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New Kovy Update ("As the Kovy Turns")

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Where else is Kovy going to go? If it was entirely about the money he'd liquidate Russia and go there. If it's about joining the Devils he could still sign, we don't know what he will or won't accept yet. But the market for him went significantly downward since he signed his first contract, and it wasn't all that high then either. LA can't offer him the 15-80 in this climate even if they wanted to, especially since they spent cap space on Ponikarovsky and is hell-bent on not tying up long-term cap space. Who else in the NHL is even offering him money?

Basically the Devils are bidding against themselves right now unless he takes a one-year offer from someone and gets back on this merry-go-round next year.

My sentiments exactly.

The arbitrator's ruling really fvcked up a lot of things with the contracts. The NHL never came out and said that these are the guidelines to get a contract approved so now the Devs are stuck in limbo with the contract. They basically have to thread the needle on this one since the NHL feels empowered enough to investigate other contracts. The Devils could sign Kovy to a Hossa-like deal but the NHL looking at his contract causes a lot of hesitancy. Thanks a bunch Gary B, Asswipe!!

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Clearly LL went in to this knowing there is a plan b since the nhl told him it would be rejected before he submitted it. Now he has to wait a few days before a new contract so he doesn't look so sinister and all knowing (it would make him look like he knew it would get rejected so he had a back up ready, which he won't show). 17th it is.

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If the Devils did contact the NHL in regards to a new contract I'm sure the NHL replied with some vague description of an acceptable contract. It's like that Supreme Court judge said in regards to pornography: The NHL can't define an unacceptable contract but they know one when they see it.

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to me, there are at least 5 or possibly 6 years on the back of the kovalchuk contract that he never intended to play, so that makes structuring a new contract very difficult. if kovalchuk signs a 14 year, 98 million dollar deal (which is the highest he can hope for, i think), he'll still have to structure it such that the final two years have at least 3 million between them, and i would hope 5 million. if he doesn't intend to play those final two years, he's out between 3 million and 5 million on the entire deal. and that's in the best case - i have to imagine that lou wants it closer to 14 years, 90 million, in which case kovalchuk would lose out on between 11 and 13 million dollars.

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to me, there are at least 5 or possibly 6 years on the back of the kovalchuk contract that he never intended to play, so that makes structuring a new contract very difficult. if kovalchuk signs a 14 year, 98 million dollar deal (which is the highest he can hope for, i think), he'll still have to structure it such that the final two years have at least 3 million between them, and i would hope 5 million. if he doesn't intend to play those final two years, he's out between 3 million and 5 million on the entire deal. and that's in the best case - i have to imagine that lou wants it closer to 14 years, 90 million, in which case kovalchuk would lose out on between 11 and 13 million dollars.

Playing King Solomon, let's call it 14/94 and get this over with. Tri, how much more difficult will it be for the Devils to fill out their roster and get under the cap with a 6.7 million cap hit?

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dchesnokov: Shareholders of Gazprom, the main sponsor of KHL's SKA, will conduct an investigation into the company spending on high profile players.

:lol:

and they will later be executed. Gazprom could spend a bajillion dollars on hockey players as long as Putin has no problem with this.

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Playing King Solomon, let's call it 14/94 and get this over with. Tri, how much more difficult will it be for the Devils to fill out their roster and get under the cap with a 6.7 million cap hit?

it's so hard to say. the devils would be 3.01 million over the cap with 12 forwards, 7 D, and 2 goalies. so they'd have to cut two of salvador, rolston, zubrus, and i'll throw white into this. that would leave them with 17 roster players, so they'd have to have at least 4 and probably 5 players fill in. it'd be a real tight squeeze with 5, as assuming it would be salvador and zubrus who get the ax, that's only 3.3 million for 5 players. they would probably have to go with only one extra player for the first part of the season, hopefully clearing enough space for another one later on.

