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New Kovy Update ("As the Kovy Turns")

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If the NHL had actually made a decision, then why did they wait until after 10:00 PM Tuesday to leak it to a Canadian TV station? I'm calling shenanigans on that point.

The deal wasn't registered until Monday night, so there wasn't anything for the NHL to officially act on, till at least Tuesday morning. Also, the league had five days to approve, so certainly wasn't under any legal obligation to announce the decision asap. And it isn't the league's responsibility to warn Lou ahead of time of the consequences of doing a press conference if he knew what the decision would be ahead of time, or to do that, in effect, by rejecting the deal on Tuesday morning.

True, the NHL website was trumpeting the deal all day Tuesday, but I seriously doubt that the front office people are coordinating with the marketing people. This is the NHL you know.

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Hradek claiming he has a source that says Devils knew of NHL's decision before the press conference. If true, and wasn't shared with Grossman, this is not good.

Lou would never do something like that. He is not a big enough idiot to do that and it's just not the way he does business. He may have known that it could possibly be rejected but I just can't see him doing that to Kovalchuk, his agent and the Devils. There is just no way he would do something in such poor taste.

Fvck espn though and their bullsh!t sources. I'm sick of that pos Burnside. The man is grade A trash. He has an agenda with this team and will stop at nothing to make them look bad.

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Well the "people" saying that are Єklund (2.3% accurate), Єklund (2.3% accurate), and possibly Єklund (2.3% accurate)'s dog (though that may just be Єklund (2.3% accurate) practicing his ventriloquism), so I wouldn't really worry about Kovalchuk going to the Rangers, or anyone else for that matter. Even if the NHL's decision stands with an arbitrator (and I don't think it would, but that's just my opinion), I think Kovy and the Devils will rework the contract to the standards set by the arbitrator and that will be the end of it.

To be fair I think Єklund (2.3% accurate)'s Dog has a higher accuracy rate.

Burnside did mention that he talked with someone who has experience with these matters and that person said the NHL doesn't have much of a case.

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Lou would never do something like that. He is not a big enough idiot to do that and it's just not the way he does business. He may have known that it could possibly be rejected but I just can't see him doing that to Kovalchukm his agent and the Devils. There is just no way.

Fvck espn though and their bullsh!t sources. I'm sick of that pos Burnside. The man is grade A trash. He has an agenda with this team and will stop at nothing to make them look bad.

This whole thing has been so crazy that you can't discount anything that isn't Єklund (2.3% accurate).

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even if, and we're assuming a ton here, lou did that, he did it with full confidence that he's going to beat the NHL in this thing. and he might. the NHL might've rejected it just to say to the rest of the NHL, it's time to knock it off, if you want you and your player to go through a bunch of hassle just to get your precious front-loaded contract, just try it.

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Lou just get this fixed already. I don't see how the NHL can possibly beat the NHLPA in court with this.

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Page 316: For Lou so loved the team, he gave his only cap, so that whoever believes in him will not perish, but eventually go through a lengthy arbitration process. Amen.

Amen, brother. :evil: May I put this in my sig? Properly credited of course.

Slightly more on topic: While I think we have a wee bit of a persecution complex here I believe the flurry of negative activity among other team's fans is showing that there is at least a little resentment against the Devils organization. We fly under the radar until we're 1st place and manage to get into the playoffs every year, draft well, trade well, sign well (with notable exceptions) without having a 30+ year history (in NJ anyway), mass market, being Canadian, or being an underdog feel-good story, and frequently frustrating the "this could be our year" dreams of fans of teams that fit those descriptions.

I'm not saying this is the attitude of the NHL or motivated this decision. I'll leave that to others to say and point out the evidence. But I find this sudden anti-Devils outpouring amusing. It's sparked a furious side of my Devils fandom that's laid dormant after too much pushover gameplay. I want to see that fury in the players, I want the rest of the league to fear us. I don't care how this "war" ends really...

I'm ready for 82+ wars.

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even if, and we're assuming a ton here, lou did that, he did it with full confidence that he's going to beat the NHL in this thing. and he might. the NHL might've rejected it just to say to the rest of the NHL, it's time to knock it off, if you want you and your player to go through a bunch of hassle just to get your precious front-loaded contract, just try it.

If he did this with full confidence that he'd win in arbitration, than it's a good bet that the first stages of dementia are settling in. Arbitration, especially where no similar case has been brought before an arbitrator before, is about as unpredictable as it can get. So long as the arbitrator has some justification for ruling for the NHL (no matter how poorly reasoned) the arbitrator's decision stands.

It would be an enormous gamble that risks seriously undermining the credibility of the organization. This would be the sort of thing that causes a revolt from the other limited partners.

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even if, and we're assuming a ton here, lou did that, he did it with full confidence that he's going to beat the NHL in this thing. and he might. the NHL might've rejected it just to say to the rest of the NHL, it's time to knock it off, if you want you and your player to go through a bunch of hassle just to get your precious front-loaded contract, just try it.

