Triumph Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 Would do that in a heartbeat. Essentially a top six forward, a number 3/4 defenseman with one more year before UFA and a second for someone that projects to be a superstar center. This is especially the case in is situation where the Devils already have more defenseman than they know what to do with. No it isn't - it includes the 9th overall pick which might also be a superstar player. But I still think they'd need more and that NJ doesn't have the kind of pieces that gets that deal done - the Panthers have lots of prospect depth. They'd want something better than Henrique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 No it isn't - it includes the 9th overall pick which might also be a superstar player. But I still think they'd need more and that NJ doesn't have the kind of pieces that gets that deal done - the Panthers have lots of prospect depth. They'd want something better than Henrique. Off the top of my head, their top 6 consists of Huberdeau, Fleichmann, Versteeg, Mueller and Weiss if he re-signs. Definitely a place for Henrique there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 1, 2013 Share Posted June 1, 2013 No it isn't - it includes the 9th overall pick which might also be a superstar player. But I still think they'd need more and that NJ doesn't have the kind of pieces that gets that deal done - the Panthers have lots of prospect depth. They'd want something better than Henrique. Key is "might", compared to MacKinnon who is as close as you can get without being Crosby. However you want to view it though, I'd still do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Key is "might", compared to MacKinnon who is as close as you can get without being Crosby. However you want to view it though, I'd still do it. Yeah, but MacKinnon still is only a "potential" star, so he's a risk as well, as all draft picks are. The idea is that while you gain what's likely to be a #1C, you're giving up: #9 Pick(Likely to be a guaranteed top 6 forward, possibly even a 1LW/C/RW/D, depending on pick) + Henrique(Seems to be capable of filling a top 6 role for us in the future) + 2nd rd pick(At one spot lower than where we drafted Merrill and higher than where we took Elias) With a deep draft we could draft another guy who's quite talented at this spot. + maybe even Fayne(Who right now, while having had a not that great season, he was coming off wrist surgery in the offseason and I think he can be a solid mid pairing defenseman for us while remaining at a reasonable salary) That's a lot just for a potential #1C when you may have still been able to get an almost as good player with our #9 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMazz Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 It's hockeybuzz...but at least it's something to look at. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Єklund (2.3% accurate)/Flyers-Oilers-Nucks-and-NJ-looking-to-move-upbut-not-for-who-you-think/1/51895#.UaumNG3p-MQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 It's hockeybuzz...but at least it's something to look at. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Єklund (2.3% accurate)/Flyers-Oilers-Nucks-and-NJ-looking-to-move-upbut-not-for-who-you-think/1/51895#.UaumNG3p-MQ very interesting and nerve racking article. If those rumors actually do have merit, then it's exciting. I've never even considered this Russian factor, I've never cared. A player like Valeri needs to be drafted high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 2, 2013 Share Posted June 2, 2013 Hearing Єklund (2.3% accurate) refer to "his sources" still makes me cringe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 Hearing Єklund (2.3% accurate) refer to "his sources" still makes me cringe Plus the fact that it would not be Lou who would assess drat picks. It's basically Conte's show. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 if he falls to 9, which he won't, the devils have to take him. of course, it will be an interesting play for lou because, for one, lou won't give out any bonus and the russian kids, for the most part still value money pretty highly. secondly, that he has said he wants to play in the khl as opposed to the ahl might rub lou the wrong way. i think lou figures out how to work that out regardless should he be available but again, at 9, i think he is long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 If this guy is drawing comparisons to Lindros and is going to net the team trading the pick 2 top 6s the Devils don't have a trade to make. I still think their best bet would be drop back a few spots take Domi, pick up another 2nd this year and a higher pick (mayber a first) in next years draft because they don't have a 1st of thier own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted June 3, 2013 Share Posted June 3, 2013 All I know is they better have a crappy slot spot next year to forfeit. My $.02 worth since I have absolutely no clue on prospects and rely on all of you for info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 They'd have to give up their 2nd round pick to swap with Edmonton, and I don't think they have any combination of players they could credibly deal for the 7th overall pick outright. I don't see what Edmonton needs with another 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 They'd have to give up their 2nd round pick to swap with Edmonton, and I don't think they have any combination of players they could credibly deal for the 7th overall pick outright. I don't see what Edmonton needs with another 2nd round pick. If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD You move the 7th overall pick for other picks or for NHL players, in almost all cases. What do the Oilers want with Jon Merrill? Why is he worth a lot to them? It doesn't make any sense. If they're going to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I could see them floating a 7th overall pick for an excellent centerman, but I don't know who's biting on that one - not a lot of spare centers out there, there isn't a Jordan Staal type of situation in the NHL right now that I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD You move the 7th overall pick for other picks or for NHL players, in almost all cases. What do the Oilers want with Jon Merrill? Why is he worth a lot to them? It doesn't make any sense. If they're going to move Horcoff and Hemsky, I could see them floating a 7th overall pick for an excellent centerman, but I don't know who's biting on that one - not a lot of spare centers out there, there isn't a Jordan Staal type of situation in the NHL right now that I can think of. Well a pick, like a second might be included. You want Merrill because he's a young close to NHL ready defenseman that projects to be a top line defenseman. Merrill is certainly a better bet now than any of the defensemen in the draft, save Seth Jones Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I don't expect to move up, I have a feeling we will be in the lottery for the top pick the next two seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I don't expect to move up, I have a feeling we will be in the lottery for the top pick the next two seasons. Unfortunately not next year. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Well a pick, like a second might be included. You want Merrill because he's a young close to NHL ready defenseman that projects to be a top line defenseman. Merrill is certainly a better bet now than any of the defensemen in the draft, save Seth Jones Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD That's an awful trade. Again, what has Merrill shown in the NHL? Nothing. There's a reason why prospects are seldom moved for picks. Picks in this range have been moved recently - In 2011, the Flyers traded Jeff Carter for 8th overall and Jakub Voracek In 2012, the Hurricanes traded 7th overall, Brian Dumolin, and Brandon Sutter for Jordan Staal So yeah it'd have to be the 7th overall pick and something else, probably - don't see who's doing that, but I guess these sorts of trades are usually surprising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Well a pick, like a second might be included. You want Merrill because he's a young close to NHL ready defenseman that projects to be a top line defenseman. Merrill is certainly a better bet now than any of the defensemen in the draft, save Seth Jones Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD That's an awful trade. Again, what has Merrill shown in the NHL? Nothing. There's a reason why prospects are seldom moved for picks. Picks in this range have been moved recently - In 2011, the Flyers traded Jeff Carter for 8th overall and Jakub Voracek In 2012, the Hurricanes traded 7th overall, Brian Dumolin, and Brandon Sutter for Jordan Staal So yeah it'd have to be the 7th overall pick and something else, probably - don't see who's doing that, but I guess these sorts of trades are usually surprising. Your two examples include the team trading the pick giving up something else very significant in addition to the pick, so I don't see your point. Like I said, Merrill is a better bet now than Zadorov, Nurse or Ristolian. Some people have those three as 8 to 12 on the board. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nessus Posted June 9, 2013 Author Share Posted June 9, 2013 While I agree about Merrill being better than any of those three right now, I'm not sure how high his trade value is, or how well the other organizations would rate him. Remember, he's had two consecutive shortened seasons, one due to an injury and the other due to some disciplinary reason. I don't think a trade has to be structured in the same way as the Penguins/Hurricanes or Flyers/Kings trades of the last few years. They were looking at: early pick + promising prospect(s) for a good NHL player. We would be doing something more like: 9th + NHLer or promising prospect for 7th, I would think. Or am I wrong to think that this gets you the 9th? I really think that the Devils need to get someone especially good in this draft, and that trading up to 7th guarantees one of Monahan, Lindholm, or Nichushkin. Drafting one of these guys isn't quite as urgent for Edmonton (in my opinion) because they have a lot of guys filling out their top 6 for years to come. It would be helpful for them to have more of a veteran presence on their team so they have a chance of actually making the playoffs soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDok I dint think that's worth it. Move up two spots? No thanks... Unless of course the top 8 take those forwards off the boards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 If you're not including Larsson, perhaps Merrill and something else gets the seventh pick. That's about it though.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDok I dint think that's worth it. Move up two spots? No thanks... Unless of course the top 8 take those forwards off the boards For the seventh pick straight up, was what I suggested. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Your two examples include the team trading the pick giving up something else very significant in addition to the pick, so I don't see your point. Like I said, Merrill is a better bet now than Zadorov, Nurse or Ristolian. Some people have those three as 8 to 12 on the board. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD I don't think that's the case at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 I don't think that's the case at all. Hockeyprospectus, which is the biggest prospect buzz kill of them all projects Merrill as a first pairing defenseman. That's what you hope to get out of a defenseman drafted number 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njd3b1ink Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 They need D, if we give them our first, 2nd and a D prospect I think it would do it. Man it would be so sweet if we could land lindholm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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