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i don't think anyone that makes decisions or pays money for season tickets thinks this.

edit: other than me

I agree with Tri. From a realistic perspective. Brodeur is an unnecessary part now with his age and salary and decline, and a bit of a roadblock in terms of being able to make hard decisions going forward.. I've always felt that he has had too much control and his stature has hurt the ability of some coaches when they have been here, particularly since Marty made himself a legend earlier in the decade. He's kind of like what I consider the on-ice version of Lou. Both are living off of past glory, but are hindering the team in doing so.

I think the Devils need to move on from the Brodeur era. Too many fans are living in the past. Both Lou and Brodeur have had fantastic careers and they have done a lot for the Devils. But it's time to get a fresh and rejuvenated era in here. Failure to accept this as reality, means subjecting this organization to potentially several more years of mediocrity than is necessary.

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Brodeur needs to go for sure, but I don't really care either way. I think we have bigger fish to fry.

As for White - I don't think we should give him up - UNLESS we get OVERpayment for Whitey. Then I do it, which obviously makes sense.

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Maybe Marty would go to Montreal. Back up Price in the playoffs.

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I'm starting to think somewhere in between. Assuming no new disasters, next year we'll probably be between missing the playoffs by 10 points and eeking in. Parise playing a full year, plus Kovy, Tallinder, Volchenkov (just by virtue of getting used to things, IMO anyway) improving will help. Brodeur, White being one year older plus even less defensive depth than this year will hurt.

Not bad enough to blow the whole thing up, not good enough for a major bounceback. 2012-13 season is probably when things start to turn around to everyone's liking. Maybe we'll have Larsson plus Jon Merrill (who is doing very well at Michigan, statwise anyway) to fill out the D. Tedenby/Josefson should both be solid NHLers by then. With Rolston gone, maybe enough cap space to sign another solid defenseman.

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I'm starting to think somewhere in between. Assuming no new disasters, next year we'll probably be between missing the playoffs by 10 points and eeking in. Parise playing a full year, plus Kovy, Tallinder, Volchenkov (just by virtue of getting used to things, IMO anyway) improving will help. Brodeur, White being one year older plus even less defensive depth than this year will hurt.

Not bad enough to blow the whole thing up, not good enough for a major bounceback. 2012-13 season is probably when things start to turn around to everyone's liking. Maybe we'll have Larsson plus Jon Merrill (who is doing very well at Michigan, statwise anyway) to fill out the D. Tedenby/Josefson should both be solid NHLers by then. With Rolston gone, maybe enough cap space to sign another solid defenseman.

Ehh, I think we may be able to move a couple guys to clear enough cap space to maybe bring in another decent d man from another team in the off season. Everyone knows I want Big Buff but that might very well cost us 6mil the way he's playing. If Arnott, Langs come off the books, maybe Greene and Clarkson get traded perhaps we get Parise and a good d man. Not exactly Byfuglien but someone good. I think at the very least things should be better next season.

Bottom line: two pieces we need, a center for Kovy and one more D Man. I think you can find a good center for Kovy at a good price. Rich Peverley is a UFA this off season, so is Mikhail Grabovski. Alex Semin would be pretty pricey. I think one more D Man, stay at home or PMD would be useful as well. Tao has the potential to be a solid PMD.

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I'm starting to think somewhere in between. Assuming no new disasters, next year we'll probably be between missing the playoffs by 10 points and eeking in. Parise playing a full year, plus Kovy, Tallinder, Volchenkov (just by virtue of getting used to things, IMO anyway) improving will help. Brodeur, White being one year older plus even less defensive depth than this year will hurt.

Not bad enough to blow the whole thing up, not good enough for a major bounceback. 2012-13 season is probably when things start to turn around to everyone's liking. Maybe we'll have Larsson plus Jon Merrill (who is doing very well at Michigan, statwise anyway) to fill out the D. Tedenby/Josefson should both be solid NHLers by then. With Rolston gone, maybe enough cap space to sign another solid defenseman.

this is a playoff team next year.

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It's too early to tell I think.

But the Defense has serious issues with moving the puck, and it's looking like the Devils are going to be losing Andy Greene, who has been terrible this year, but is still their best puck moving defenseman. Great puck movers don't hit FA anymore, and I don't think Taormina and Salmela are going to take tremendous steps this year to become great at it. How the hell do they fill in that hole if not through high draft picks/great development?

The injuries this year have been awful, but I really think the current plight of the Devils can be traced to losing Oduya, Martin, and Mottau in a 6 month span. I don't see a way to reload and take care of those huge losses, unless Taormina and Salmela become much better over the next 6 months.

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this is a playoff team next year.

