in the house and they were being shot at) and fired blindly into the room, not a deliberate cold blooded murder. Also the boyfriend pled guilty to trafficking crack cocaine and mj with 8 other counts dropped as a result of the plea deal.

So while I have lots of sympathy for the kids, the mom was no angel of protection for her 6 kids who were fathered by 5 different men all of whom were drug dealers according to her mom. In summary she lived with a man who dealt crack cocaine (of which a substantial amount was found in the house) and two pit bulls. Hell, every day in a house with a couple of pit bulls is endangering the life of the child, let alone the drug dealing.

Did the cop screw up? Sounds like it but I don't think that is the best case of anti-police sentiment that one can find.

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Hey, it's what happens when the nations D students get badges.

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In the paper this looks and sounds terrible - and it is - but I would bet everyone stopped near a hospital thinks they their relatives are so sick they can drive as they like. In this case it was true but that isn't the case most times. The officer was put in a terrible position, sounds like the way he treated Moats was uncaring and rude but I have a hard time believing he did it just to screw with the guy.

I am apt to side with SC on this one. People are not exempt from traffic laws even near a hospital where thier relatives are near death. The vehicle ran a red light and the police officer did his job. Its not the cops job to take into account any mitigatable circumstances in a traffic stop. The football player was starting to get irate and irritated with the cop taking it to a level of hostility and the cop acted accordingly. His suspension is a complete PR move by the precinct he works at and if I were him I would lodge a formal complaint with my union which I am sure he is doing.

Before you all blast me for being unsympathetic you need to see things from the point of view of the police officer. A random vehicle runs a red light which is a traffic violation. The police officer does his job and stops the vehicle. He asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance.. basic standard traffic stop kind of stuff. All of the sudden Moats is yelling at the cop and telling his wife to leave the car which is a violation in a traffic stop and the cop is forced to tell his wife to return to the vehicle. I just don't see what the cop did wrong. We hear all the time about how professional sports players are given free passes all the time and here it is a time when a pro sport player does not get a free pass and you chastize him.

While I sympathize with his situation, him and his party in the vehicle were completely in the wrong. The cop should be given a commendation not a suspension.

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Did the cop screw up? Sounds like it but I don't think that is the best case of anti-police sentiment that one can find.

No this is wrong. When you return fire, you should make damn well sure it is not at a kneeling mommy and her baby. There is never, ever an excuse to blow an infant's hand off and shoot his helpless mother.

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No this is wrong. When you return fire, you should make damn well sure it is not at a kneeling mommy and her baby. There is never, ever an excuse to blow an infant's hand off and shoot his helpless mother.

I don't think you see the circumstances clearly nor have you read my post correctly.

The woman clearly didn't have the best interests of her kids in mind at all and never did. Blaming the police force for some grand conspiracy against the community is misplaced and ignores the core issues.

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I am apt to side with SC on this one. People are not exempt from traffic laws even near a hospital where thier relatives are near death. The vehicle ran a red light and the police officer did his job. Its not the cops job to take into account any mitigatable circumstances in a traffic stop. The football player was starting to get irate and irritated with the cop taking it to a level of hostility and the cop acted accordingly. His suspension is a complete PR move by the precinct he works at and if I were him I would lodge a formal complaint with my union which I am sure he is doing.

Before you all blast me for being unsympathetic you need to see things from the point of view of the police officer. A random vehicle runs a red light which is a traffic violation. The police officer does his job and stops the vehicle. He asks for license, registration, and proof of insurance.. basic standard traffic stop kind of stuff. All of the sudden Moats is yelling at the cop and telling his wife to leave the car which is a violation in a traffic stop and the cop is forced to tell his wife to return to the vehicle. I just don't see what the cop did wrong. We hear all the time about how professional sports players are given free passes all the time and here it is a time when a pro sport player does not get a free pass and you chastize him.

While I sympathize with his situation, him and his party in the vehicle were completely in the wrong. The cop should be given a commendation not a suspension.

I think it's fine that he pulled him over, like you said how was the cop to know. But once the driver says "hey look someone is in the hospital can you please just escort me there and write your ticket later?" really isn't too much to ask. I doubt he really cares about a $100 ticket compared to what was at stake. You never get a second chance to say good bye to someone, after the cop knew this guy was trying to see his mother in law (or was it his mother?) he should have backed down immediately.

