ATLL765 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 I figured since we're halfway through January and with the deadline about 6 weeks away, it's about the time where teams begin to realize that the playoffs are truly out of reach and will decide they should sell at the deadline. The around the league thread gets enough traffic as is, so I thought this deserved it's own thread.So start off, I've been wondering if the team will try to trade one of the young defenseman during the season or if they'll wait to see if there's more interest in the offseason. I doubt the team moves Severson and Helgeson isn't worth enough to bring back anything worthwhile, so it's gotta be one of Merrill, Larsson or Gelinas. With Gelinas being out of the lineup so much this year, I wonder if he still has enough value around the league in a trade too.I'm starting to think the best value would be to trade one of Merrill or Larsson for a RW, unless the team thinks that unloading Zidlicky at the deadline for a young RW is better than getting a pick for him. In which case moving one of the young d might not be necessary until we see if someone like Santini pushes for a spot in training camp next year.Just wanted to know what everyone thinks about this and any other trade rumors and whatnot could be posted here as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 If there is a team that will trade a young RW for Zidlicky, I'd do that. Or I would trade Merrill or Larsson for one. Those would be good deals as far as I am concerned. I agree Gelinas doesn't have the value at the moment. I'd also move Jagr if someone were willing to give something up for him. If its a 3rd or 4th, not sure I see the point in doing it though. And I don't know that he brings back much more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z-Man Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 Miikka Salomaki for Jagr, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 If there is a team that will trade a young RW for Zidlicky, I'd do that. Or I would trade Merrill or Larsson for one. Those would be good deals as far as I am concerned. I agree Gelinas doesn't have the value at the moment. I'd also move Jagr if someone were willing to give something up for him. If its a 3rd or 4th, not sure I see the point in doing it though. And I don't know that he brings back much more. He brings back a 2nd for sure. Guys like him are worth way more than a 4th. A 4th gets you a Ryder and Jagr is worth way more. I think that with Zid and Jagr, you need to see if one can be moved for a RW, preferably a young one to fill the hole there next year. If we can do that, then you can decide whether moving a young d either before FA where we'd look to sign a vet or until training camp next year if someone like Santini looks ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't have thought this last year, but I think Merrill OR Gelinas are the two most likely to get traded. I think Larsson and Severson have proved to Lou that they're two players to build around. Merrill is too, and Gelinas is a nice piece to have, but I think they're both expendable in the long run. Merrill is a top 4 on most teams below 14th place. I wouldn't mind trading Gelinas to some GM who looks at his numbers the past year and overvalues him but yeah, maybe his value's not there. Helgeson will fit in well here in the long term but doesn't have any trade value. I love Jagr, but have no problem if we move him for a 2nd (or more). We'd be dumb not to. Edited January 12, 2015 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I wouldn't have thought this last year, but I think Merrill OR Gelinas are the two most likely to get traded. I think Larsson and Severson have proved to Lou that they're two players to build around. Merrill is too, and Gelinas is a nice piece to have, but I think they're both expendable in the long run. Merrill is a top 4 on most teams below 14th place. I wouldn't mind trading Gelinas to some GM who looks at his numbers the past year and overvalues him but yeah, maybe his value's not there. Helgeson will fit in well here in the long term but doesn't have any trade value. I love Jagr, but have no problem if we move him for a 2nd (or more). We'd be dumb not to. I'd most like to see Gelinas be the one to go as well, but I'm really concerned that his value has dropped too much to make the return worthwhile without having to package him with assets I'd rather not part with. Larsson might be worth more than Merrill by virtue of being a RHD, but I think they're both similar in value. I don't think either brings back an established RW in return, but packaged with a mid round pick or Jagr might be able to bring back something very useful for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Oli Maata looks like he'll be out for the rest of season in Pittsburgh, shame they traded away their first...Zids is an option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Oli Maata looks like he'll be out for the rest of season in Pittsburgh, shame they traded away their