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New Kovy Update ("As the Kovy Turns")

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LA Kings looking to make a deal. Montreal Gazette reports...

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Making+deal+with+Devils/3307473/story.html

Making a deal with the Devils

The Devils acquired Kovalchuk in a mid-season trade with the Atlanta Thrashers last season and along with the Los Angeles Kings have courted him since free agency began July 1. Kings general manager Dean Lombardi told the team's website his club would still be interested in signing Kovalchuk if the deal with the Devils falls through.

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All is well. The NHL simply fired a salvo across the bow of the GMs fully knowing they will not win in arbitration. On the longshot the NHL does win, the contract would be tweaked such that the NHL could not reject it again.

I have full confidence that #17 will be here for quite some time.

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All is well. The NHL simply fired a salvo across the bow of the GMs fully knowing they will not win in arbitration. On the longshot the NHL does win, the contract would be tweaked such that the NHL could not reject it again.

I have full confidence that #17 will be here for quite some time.

Here's hoping.

I thought maybe this was a blessing... I mean talk to us in 10 years and we might not even want any part of Kovalchuk. But I'm all for it now, and I don't understand why the NHL would take it out on New Jersey, and not start at the Hossa contract.

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I'm confident he returns even if the contract gets voided in arbitration. His comments tuesday at the press conference alone locked him in here. If he goes elsewhere at this point, it would create not only a fan backlash, but it would be a PR nightmare for him for the rest of his career. Every game, every mistake, every detail of his play would come into question and he would also could be looked upon as a fraud for saying so many things that made him seem dedicated to one team, and then for him to turn around and bolt just because the original contract was rejected by some fat midget who cant see over the steering wheel of his own car.

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Dean Lombardi is the biggest :blahblah: GM in the league. He doesn't know when to shut his mouth. I wouldn't take too much stock in them saying that they would be interested in Kovy again. Of course they're interested - Kovy abandoned them, Gagne signed in with Tampa, and he has droves of fans outside his office with pitchforks. I'm also interested in winning Mega Millions this Friday.

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Yeah makes you think -- will the NHL reject any Islanders contract for circumventing the floor? :unsure:

I'm confident he returns even if the contract gets voided in arbitration. His comments tuesday at the press conference alone locked him in here. If he goes elsewhere at this point, it would create not only a fan backlash, but it would be a PR nightmare for him for the rest of his career. Every game, every mistake, every detail of his play would come into question and he would also could be looked upon as a fraud for saying so many things that made him seem dedicated to one team, and then for him to turn around and bolt just because the original contract was rejected by some fat midget who cant see over the steering wheel of his own car.

Yeah - until the next moron comes along -- next off-season probably. Only Devils fans will feel that way long term. :evil:

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That's what I thought too, that a new deal could be created to avoid the arbitration...in fact the rule I posted seems to suggest it. But I agree with you, that since I haven't heard any sportswriters mention the clause I posted it doesn't apply for some reason.

If I were representing the Devils organization, I wouldn't even think of suggesting a new deal to Kovalchuk. It's his job to come back and say - Look, can we re-structure this thing and see what happens?

Even if I'd want to give the NHL the big fvck you and fight to the death, it's all about what Kovalchuk wants, not the organization, THAT is what good faith negotiating is about. The whole claim is that the Devils were NOT negotiating in good faith. They were though - it's always been in Kovalchuk's court. That's one of the reason I like that he is on record as saying he wanted 17 years because it's his number - his dad died on the 17th. It has genuine significance to him. Even if it's a line it was HIS call not the organizations therefore NOT a bad-faith request on NJ's part.

Basically bottom line: If the Devils look to do anything other than follow Kovalchuk's lead it's proof positive of bad faith negotiation - if not before the rejection then it most certainly would be after the fact, And that is NOT the Devils way.

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If I were representing the Devils organization, I wouldn't even think of suggesting a new deal to Kovalchuk. It's his job to come back and say - Look, can we re-structure this thing and see what happens?

Even if I'd want to give the NHL the big fvck you and fight to the death, it's all about what Kovalchuk wants, not the organization, THAT is what good faith negotiating is about. The whole claim is that the Devils were NOT negotiating in good faith. They were though - it's always been in Kovalchuk's court. That's one of the reason I like that he is on record as saying he wanted 17 years because it's his number - his dad died on the 17th. It has genuine significance to him. Even if it's a line it was HIS call not the organizations therefore NOT a bad-faith request on NJ's part.