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The cop should be given a commendation not a suspension.

fvck that sh!t. You didn't read the articles posted in this thread and the other one, did you? Let me rehash the salient points:

"I can screw you over," he said at one point in the videotaped incident.
"Shut your mouth," the officer said. "You can either settle down and cooperate or I can just take you to jail for running a red light." (Really? Is running a red light a jailable offense? I tend to doubt it.)

By the time the 26-year-old NFL player received a ticket and a lecture from Powell, about 13 minutes had passed. When he and Collinsworth's father entered the hospital, they learned Collinsworth was dead. (And this was after he had already received confirmation from another officer that the player's story was true.)

Typical unprofessional power-drunk a$$hole who gets his jollies off of wielding his badge like a weapon. He deserves whatever punishment he gets.

And before anyone misunderstands, I'm not defending the player at all. However, two wrongs don't make a right.

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I don't think you see the circumstances clearly nor have you read my post correctly.

The woman clearly didn't have the best interests of her kids in mind at all and never did. Blaming the police force for some grand conspiracy against the community is misplaced and ignores the core issues.

And that makes it acceptable to shoot them? She wasn't Mother of the Year, so let's kill her and maim her child? sh!t, man. :blink:

Not only that, but the cop fired blindly into the room. He had no idea what he was shooting at. He could have killed the kid, he could have even injured or killed another officer. :doh1:

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So people are allowed to run red lights when someone is dying in a hospital?

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So people are allowed to run red lights when someone is dying in a hospital?

At 50mph? No, if you come a light, slow down to 5mph and no one is coming. Yes.

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At 50mph? No, if you come a light, slow down to 5mph and no one is coming. Yes.

I guess.

To me the cop couldve let the person go into the hospital, wrote a ticket, and be waiting for him when he came out. No doubt the cop was a jerk. But if you violate traffic laws, you violate traffic laws. whether its 5 mph or 50 its still a ticket for going through a red light.

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I guess.

To me the cop couldve let the person go into the hospital, wrote a ticket, and be waiting for him when he came out. No doubt the cop was a jerk. But if you violate traffic laws, you violate traffic laws. whether its 5 mph or 50 its still a ticket for going through a red light.

No one is really suggesting the man shouldn't get a ticket, all though I think it just adds insult to injury. The problem is he held him up even after he told him his situation. Like I said, throw them in the cop car if it was a few blocks away and take them there, or let them walk in to hospital and deal with the infraction later.

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While tragic, the account is that the officer panicked when he heard additional gunfire (two pit bulls were "pets" in the house and they were being shot at) and fired blindly into the room, not a deliberate cold blooded murder. Also the boyfriend pled guilty to trafficking crack cocaine and mj with 8 other counts dropped as a result of the plea deal.

So while I have lots of sympathy for the kids, the mom was no angel of protection for her 6 kids who were fathered by 5 different men all of whom were drug dealers according to her mom. In summary she lived with a man who dealt crack cocaine (of which a substantial amount was found in the house) and two pit bulls. Hell, every day in a house with a couple of pit bulls is endangering the life of the child, let alone the drug dealing.

Did the cop screw up? Sounds like it but I don't think that is the best case of anti-police sentiment that one can find.

I agree. She obviously didn't deserve to die, but if you are living with drug dealers WITH YOUR CHILDREN and they are keeping the drugs there then bad things can happen. Its not like the police raided McDonalds and just started firing blindly.

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I have dealt with these types of cops many times - as Im sure most of you have as well.

The cop is 25 years old, hes a kid basically.

And he is more than likely a dick.

That said, when you pull someone over and they initially refuse to stop, and then try to exit the vehicle, it makes for a bad situation.

Where the officer is completely wrong is after the point where he becomes aware of the circumstances

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And that makes it acceptable to shoot them? She wasn't Mother of the Year, so let's kill her and maim her child? sh!t, man. :blink:

Not only that, but the cop fired blindly into the room. He had no idea what he was shooting at. He could have killed the kid, he could have even injured or killed another officer. :doh1:

Not sure where I said it was acceptable. :noclue: In fact I stated it was tragic. So if you'd like to mischaracterise completely my posts, at least do a better effort of it by not stating something that is completely the opposite of what I wrote.

I'll reiterate my original point, this was not a great example of police misconduct, IMO.