first...Zids is an option Hell will freeze over before LL trades to a division rival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 This is silly. He'll trade to whoever gives him the best deal. Maybe not the Rangers, but he'd trade with the Isles he's done it before. Flyers won't be looking, so not to worry about that. You bet he'd trade with the Isles a veteran on an expiring contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 This is silly. He'll trade to whoever gives him the best deal. Maybe not the Rangers, but he'd trade with the Isles he's done it before. Flyers won't be looking, so not to worry about that. You bet he'd trade with the Isles a veteran on an expiring contract. When was the last time he made a trade of any significance with the Rags, Isles, Philly or Pittsburgh? The Rolston to the Isles trade doesn't really qualify as significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Probably the Vanbiesbrouck deal. Look, we have not been in this position to offload players like this. It's different when it's a youngish player who can come back to bite you. Tis isn't that. These are expiring contracts and if they are the top bidder, then they are the top bidder for expiring UFAs. Only thing I'll say it he won't trade with the NYR, other than that - Lou won't care. It's a different situation this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Probably the Vanbiesbrouck deal. Look, we have not been in this position to offload players like this. It's different when it's a youngish player who can come back to bite you. Tis isn't that. These are expiring contracts and if they are the top bidder, then they are the top bidder for expiring UFAs. Only thing I'll say it he won't trade with the NYR, other than that - Lou won't care. It's a different situation this time around. If Lou really sees this team as being years away from contention, maybe. It's just that in my lifetime(I'm 24), there's been pretty much no trades with division rivals. The Rolston trade was a nothing trade that was for money/cap reasons more than anything else. Outside of that, I can't name a trade that occurred that I can recall. I just think that there will be so many teams looking to add someone like Jagr at the deadline, that a trade to a division team won't need to occur. Same goes for Zidlicky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) The Devils haven't made deals with anyone. They rarely trade anymore. But they did make that Ruutu-Loktionov deal in the division last year. I think they would trade with anyone besides the Rangers and the Flyers. As for Merrill/Larsson, I don't think the Devils can afford to trade any of their D besides Gelinas. The D market this offseason is not good, and the Devils right now are still going to need 2 more D for next year's team if Zidlicky goes. Harrold is not an option. Greene-Severson, Merrill-Larsson is a good foundation for a top 4. Gelinas I'm not sure is an NHL player but we'll see how it goes with him the rest of the year. Santini is at least another year away and Albany doesn't have a ton of options. Edited January 13, 2015 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) The Devils haven't made deals with anyone. They rarely trade anymore. But they did make that Ruutu-Loktionov deal in the division last year. I think they would trade with anyone besides the Rangers and the Flyers. As for Merrill/Larsson, I don't think the Devils can afford to trade any of their D besides Gelinas. The D market this offseason is not good, and the Devils right now are still going to need 2 more D for next year's team if Zidlicky goes. Harrold is not an option. Greene-Severson, Merrill-Larsson is a good foundation for a top 4. Gelinas I'm not sure is an NHL player but we'll see how it goes with him the rest of the year. Santini is at least another year away and Albany doesn't have a ton of options. With the issue of filling out the 3rd pairing being one needing a solution for next year, would it be prudent to attempt a trade in the mold of Del Zotto for Klein with Gelinas? Then you only need to rotate Harrold, Helgeson, maybe sign Zid for one more year or look to FA to fill the 6 spot. Also you can then trade Jagr an/or Zid for picks or someone to fill the hole at RW next year. Edited January 13, 2015 by ATLL765 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) Despite that horrible gaffe in the Isles game, I do not want to see Larsson traded. He's shown some progress this year and I feel that his upside and staying here and learning under Stevens will help him. He's 22, its still far too soon to give up on him. Outside of Larsson-Severson, Henrique, Schneider, anyone else can get moved for the right price. Edited January 13, 2015 by ghdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My untouchables: Larsson Schneider Elias Severson Merrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 With the issue of filling out the 3rd pairing being one needing a solution for next year, would it be prudent to attempt a trade in the mold of Del Zotto