Of course, if Lou wins the precedent has been set for any contract slightly lower than Kovy's until the CBA expires. A similarly structured contract for 16 years at 96 million would go right through because the NHL already lost once. It's a risk by the NHL to challenge it is what I'm trying to say. If they allowed it with a warning, it may atleast scare off a few GM's.

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If he did this with full confidence that he'd win in arbitration, than it's a good bet that the first stages of dementia are settling in. Arbitration, especially where no similar case has been brought before an arbitrator before, is about as unpredictable as it can get. So long as the arbitrator has some justification for ruling for the NHL (no matter how poorly reasoned) the arbitrator's decision stands.

It would be an enormous gamble that risks seriously undermining the credibility of the organization. This would be the sort of thing that causes a revolt from the other limited partners.

and yet you still believe that it happened.

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and yet you still believe that it happened.

I wouldn't say I believe it happened, but at the same time it is a possibility that worries me.

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My idea is that the NHL did this specifically to head to arbitration to finally put an end to these types of contracts. if the NHL does lose out then the CBA expires soon so there is no harm/no foul. In addition if the NHL loses then this whole fiasco will serve as a warning to other GMs of the headaches they will encounter if they try and make similar deals.

So I suppose if the arbitrator rules in favor of the NHL Hossa, Pronger, Keith, Luongo etc, all those deals are voided or I suppose the re is no retroactivity applied to the ruling?

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Alright if you compare Kovy's deal to Hossa's, Hossa is making only 1 million in the last few years of his current deal & Kovy is making $550,000 in his last few years. The Devils should just bump the contract up to 104.5 million that way he would make at least 1 million the last few years same as Hossa, I mean the cap hit per year would be 6.2 million over the 17 years.

At this point what is the difference in 200k more. Just get it done!!!!

:horse::argh:

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There's a huge difference between a possibility and knowing that they would reject it. Don't take biased ESPN "reporters" seriously. And lol,what "source"?

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My idea is that the NHL did this specifically to head to arbitration to finally put an end to these types of contracts. if the NHL does lose out then the CBA expires soon so there is no harm/no foul. In addition if the NHL loses then this whole fiasco will serve as a warning to other GMs of the headaches they will encounter if they try and make similar deals.

So I suppose if the arbitrator rules in favor of the NHL Hossa, Pronger, Keith, Luongo etc, all those deals are voided or I suppose the re is no retroactivity applied to the ruling?

No retroactivity. Those deals are not going anywhere save a new CBA.

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I've read on other sites that it's just the last few years and that the player's salary can't drop more than 50% from one year to the next. Should be an easy fix. This was posted at devilsrule.com:

"Altering the final 6 years would look like this:

21-22 = $1.75million

22-23 900 NHL

23-24 550 NHL

24-25 550 NHL

25-26 550 NHL

26-27 LY 550 NHL

It would bring the contract value up to $103.35 million...which would make the cap hit 6.08million for the duration of the contract.

A minor change makes this contract legal and within the rules of the CBA. Then the NHL really has no leg to stand on to reject the deal UNLESS they can prove kovalchuk, his agent or the people they have dealt with at the Devils ever made the implication that he would retire before the end of the contract."

So perhaps this is just all a tempest in a teapot.

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There's a huge difference between a possibility and knowing that they would reject it. Don't take biased ESPN "reporters" seriously. And lol,what "source"?

The reports are that Lou had been told by league representatives that the deal would be nixed. Obviously healthy skepticism is warranted, but the consequences are so dire in my mind, that it's not something I can give the back of the hand to.

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I've read on other sites that it's just the last few years and that the player's salary can't drop more than 50% from one year to the next.

The people on "other sites" are WRONG. This is a misreading of the rule.

Making this big... hopefully people will actually read it.

http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#100pct

"NOTE: this does not mean "change in salary is limited to 50% of the prior year's salary" - it's 50 percent of the lower of the first 2 years of an SPC."

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Speaking of Fargo...

BETTMAN – Mr. Lamoriello?

LOU - Yah, real good. How you doin'?

BETTMAN - Pretty good, Mr. Lamoriello. You're damned hard to get on the phone.

LOU - Yah, it's pretty darned busy here, but that's the way we like it.

BETTMAN - That's for sure. Now, I just need, on this Kovalchuk contract you sent us, the actual number of years the contract is for...you see, I can't read the salary breakdown or the years on here, so I -

LOU - But I already got the, it's okay, Kovy is already here, I already got the, the what, the -

BETTMAN - Yeah, the services of Ilya Kolalchuck for the next decade, you had the press conference earlier today.

LOU - Yah, so we're all set.

BETTMAN - Yeah, but on the contract you submitted, I just can't read the salary breakdown. Maybe if you could just read them to me -

LOU - But the deal's already done, I already got the player -

BETTMAN - Yeah, but we have a CBA here, I just have to know that this contract isn’t trying to circumvent the salary cap and is technically legal.

LOU - Yah, well, it’s legal all right.

