Neb00rs Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm not doubting at all that Zidlicky is a better player and ultimately will give us a better edge than with Foster. What I'm worried about is that we gave up too much (the 2nd rounder really hurts) and that his $4M will be an issue next year. That makes no sense. Why does the 2nd rounder "really hurt"? If you think Zidlicky gives us the better edge then it's a good trade because we are going for the Cup THIS year. That's the thought process in making the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It's an overpayment but if Zidlicky works out I don't mind paying it. I also don't mind paying it if the team goes to the conference finals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven M. Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Greene has been one of our best D-Men. Fayne has been the weakest link, easily. Still don't understand how some people insist that Fayne is a terrible defender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Bottom line; MZ will help this years Cup aspirations. Those other players and the 2nd round pick will not. A solid playoff performance this year may also go a long way in convincing Zach this is the place to be. Edited February 25, 2012 by njdevsftw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 this appears to be an amicable ending to the foster fiasco! so Im happy. lets see what marek brings to the table as far as puck control and stick work near and behind our net. foster was brutal there, and its obvious we needed to sweeten the pot to the wild to dump him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm OK with it. Sure, the 2nd stings but that's the cost of doing business this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biggie B Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 To me it looks like Lou was willing to overpay a bit to give Marty another run or two at the Cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) This trade tells me two things: 1) There was a market for Zidlicky. 2) Lou clearly thinks his team is a bona-fide Cup contender. Not sure why anyone would bitch too much about losing Pelley, Fraser, Palmieri, Villieux, or Foster. None of those guys were going to make or break the Devils. The 2nd rounder and Zid's $4 million are concerns, but this has the feel of a "gut move" for Lou. Sometimes guys like him get that gut feeling and go with it. Edited February 25, 2012 by Colorado Rockies 1976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brodeur14301991 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 TG taking a shot at the Post article saying we couldn't add money "Devils did increase payroll again today with that trade, by the way. Vernon Wormer will be upset." https://twitter.com/#!/TGfireandice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It's only an overpayment psychologically cause you're giving up four, maybe five pieces for one player, plus we were led to believe Zidlicky would go for less both because he was trying to decrease the value by saying he'd only waive for the Devils and all the initial reports were for less. But only the picks have any real value, at least to me since I was never a NaPalm fan even last year. And the second-rounder is pretty much market for a defenseman since stay-at-home defensemen were also going for 2's, you had to figure the only real puck-moving d-man on the market would also go for a 2. And who cares about a 3rd two years from now if both conditions wind up being met, it'll be a fun Spring. If not, then you only give up a 2 and still have Zidlicky next year. Plus what's being looked on as a negative (the full extra year) can be a positive just as easily, if not more so. Now we don't have to rush one of the kids and Zidlicky's more than a straight rental. TG taking a shot at the Post article saying we couldn't add money "Devils did increase payroll again today with that trade, by the way. Vernon Wormer will be upset." https://twitter.com/#!/TGfireandice Unfortunately the Post can still point to the fact we randomly threw in Palmeri and Vellieux as proof we needed to kick back extra money to the Wild. If anything the three bodies we gave up have negative value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 As TG points out Palmieri and Veilleux's AHL salaries for the rest of the year are $40,000, which is literally nothing. It's much more likely that the Devils wanted to clear their reserve list, and that Minnesota wants bodies to finish out their year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikepeluso8 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Good read on this: http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/15003/zidlicky-a-good-fit-for-devils Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 As TG points out Palmieri and Veilleux's AHL salaries for the rest of the year are $40,000, which is literally nothing. It's much more likely that the Devils wanted to clear their reserve list, and that Minnesota wants bodies to finish out their year. And here's the Post's inevitable rebuttal to how we were able to make this deal with our 'secret budget': (N)Єverson Lamoriello found a way to get Zidlicky and still remain beneath the secret payroll budget he operates under while the Devils receive advances on coming revenue from the league. Only $923,000 of Zidlicky’s $4 million salary for this season remains, and that is nearly offset by the departure of the $418,000 left on Foster’s salary, the $329,000 from Palmieri’s deal and $28,000 on Veilleux’s two-way, an additional deficit of only $148,000.Zidlicky has next season remaining on his contract at $4 million. By then, the Devils might be free of the payroll limit. It is believed the Devils had to include so many players to satisfy that budget now. So apparently (N)Єverson's only counting Palmeri's NHL salary, as if he's on a one-way deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Or as said before, Lou may of pushed Vellieux onto the Wild so we have more room with the amount of contracts a team can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevs89 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Heffffty price. When will this team decide to go younger? Do we really need another 30+ Euro player? Annd another soft defenceman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) Right, that money will quickly be offset by whomever the Devils call up to replace Palmieri. Also huge lols @ Palmieri having $329,000 left on his salary, apparently Neverson can't do math Edited February 25, 2012 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevsftw Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Do we really need another Euro player? What's that supposed to mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Yeah I didn't think he was even making 3/4 of Foster's salary since Foster was at 1.8 and Palmeri's NHL deal was 950k iirc. We have a secret budget but yet keep adding players. I love Lou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) When will this team decide to go younger? Hard to go much younger than a 19 year old defenseman. Do we really need another 30+ Euro player? Hey, the good news with a 30+ European guy is that he might actually be tired of playing in the World Championship - he might want to try the NHL playoffs out. Annd another soft defenceman? I love the word soft, it's probably my favorite hockey designation. Totally meaningless and a lot of really good players are 'soft'. Some idiot journalist called Ponikarovsky soft and thought the Devils made a bad deal. Edited February 25, 2012 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pumpkin cutter Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Loved the guy 5 years ago... Can't vouch for him now, but Im glad foster and palmeri are gone. I am upset with the 2nd, unless Washington somehow turns it around. I hope he works out here. 4 mil for another year.. please god let minnesota get the conditional 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I go with the scouts, we though my little ponI was a bad pick, and they came through, should be a great addition to players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane1091 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 No one thought Ponikarvosky was a bad trade. Joe who + a 4th? Still don't understand how some people insist that Fayne is a terrible defender Well, I didn't say terrible. I just said the weakest link. Salvador, Volchenkov, Greene, and Taormina have been more solid than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beetlebum Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Fayne could be our best defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Heffffty price. When will this team decide to go younger? Do we really need another 30+ Euro player? Annd another soft defenceman? Some poo and a 2nd rd pick isn't hefty. And as for younger... Larsson, Taormina, Henrique, Fayne, Tedenby, Josefson, Urbom, Palmieri, and Zharkov all had some time with the Devils this year. Some are contributing, and some have proven they aren't quite ready yet. Icing a rookie team that isn't ready doesn't help the team or the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quinn01 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Zid arrived late to practice but he did skate with the team today. He was wearing #2. Harrold was sent down to Albany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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