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it's so hard to say. the devils would be 3.01 million over the cap with 12 forwards, 7 D, and 2 goalies. so they'd have to cut two of salvador, rolston, zubrus, and i'll throw white into this. that would leave them with 17 roster players, so they'd have to have at least 4 and probably 5 players fill in. it'd be a real tight squeeze with 5, as assuming it would be salvador and zubrus who get the ax, that's only 3.3 million for 5 players. they would probably have to go with only one extra player for the first part of the season, hopefully clearing enough space for another one later on.

Why 5 players? 23 man was a full roster last time I checked. We would only need to sign 4 players.

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Per Єklund (2.3% accurate)

Kovalchuk and NJ apparently are very close to another deal, and may just be waiting to see where the NHL sets the Devils cap space as punishment for the whole circumvention. I was told Kovalchuk and the Devils are 99% there....

more to come...

So this means that Lou hasn't even spoken to Kovy or Grossman. :whistling:

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to me, there are at least 5 or possibly 6 years on the back of the kovalchuk contract that he never intended to play, so that makes structuring a new contract very difficult. if kovalchuk signs a 14 year, 98 million dollar deal (which is the highest he can hope for, i think), he'll still have to structure it such that the final two years have at least 3 million between them, and i would hope 5 million. if he doesn't intend to play those final two years, he's out between 3 million and 5 million on the entire deal. and that's in the best case - i have to imagine that lou wants it closer to 14 years, 90 million, in which case kovalchuk would lose out on between 11 and 13 million dollars.

I hope you're right, but something tells me Kovalchuk won't be OK with parting ways with 10M+. It's true that he doesn't have much of a choice if he wants to stay in the NHL, but still, that's a hard pill for anyone to swallow.

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Why 5 players? 23 man was a full roster last time I checked. We would only need to sign 4 players.

we have 19 players and we would lose 2 of them, leaving us at 17.

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Per Єklund (2.3% accurate)

Kovalchuk and NJ apparently are very close to another deal, and may just be waiting to see where the NHL sets the Devils cap space as punishment for the whole circumvention. I was told Kovalchuk and the Devils are 99% there....

more to come...

So this means that Lou hasn't even spoken to Kovy or Grossman. :whistling:

As much as I hate this scumbag, plus the fact that he really doesn't know many of the finer nuances of hockey rules and regulations, I have to give it to him that he IS correct sometimes, way before anyone else. A few weeks ago he reported Gagne to Tampa being done WAY before anyone else did. Yesterday, he reported that sources are telling him that the NYI are calling agents and telling them to bring whatever unsigned players they have to their training camp, which was only reported by NYI beat writers today. He's a sensationalist prick, and 99% of what comes out of his mouth is bullsh!t, but I am more inclined to at least consider what he says then I was before.

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we have 19 players and we would lose 2 of them, leaving us at 17.

With Kovalchuk, we're at 12 + 7 + 2 = 21. Assuming two players get nixed, as per your post, that would leave us at 11 + 6 + 2 = 19. At the very most, we would need to get 4 players to reach a 23 man roster, and most likely could easily be fine with 22. Am I missing something?

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we have 19 players and we would lose 2 of them, leaving us at 17.

If so, you have just inadvertently added to the 17 obsession.

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With Kovalchuk, we're at 12 + 7 + 2 = 21. Assuming two players get nixed, as per your post, that would leave us at 11 + 6 + 2 = 19. At the very most, we would need to get 4 players to reach a 23 man roster, and most likely could easily be fine with 22. Am I missing something?

no you're not, i can't count. yeah that makes things much easier. means that rolston can be safely re-entry waivered and that new jersey does not have to lose zubrus if it doesn't want to.

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As much as I hate this scumbag, plus the fact that he really doesn't know many of the finer nuances of hockey rules and regulations, I have to give it to him that he IS correct sometimes, way before anyone else. A few weeks ago he reported Gagne to Tampa being done WAY before anyone else did. Yesterday, he reported that sources are telling him that the NYI are calling agents and telling them to bring whatever unsigned players they have to their training camp, which was only reported by NYI beat writers today. He's a sensationalist prick, and 99% of what comes out of his mouth is bullsh!t, but I am more inclined to at least consider what he says then I was before.