BETTMAN - I'm sure it is - ha ha! But I can't read the salary breakdown here. So if you could read me -

LOU - Well, but see, I don't have 'em in front a me - why don't I just fax you over a copy -

BETTMAN - No, fax is no good, that's what I have and I can't read the darn thing -

LOU - Yah, okay, I'll have my girl send you over a copy, then.

BETTMAN - Okay, because if I can't correlate this breakdown with the number of years you’re offering, then I gotta call back that contract -

LOU - Yah, how much money was that?

BETTMAN – One hundred and two thousand dollars. See, I gotta correlate that money with the number of years it's being paid on.

LOU - Yah, no problem, I'll just fax that over to ya, then.

BETTMAN - No, no, fax is -

LOU - I mean send it over. I'll shoot it right over to ya.

BETTMAN - Okay.

LOU - Okay, real good, then.

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Damn bullet, that was funny. I've seen that movie so many times I could actually hear their voices reading those lines. Great job!

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Speaking of Fargo...

BETTMAN – Mr. Lamoriello?

LOU - Yah, real good. How you doin'?

BETTMAN - Pretty good, Mr. Lamoriello. You're damned hard to get on the phone.

LOU - Yah, it's pretty darned busy here, but that's the way we like it.

BETTMAN - That's for sure. Now, I just need, on this Kovalchuk contract you sent us, the actual number of years the contract is for...you see, I can't read the salary breakdown or the years on here, so I -

LOU - But I already got the, it's okay, Kovy is already here, I already got the, the what, the -

BETTMAN - Yeah, the services of Ilya Kolalchuck for the next decade, you had the press conference earlier today.

LOU - Yah, so we're all set.

BETTMAN - Yeah, but on the contract you submitted, I just can't read the salary breakdown. Maybe if you could just read them to me -

LOU - But the deal's already done, I already got the player -

BETTMAN - Yeah, but we have a CBA here, I just have to know that this contract isn’t trying to circumvent the salary cap and is technically legal.

LOU - Yah, well, it’s legal all right.

BETTMAN - I'm sure it is - ha ha! But I can't read the salary breakdown here. So if you could read me -

LOU - Well, but see, I don't have 'em in front a me - why don't I just fax you over a copy -

BETTMAN - No, fax is no good, that's what I have and I can't read the darn thing -

LOU - Yah, okay, I'll have my girl send you over a copy, then.

BETTMAN - Okay, because if I can't correlate this breakdown with the number of years you’re offering, then I gotta call back that contract -

LOU - Yah, how much money was that?

BETTMAN – One hundred and two thousand dollars. See, I gotta correlate that money with the number of years it's being paid on.

LOU - Yah, no problem, I'll just fax that over to ya, then.

BETTMAN - No, no, fax is -

LOU - I mean send it over. I'll shoot it right over to ya.

BETTMAN - Okay.

LOU - Okay, real good, then.

All this talk I need a some place where I can get a steak and a shot.

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give the back of your hand to? What the heck kind of idiom is that? :blink: you can know it like the back of your hand , you can give a back-handed compliment... show you the back of my hand -- like hit you...

anyhow... this isn't much fun. There can be no rumors of merit - this is a legal case now... like Tri said, I didn't sign up for a bad courtroom drama. This is downright unpleasant. It's just not amusing. :saddevil: Speculation is unpleasant on all counts - Lou being a big dick or Lou getting royally dicked over.

I feel disillusioned at the moment and there will be no rectifying that until I hear the full resolved story.

so...

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I've read on other sites that it's just the last few years and that the player's salary can't drop more than 50% from one year to the next. Should be an easy fix. This was posted at devilsrule.com:

"Altering the final 6 years would look like this:

21-22 = $1.75million

22-23 900 NHL

23-24 550 NHL

24-25 550 NHL

25-26 550 NHL

26-27 LY 550 NHL

It would bring the contract value up to $103.35 million...which would make the cap hit 6.08million for the duration of the contract.

A minor change makes this contract legal and within the rules of the CBA. Then the NHL really has no leg to stand on to reject the deal UNLESS they can prove kovalchuk, his agent or the people they have dealt with at the Devils ever made the implication that he would retire before the end of the contract."

So perhaps this is just all a tempest in a teapot.

If it was a simple math issue based on rules that are clearly laid out in the CBA, this would be done by now, and the NHL would have said so. The league has made it clear that it is relying on the catchall provision in the CBA that prohibits "circumvention."

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From TG

The Devils believe the NHL was wrong to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk.

“We are extremely disappointed that the NHL has decided to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk,” Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said in a statement released by the team. “The contract complies with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. We will have no further comment until the process outlined in the CBA is complete.”

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and nice job Bulletproof... that was a sad movie but also I was really depressed by that too.... I just thought ti wasn't funny - with the woodchipper and stuff... but it was funny all the same... also...

I talk like that... formative speaking years and all in Bismarck and St Paul... I might not... just -- sometimes I do. :saddevil:

This sucks.

:evilcry: :evilcry: :evilcry:

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