What makes you think that? As it stands now, and all things being equal, the main differences will be: Parise for the entire year, Tedenby/Josefson improving, maybe a 19 year old Larsson/Coutier; no Langs, Arnott and maybe no Rolston, Clarkson, Andy Greene; other players past their prime getting older (White, Brodeur, Elias).

You don't stink this badly for it just to be a fluke. No, we're not late 90s Islanders bad. There's a good core of players. But the depth, especially at the blue-line, is more than a year away from being good enough to comfortably make the playoffs.

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What makes you think that? As it stands now, and all things being equal, the main differences will be: Parise for the entire year, Tedenby/Josefson improving, maybe a 19 year old Larsson/Coutier; no Langs, Arnott and maybe no Rolston, Clarkson, Andy Greene; other players past their prime getting older (White, Brodeur, Elias).

You don't stink this badly for it just to be a fluke. No, we're not late 90s Islanders bad. There's a good core of players. But the depth, especially at the blue-line, is more than a year away from being good enough to comfortably make the playoffs.

the flyers made the playoffs in 06. they made the playoffs in 08. in 07 they finished dead last.

the hurricanes made the playoffs in 09. they were the 7th worst team in the nhl last season. they are around nhl average this season, things could go either way for them.

a big part of things would be either getting rid of brodeur or getting a 1B goalie who can spell brodeur for 40 or so games.

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What makes you think that? As it stands now, and all things being equal, the main differences will be: Parise for the entire year, Tedenby/Josefson improving, maybe a 19 year old Larsson/Coutier; no Langs, Arnott and maybe no Rolston, Clarkson, Andy Greene; other players past their prime getting older (White, Brodeur, Elias).

You don't stink this badly for it just to be a fluke. No, we're not late 90s Islanders bad. There's a good core of players. But the depth, especially at the blue-line, is more than a year away from being good enough to comfortably make the playoffs.

Yeah but it's not like we lose Langs, Arnott, Rolston, Clarkson and Greene and not sign any UFAs. Having those players gone gives us like 10 mil to work with possibly. You could sign a few decent players for that coin. So making the playoffs next year is certainly a possibility if you uses his money wisely.

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Ehh, I think we may be able to move a couple guys to clear enough cap space to maybe bring in another decent d man from another team in the off season. Everyone knows I want Big Buff but that might very well cost us 6mil the way he's playing. If Arnott, Langs come off the books, maybe Greene and Clarkson get traded perhaps we get Parise and a good d man. Not exactly Byfuglien but someone good. I think at the very least things should be better next season.

Bottom line: two pieces we need, a center for Kovy and one more D Man. I think you can find a good center for Kovy at a good price. Rich Peverley is a UFA this off season, so is Mikhail Grabovski. Alex Semin would be pretty pricey. I think one more D Man, stay at home or PMD would be useful as well. Tao has the potential to be a solid PMD.

You can't really count on some free-agent signings this offseason to come to the rescue. Not saying it won't happen, but its too unpredictable to pin one's hopes on. Any assessment of any team down the road has to be based on the roster that will definitely (or almost definitely) be in place, plus where one can likely expect to be in the draft order.

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the flyers made the playoffs in 06. they made the playoffs in 08. in 07 they finished dead last.

the hurricanes made the playoffs in 09. they were the 7th worst team in the nhl last season. they are around nhl average this season, things could go either way for them.

a big part of things would be either getting rid of brodeur or getting a 1B goalie who can spell brodeur for 40 or so games.

Hurricanes maybe are a good comparison, but the Flyers are not. They had much more depth going into and out of their bad season. Their young guys on the upswing were Richards/Carter, who are much better than Tedenby/Josefson will be.

Yeah but it's not like we lose Langs, Arnott, Rolston, Clarkson and Greene and not sign any UFAs. Having those players gone gives us like 10 mil to work with possibly. You could sign a few decent players for that coin. So making the playoffs next year is certainly a possibility if you uses his money wisely.

I never said making the playoffs next year is out of the question. I just wouldn't get my hopes to high until the 2012-13 season.

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Hurricanes maybe are a good comparison, but the Flyers are not. They had much more depth going into and out of their bad season. Their young guys on the upswing were Richards/Carter, who are much better than Tedenby/Josefson will be.

in the devils' case, the improvement will come from having parise for a full season and having kovalchuk score like normal. let's not go painting these parallels too close. i'll start looking for comparable teams but there aren't going to be many who end up outshooting the opposition and yet ending up a lottery team. toronto last year was one, but their penalty killing was horrendous. right now the devils are -2 on special teams and -38 at evens despite outshooting teams. that's hard to do.

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Rebuild. You cant teach old dogs new tricks. The team needs a new style of play. One which includes puck handling and defensemen who get involved.

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Rebuild.

Off load 80% of the team.

Keep Parise, Travis, Kovy (of course), Tedenby, Greene perhaps.

Go young.

It'll take a few years but we can come back with a vengeance.

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