for Klein with Gelinas? Then you only need to rotate Harrold, Helgeson, maybe sign Zid for one more year or look to FA to fill the 6 spot. Also you can then trade Jagr an/or Zid for picks or someone to fill the hole at RW next year. You're probably punting next year then by bringing those two back and I doubt you get much next year in a trade for guys who will be 43 and 39. Don't sleep on Hrabarenka getting a look for next year. Lou and company seem high on what he's done at Albany and they apparently really like Helgeson. There's only so many spots. I'd like to see if Lou could get a bit creative with bringing in some younger talent. I know it's easier said than done but I really want to move on from the old guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Hell will freeze over before LL trades to a division rival. Not sure about that. Rangers or Philly, (Lou doesn't do business with them) absolutely not. Hopefully, it depends on what he's getting back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 My untouchables: Larsson Schneider Elias Severson Merrill I agree with Schneider and Severson, and with Elias based on loyalty. For Larsson and Merrill, would depend on what was coming back. Could either get a top 6 forward? Could both get you a total stud forward? I'd consider those scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The Devils haven't made deals with anyone. They rarely trade anymore. But they did make that Ruutu-Loktionov deal in the division last year. I think they would trade with anyone besides the Rangers and the Flyers. As for Merrill/Larsson, I don't think the Devils can afford to trade any of their D besides Gelinas. The D market this offseason is not good, and the Devils right now are still going to need 2 more D for next year's team if Zidlicky goes. Harrold is not an option. Greene-Severson, Merrill-Larsson is a good foundation for a top 4. Gelinas I'm not sure is an NHL player but we'll see how it goes with him the rest of the year. Santini is at least another year away and Albany doesn't have a ton of options. This might be the first time in a long time where Lou knows we will have no shot at the playoffs by the trade deadline. I think the reason he hasn't made many deadline deals is because he always thought we still had a chance. We'll see what happens if we know we're out. I'd really like to trade Jagr and then have him sign back with us next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 The following should be traded before the deadline: And I realize some of them are viewed as almost useless, get em a late round pick or low level prospect, just clear the shelves!! Jagr Zid Havlat Ryder Zubrus ruutu tootoo Bernier Gionta For the right package I'd trade: Zajak Corey Merril Gelinas Larsson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 we have to be careful though, we'll have to ice a team next season too. And if we need to sign guys... we might have to overpay cause we're really really not gonna be appealing for awhile. Or we'll get cheap over the hill guys with something to prove... and we'll run those assets to the ground too. so there's a fine line i guess. So i guess we should trade off the obvious guys that we will lose who could fetch us a decent return. And as far as guy who wouldnt get us anything like Gionta maybe.. might as well keep him cause like i said we'll still have to ice a team next season lol I think this trade deadline should be step 1 of an official rebuilt. We'll likely get a good guy in the draft this year but that won't be enough we'll have to surround him with talent somehow. Let's hope we can make some ridiculous trade at some point and that we can draft a gem in later rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BostonNala370 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I can see Jagr and Zidlicky being traded and resigning with the Devils next season. Elias has a NMC and one year left he isn't going anywhere. We have a strong base with Merrill, Larsson, Severson and Greene so shy screw that up? We need a RW and a center. We need to dump Ryder, Harrold, Havlet, Ruutu and Gionta or Bernier or both along with Zubrus. Do we sign Gomez next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Gomez should be re-signed really. Well unless he wants too much money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) I mean I get the argument about needing to ice a team but bringing back the same old guys does really nothing in terms of getting things moving forward and it kind of feels like just throwing money away for a bandaid. The problem is there are so many ideal upgrades needed or holes to fill at forward and so many question marks next year and the following season since you'll have Elias and Zubrus off the books then too hopefully. Lou has a tough job in front of him considering the poor FA market and lack of internal options but that's why he's GM. Edited January 13, 2015 by coldply123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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