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The Devils believe the NHL was wrong to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk.

“We are extremely disappointed that the NHL has decided to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk,” Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said in a statement released by the team. “The contract complies with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. We will have no further comment until the process outlined in the CBA is complete.”

Lock and load Lou!!!

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The Devils believe the NHL was wrong to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk.

“We are extremely disappointed that the NHL has decided to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk,” Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said in a statement released by the team. “The contract complies with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. We will have no further comment until the process outlined in the CBA is complete.”

So I guess restructuring the deal is off the table now? Seems like he wants his contract and Kovy will try to get the Union to fight for it.

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The Devils believe the NHL was wrong to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk.

“We are extremely disappointed that the NHL has decided to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk,” Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said in a statement released by the team. “The contract complies with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. We will have no further comment until the process outlined in the CBA is complete.”

Seems Lou won't be restructuring $hit!!

Hang on boys....we're going to court

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From TG

The Devils believe the NHL was wrong to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk.

“We are extremely disappointed that the NHL has decided to reject the contract of Ilya Kovalchuk,” Devils GM Lou Lamoriello said in a statement released by the team. “The contract complies with the terms of the collective bargaining agreement. We will have no further comment until the process outlined in the CBA is complete.”

Sounds like Lou will be bringing the heat. Get 'er done Lou.

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Seems Lou won't be restructuring $hit!!

Hang on boys....we're going to court

Well, the Devils won't. First, it's more like Hold on Boys, Kovy is going to Arbitration. BUt that doesn't sound quite as good,

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Seems Lou won't be restructuring $hit!!

Hang on boys....we're going to court

I wouldn't read too much into it. Restructuring is part of the process laid out in the CBA. Plus, he'd be a fool to take restructuring off the table completely since it isn't up to him whether this goes to arbitration.

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Well, the Devils won't. First, it's more like Hold on Boys, Kovy is going to Arbitration. BUt that doesn't sound quite as good,

Exactly

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No retroactivity. Those deals are not going anywhere save a new CBA.

Indeed Daniel. The NHL has no legal standing to "all of a sudden" start rejecting these longs ass contracts. Just like a contract between a team and a player, they cannot by law (CBA) be restructured. Bettman and his shills have no legal standing. If Lou takes this to court, Bettman loses.

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Indeed Daniel. The NHL has no legal standing to "all of a sudden" start rejecting these longs ass contracts. Just like a contract between a team and a player, they cannot by law (CBA) be restructured. Bettman and his shills have no legal standing. If Lou takes this to court, Bettman loses.

Their standing is where the differences are between the already existing contracts and this one. Do any of the others front load this much? If so, how many? Do any of the other contracts have the player making the league minimum? If so, how many and how long are they making the league minimum? While I fully expect it to go Kovy's way, there are always methods and arguments to be made on why they would have standing to reject the contract.

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and nice job Bulletproof... that was a sad movie but also I was really depressed by that too.... I just thought ti wasn't funny - with the woodchipper and stuff... but it was funny all the same... also...

I talk like that... formative speaking years and all in Bismarck and St Paul... I might not... just -- sometimes I do. :saddevil:

This sucks.

:evilcry: :evilcry: :evilcry:

This is America so please speak English....I don't speak Jane

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just out of curiosity, who does everyone agree on is a credible source for hockey rumors and news? :noclue:

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Indeed Daniel. The NHL has no legal standing to "all of a sudden" start rejecting these longs ass contracts. Just like a contract between a team and a player, they cannot by law (CBA) be restructured. Bettman and his shills have no legal standing. If Lou takes this to court, Bettman loses.

I think you're confusing two different things. There are the specific contracts that have already been approved (Hossa, Pronger, etc) and then there is Kovlachuk's. Obviouslythe NHL cannot "unapprove" contracts they approved more than a year ago. They can, and have, disapproved Kovalchuk's deal. Lou can try to take this to court, but he'll lose, and badly at that. Unless the deal is restructured, it's in the arbitrator's hands (of course, assuming the NHLPA, and not Lou, files a grievance). It is extremely difficult, if not downright impossible in this case, to convince a court to overturn the arbitrator's decision.

And to be clear, if I were Vegas, unless the vig was enormous, I would not accept bets on how the arbitrator will rule.

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i don't trust anything 100% til it happens. everyone seems to have their "sources" but they hardly reveal them - i.e. Єklund (2.3% accurate)

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I'm sick of this drama. For a day or two there, I was pumped and couldn't wait for the season to start. Now I'm back to being worried and uncertain. I know that the odds are this will be cleared up one way or another and we'll all move on, but I'm sick of this waiting. I want everything to be settled already.