Basically bottom line: If the Devils look to do anything other than follow Kovalchuk's lead it's proof positive of bad faith negotiation - if not before the rejection then it most certainly would be after the fact, And that is NOT the Devils way.

I agree with this completely. Well said, PK.

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I also really feel for the journalists out there ... or sports writer - its a tough job if you're a Devils fan. Lou cannot say certain things. These guys have to get out the message in competitive time or risk not being listened to. and sometimes they get the intent wrong. Lou cannot spell out his intent because that's far too specific. He has to paint with broad strokes and he's got to find the journalist who knows the Ineffable System well enough to translate the message. I had the feel of it yesterdays but it was all too much. It was too much because I didn't get the hidden message from Lou's insinuations before the contract was rejected. Lou was unclear in fact - but he had it in his head what he was getting at... dope. I suspect that was over thinking to the point of missing that middle step - that they had a heads up the contract might be rejected but didn't take much stock in it because it's a standard message that goes out to all teams that must cross some line NHL has set out but hasn't communicated - because they can't because it's illegal in the CBA basically instigating collusion.

Yes yes -- all the pieces are just falling perfectly into place for me. I'm massively pissed I didn't get this right off the bat - we could have helped TG get the message straight. PuckDaddy could have spun it all out correctly from the start. But I ... I dont know if even I can get it all out properly now - what's so clear -- generally though, once I get it, the whole world has too so.... now it's re-spinning, rewinding and putting it all back the way Lou intended... (of course I knwo it's just the way I see things but I love to think I see them the Devils way :giggle: )

TRAUMA!

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If I were representing the Devils organization, I wouldn't even think of suggesting a new deal to Kovalchuk. It's his job to come back and say - Look, can we re-structure this thing and see what happens?

Even if I'd want to give the NHL the big fvck you and fight to the death, it's all about what Kovalchuk wants, not the organization, THAT is what good faith negotiating is about. The whole claim is that the Devils were NOT negotiating in good faith. They were though - it's always been in Kovalchuk's court. That's one of the reason I like that he is on record as saying he wanted 17 years because it's his number - his dad died on the 17th. It has genuine significance to him. Even if it's a line it was HIS call not the organizations therefore NOT a bad-faith request on NJ's part.

Basically bottom line: If the Devils look to do anything other than follow Kovalchuk's lead it's proof positive of bad faith negotiation - if not before the rejection then it most certainly would be after the fact, And that is NOT the Devils way.

i didn't think of it like this, but you're absolutely right. it has to be kind of terrifying for lou and company to be in such a position, but their move should be no move at all.

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When do the 120 hours to file grievance start from? Tuesday night or when the NHL announced it??

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This puts a ton of pressure on Kovalchuk.

If it turns out the way I'm thinking it will... having the press conference knowing the contract was going to get rejected was GENIUS.

Now it's up to Kovy to live by his word. He said he wanted to be here and he said it's not about the money.

So he's got two options. He can either go to Lou and say "We can change this deal and make it acceptable to the leauge." Or he can agree to fight the hell out of his contract to make sure it's accepted by the arbitrator.

Lou's done a great job so far.

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Well, at least it's not boring. Hell, it's almost like not having an offseason at all! This ridiculousness has made summer WAY more tolerable than usual. In a weird painful sorta way.

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If I were representing the Devils organization, I wouldn't even think of suggesting a new deal to Kovalchuk. It's his job to come back and say - Look, can we re-structure this thing and see what happens?

Even if I'd want to give the NHL the big fvck you and fight to the death, it's all about what Kovalchuk wants, not the organization, THAT is what good faith negotiating is about. The whole claim is that the Devils were NOT negotiating in good faith. They were though - it's always been in Kovalchuk's court. That's one of the reason I like that he is on record as saying he wanted 17 years because it's his number - his dad died on the 17th. It has genuine significance to him. Even if it's a line it was HIS call not the organizations therefore NOT a bad-faith request on NJ's part.