Єklund (2.3% accurate) is like the woman from Southampton who predicted the Titanic would sink. Of course, she predicted that every ship that sailed from Southampton would sink ...

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Screw Єklund (2.3% accurate) what does Kovy's mom say, She is the best! Dont Mess with Ma Kovy!!!!daz.gif

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Imo if the devils and kovy agree to a 15-100 or whatever contract immediately following the rejection of the initial contract...it looks fishy.

Almost as if the devils were like, "Hey, this'll probably get rejected, but what the hell let's try anyway". Seems like a more fine-able attitude.

And as Tri said...they have to really nail this next contract. Second rejection = fines.

Yeah but why don't they come up with something "legal" that Lou, grossman, kovy, etc all agree on but not sign until they submit it to the league and get a guarantee it won't be rejected....THEN officially sign it. Then it would cut down on all this wait time.

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Yeah but why don't they come up with something "legal" that Lou, grossman, kovy, etc all agree on but not sign until they submit it to the league and get a guarantee it won't be rejected....THEN officially sign it. Then it would cut down on all this wait time.

it doesn't work that way. they're not going to review the deal for you beforehand. if you make some kind of small error, they may kick it back to you and tell you what to do (like in the Erat denial)... but in this case, you're not going to get to float 10 "goofy" contracts to them to see which work.

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Yeah but why don't they come up with something "legal" that Lou, grossman, kovy, etc all agree on but not sign until they submit it to the league and get a guarantee it won't be rejected....THEN officially sign it. Then it would cut down on all this wait time.

Definitely agree with you...but can the league work with the devils like that? I'm wondering if the league would even agree to assist the devils (not a conspiracy thing here).

I'm under the impression that the league's sole role is to approve or reject. Not help design the contract. That being said...you'd think the league would give more clear guidelines...

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Єklund (2.3% accurate) is like the woman from Southampton who predicted the Titanic would sink. Of course, she predicted that every ship that sailed from Southampton would sink ...

Agreed, although it's a little more complex then just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. I'm just giving credit where credit is due I guess.

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Agreed, although it's a little more complex then just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. I'm just giving credit where credit is due I guess.

if we're all going to make fun of him when he's horribly wrong, he at least does deserve some credit. I'm still taking the Kovy news with a grain of salt, but like you said, I'm more inclined to at least listen

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14 years isn't going to get them under a 7 mill cap hit with Kovy. I think the next contract is gonna be 15 years and there is still going to be a free movement year:

2010-11: $6 Million

2011-12: $6 Million

2012-13: $11 Million

2013-14: $11 Million

2014-15: $11 Million

2015-16: $11 Million

2016-17: $11 Million

2017-18: $10 Million (no-movement clause ends on June 30, 2018)

2018-19: $8.5 Million

2019-20: $6.5 Million (no-trade clause begins on July 1, 2019)

2020-21: $3.5 Million

2021-22: $1.5 Million

2022-23: $1.5 Million

2023-24: $1 Million

2024-25: $1 Million

Total

15 seasons: $100.5 million $6.7 Million cap hit.

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Agreed, although it's a little more complex then just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. I'm just giving credit where credit is due I guess.

I think Єklund (2.3% accurate) might have some sources - IIRC, on Flyers-related stuff, he's traditionally been not terrible. However, I think he has absolutely zero sources about anything Kovalchuk related. The guy basically broke Kovalchuk to LA right when everyone else was reporting as a fact that Kovalchuk was coming to NJ.

ben00rs: the NHL says to that contract, see you at arbitration. and they'd probably win.

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I think Єklund (2.3% accurate) might have some sources - IIRC, on Flyers-related stuff, he's traditionally been not terrible. However, I think he has absolutely zero sources about anything Kovalchuk related. The guy basically broke Kovalchuk to LA right when everyone else was reporting as a fact that Kovalchuk was coming to NJ.

ben00rs: the NHL says to that contract, see you at arbitration. and they'd probably win.

Why would the NHL say no? They can't say yes to Hossa and no to that.

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