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i don't trust anything 100% til it happens. everyone seems to have their "sources" but they hardly reveal them - i.e. Єklund (2.3% accurate)

i agree with you 100%. i never trust anyone until its finally revealed. it make me think about the 2000 presidential elections

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Does anybody know where all this "Lou Knew" controversy crap is coming from? I'm only seeing it on ESPN per Scott Burnside. A less than reliable source but this is what they're playing on their ticker and programming. Did anyone see this before Burnside reported? Any ideas on possible source or is it safe to assume this is Burnside being his usual self? If he's making this up, this crosses the damn line, that's a very serious accusation.

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Does anybody know where all this "Lou Knew" controversy crap is coming from? I'm only seeing it on ESPN per Scott Burnside. A less than reliable source but this is what they're playing on their ticker and programming. Did anyone see this before Burnside reported? Any ideas on possible source or is it safe to assume this is Burnside being his usual self? If he's making this up, this crosses the damn line, that's a very serious accusation.

EJ Hradek appears to also claim to have his own source, or at the very least, "verified" Burnside's source.

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Does anybody know where all this "Lou Knew" controversy crap is coming from? I'm only seeing it on ESPN per Scott Burnside. A less than reliable source but this is what they're playing on their ticker and programming. Did anyone see this before Burnside reported? Any ideas on possible source or is it safe to assume this is Burnside being his usual self? If he's making this up, this crosses the damn line, that's a very serious accusation.

Maybe we can get Burnside fired like the Republicans got Dan Rather fired :rofl:

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I think you're confusing two different things. There are the specific contracts that have already been approved (Hossa, Pronger, etc) and then there is Kovlachuk's. Obviouslythe NHL cannot "unapprove" contracts they approved more than a year ago. They can, and have, disapproved Kovalchuk's deal. Lou can try to take this to court, but he'll lose, and badly at that. Unless the deal is restructured, it's in the arbitrator's hands (of course, assuming the NHLPA, and not Lou, files a grievance). It is extremely difficult, if not downright impossible in this case, to convince a court to overturn the arbitrator's decision.

And to be clear, if I were Vegas, unless the vig was enormous, I would not accept bets on how the arbitrator will rule.

I see where your coming from, but here:-

The Devils have not done anything illegal as far as the contract and CBA are concerned, therefore, the NHL has no legal grounds to reject it.

As far as "spirit" is concerned, that's just like an "unwritten rule" in the game itself. "Spirit" bears no legal standing.

Lou will win on the premise that no law (CBA) was broken.

Edited by Neutral Zone Trap

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I'm only on page 315, but here's a couple comments for up to then... smilydev.gif

Since neither of those two conditions have happened yet, Kovalchuk is still signed and under contract. Douchebag, learn to get your facts straight."

worthy.gif Great job! And great use of the Douchebag. :clap2:

However, the argument shouldn't even be tossed around that Kovalchuk could be playing at 44, because he won't be.

Why not? With his NTC at that stage still there, but his NMC gone, the Devils organization could state they paln to use him to mentor younguns and be a call up if his depth/experience are needed for the seasons and playoffs in those years where he is in his 40's.

I think it is reasonable for the Devils organization to plan to employ Ilya as an awesome asset to use in this way. And the payroll would be proper for the amount of time he gets on the NHL ice.

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I see where your coming from, but here:-

The Devils have not done anything illegal as far as the contract and CBA are concerned, therefore, the NHL has no legal grounds to reject it.

As far as "spirit" is concerned, that's just like an "unwritten rule" in the game itself. "Spirit" bears no legal standing.

Lou will win on the premise that no law (CBA) was broken.

That is certainly an argument the NHLPA will make to an arbitrator if it gets that far. The NHL will counter that they have violated the catchall provision of the CBA that says you can't structure a deal in such a way as to circumvent the cap. The NHLPA will respond that virtually identical deals have been approved in the past. NHL will respond that this one is different for reasons, x, y and z. NHLPA says those are all distinctions without differences.

Who the arbitration sides with is anyone's guess.

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As far as "spirit" is concerned, that's just like an "unwritten rule" in the game itself. "Spirit" bears no legal standing.

Lou will win on the premise that no law (CBA) was broken.

In this case it's written that the league can void contracts based on intent. So in this case "spirit" will very much have legal standing as both sides argue which future is more likely, the one where Ilya plays at 44 and the one where he doesn't.

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