Basically bottom line: If the Devils look to do anything other than follow Kovalchuk's lead it's proof positive of bad faith negotiation - if not before the rejection then it most certainly would be after the fact, And that is NOT the Devils way.

+1

Er ... I mean :clap2:

We're all so used to the concept that Lou is always in control, but in a process like this, how much is the GM really the one in control? How much does the player and agent dictate? Is it really such a stretch to say Kovalchuk was the one insisting on 17 years (for all the reasons 17 is important to him) and $102M ($1M more than the Thrashers offered)? Is it really unfathomable that Kovy/Grossman put those numbers on the table and Vanderbeek told Lou to make it work, and Lou used the framework of previously approved contracts to construct something that technically abided by the CBA even though it made him roll his eyes?

I don't know ... I feel like this scenario, however unlikely it may be, fits Lou's quotes from the other day better than any other conspiracy theory floating around.

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kovalchuk said the devils suggested 17 years.

Did he? I thought in an after interview he had said he had because 17 was a significant number for him. I even got that he had always intended to sign with the Devils - he just wanted to decide on July 17th since that was the day his dad died -sort of like a tribute to his dad and his choice for a life devoted to hockey- it was in that interview I got the idea it was his call. Selective hearing I guess :evil: I'm too sentimental :blush:

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kovalchuk said the devils suggested 17 years.

Hmmm, OK. I missed the presser because I was at work so I missed that part.

Assuming players tell the truth at pressers like this (and, really, it isn't like Kovy had much reason to lie on this particular subject at the time), maybe they put the dollar amount on the table and Vanderbeek told Lou to make that work?

I don't think it's a coincidence that Kovalchuk's cap hit came out to $6M, the same as Elias. IIRC, Kenny Holland did something similar with Hossa's one-year deal in Detroit, where he refused to pay him more than Lidstrom. It just so happens that 17 years is the magic number to make $102M work out like that.

I kinda dislike speculating so much, but there isn't a whole lot of actual news coming out so .....

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There aren't many, if any, UFAs that will be available in the interim who can demand this kind of deal.

no - but there are plenty of RFA's who could get them before the CBA expires - chara, stamkos, parise, ryan, carter, thornton (ufa actually), setoguci, doughty - just to name several. they'd all be in line for crazy deals like this.

kovalchuk said the devils suggested 17 years.

yes - it's been reported that the 17/102 deal was the deal the Devils offered Kovy on 7/1 - i believe it was Vanderbeek who said that explaining that the whole process was them just waiting out kovalchuk.

what scares me even more is that there were reports that if the Devils had offered 15 years with heavy front loading, THAT would also be rejected. this might HAVE to go to arbitration because the league may just continue rejecting them all at this point, regardless of precedent.

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I think the NHL knows they will lose.

They pulled the plug on this contact as a warning to other GM's saying "We will make your signings a huge pain in the ass if you try this."

The language of the CBA is clear and Lou knows what he can and can't do from a legal standpoint.

The "spirit" of the CBA will not be present in a courtroom. I don't see how the arbitrator would uphold this decision.

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Well, at least it's not boring. Hell, it's almost like not having an offseason at all! This ridiculousness has made summer WAY more tolerable than usual. In a weird painful sorta way.

Couldn't agree more - it's like hockey 24/7/365 :)

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it will still take too much time to resolve. If the NHL really knows they will lose, they will take FOREVER to select an arbiter and more than likely drag out the battle well into next season.

The Devils is a market the NHL can afford to fvck with. It's strong enough that they'll gain lots of press from the battle, they won't kill the team as they would should they take the Yotes to task or some other small market venue with no recent history of winning. and the market is weak enough that the public outcry will only serve to create press, not kill the NHL's reputation as say attacking the Leafs, Pens or Rangers would.

Lou is fvcked. Nothing personal he just gave them the perfect sacrificial lamb. My ASS he orchestrated it -- but indeed he couldn't have provided a more perfect target to be made into the "example" <_<

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This whole Kovy thing is seeping in everywhere. I had a dream last night that I met Jesus and I asked him about the Holy Grail and he replied, "Don't worry about my cup."

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All these conspiracy theories are making my head spin.

On a related note, is anyone else's head itchy from wearing these tin foil caps all day? Should I be worried?

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