The community is all up in arms about this because the big bad white cop can be blamed instead of the drug dealers selling crack cocaine, the two pit bulls in a house full of toddlers, a mother who seems to think it is fine to have 6 kids in 8 years by 5 drug dealers, a mom who knew they were all drug dealers, etc...... Yes all that is off-topic but where is the heat for the mom who has all those young kids in that completely dangerous, illegal and frankly irresponsible environment? She chose to have her kids in that environment where a police raid, dog attack, or other drug related crime could happen at any moment. Sounds like she is a complete moron. SGWSD. However, the kids are screwed and are innocent in all this but I think the community's anger is completely misplaced, doesn't address the cause of all this and perpetuates the tragedy for the next generation all while increasing racial hatred.

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Not sure where I said it was acceptable. :noclue: In fact I stated it was tragic. So if you'd like to mischaracterise completely my posts, at least do a better effort of it by not stating something that is completely the opposite of what I wrote.

I'll reiterate my original point, this was not a great example of police misconduct, IMO.

The community is all up in arms about this because the big bad white cop can be blamed instead of the drug dealers selling crack cocaine, the two pit bulls in a house full of toddlers, a mother who seems to think it is fine to have 6 kids in 8 years by 5 drug dealers, a mom who knew they were all drug dealers, etc...... Yes all that is off-topic but where is the heat for the mom who has all those young kids in that completely dangerous, illegal and frankly irresponsible environment? She chose to have her kids in that environment where a police raid, dog attack, or other drug related crime could happen at any moment. Sounds like she is a complete moron. SGWSD. However, the kids are screwed and are innocent in all this but I think the community's anger is completely misplaced, doesn't address the cause of all this and perpetuates the tragedy for the next generation all while increasing racial hatred.

I tend to agree with most of your points on this, however, any time an officer is 'firing blindly', they are wrong.

The pieces of garbage that raise kids in that type of environment garner exactly ZERO sympathy from me for anything that happens to them - but that cop will have to live the rest of his life with the fact that he shot an infant and killed his mother in an idiotic, unprofessional, reckless hail of bullets. He will take that to his grave, and I hope it haunts him forever.

Police need to be trusted with firearms, even if they are in a situation like this, its their job.

That said, 'Sincere' is not a suitable name for a human being.

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So if you'd like to mischaracterise completely my posts, at least do a better effort of it by not stating something that is completely the opposite of what I wrote.

It's not a mischaracterization at all. In both posts you went out of your way to blame the mother for being in that situation in the first place and to claim that the cops almost had no choice to do what they did (though you managed to throw some lip service in there about them screwing up, but it sounds like you don't really believe it). The overall feeling I got from you was "yeah, it sucks, but she's a low-life scum who would've ended up dead anyway".

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Not sure where I said it was acceptable. :noclue: In fact I stated it was tragic. So if you'd like to mischaracterise completely my posts, at least do a better effort of it by not stating something that is completely the opposite of what I wrote.

I'll reiterate my original point, this was not a great example of police misconduct, IMO.

The community is all up in arms about this because the big bad white cop can be blamed instead of the drug dealers selling crack cocaine, the two pit bulls in a house full of toddlers, a mother who seems to think it is fine to have 6 kids in 8 years by 5 drug dealers, a mom who knew they were all drug dealers, etc...... Yes all that is off-topic but where is the heat for the mom who has all those young kids in that completely dangerous, illegal and frankly irresponsible environment? She chose to have her kids in that environment where a police raid, dog attack, or other drug related crime could happen at any moment. Sounds like she is a complete moron. SGWSD. However, the kids are screwed and are innocent in all this but I think the community's anger is completely misplaced, doesn't address the cause of all this and perpetuates the tragedy for the next generation all while increasing racial hatred.

You are making a lot of stupid assumptions about this womans situation. You have no idea why she was there, you have no idea if she knew about the drugs, you have no idea if she had any alternative but to stay, you have no idea whether she lived there full time or just happened to be swinging by on the weekend so her kids could see their dad.

You don't know anything about this case yet you are judging her. Who even said the cop was white? If you have that itchy of a trigger finger that you are going to fire a gun BLINDLYinto a room you have no business being a police officer or even having a firearm for that matter.

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Rowdy is correct. The only acceptable response is "jesus christ what the fvck was that cop thinking?" followed by "oh god that poor woman and child"

that wasn't some kind of minor inconvenience the family went through. regardless of the circumstances surrounding the situation (lack of communication between officers, panic on the part of one of the police), a kneeling mother was murdered and her child is maimed. someone fvcked up, and it wasn't a small one, and to rationalize it as "oh her boyfriend dealt drugs so it's hard to feel bad about it" is despicable.

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