2ELIAS6 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 id like to know how they are actually finding out who is selling their tickets on stubhub.. there has to be a way where they can tell maybe who the tickets are being electronically emailed to or something because stubhub says that they do no give out any seller information what so ever..i dont know where the information is coming from then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 Thanks for the links. I know that seasons tickets could always be rescinded for certain causes (mostly unruly behavior, like when Giants fans threw snowballs onto the field, etc.), but clearly the emergence of Stubhub and other outlets is forcing franchises to come down on scalpers and those who go through "legal" scalpers harder. Still curious how many teams overall are taking action similar to what the Devils are doing. In most states, when scalping laws were repealed a few years back, part of the law was also that teams could not revoke season tickets for re-selling. Not sure about the law in NJ. Although, this MIGHT only apply to PSL holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 id like to know how they are actually finding out who is selling their tickets on stubhub.. there has to be a way where they can tell maybe who the tickets are being electronically emailed to or something because stubhub says that they do no give out any seller information what so ever..i dont know where the information is coming from then 1) if you list the seat numbers 2) not sure if you can upload just the barcodes for devils tickets to stubhub, in which case you download the tickets and when scanned, the computer might know they are stubhub tickets. For Rangers and Leafs tickets, you can only upload PDF's for instant download for the buyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 If this is true, the Devils might be in legal trouble if they start to rescind season tickets. If agents of the team/company are telling people to do it, and then they do it, and then the team takes their tickets away, that's a big No-No in the legal realm. Well, this was in August. They could always change their policy. It would be one thing if they threatened to revoke tickets mid-season, which happened to a friend of a friend years ago with the Rangers. BUT, if they implement this policy moving forward and their reps STILL use it as part of their pitch, then I would think you would be correct and it could cause a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 As far as WHY they would do this I can think of 2 reasons. 1) they want less competition for individual game sales. If for arguments sake, they sell 10,000 tickets to full and partial sth (really have no idea on the actual number, just throwing it out there to make a point) that leaves about 9000 to sell individually. Well, if 3000 of the STH have their tickets listed, it drives the equilibrium price down. And, while not everyone would buy one of those 3000 from sth, the team still sees it as money out of their pocket. 2) they must be having a higher turnover and wouldn't be shocked if they are hearing from full and partial STH's that it isn't worth it as they can get tickets cheaper for most games on stubhub. On the otherhand, the rep who called me, WAS offering a MUCH better price than the individual ticket prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 (edited) In most states, when scalping laws were repealed a few years back, part of the law was also that teams could not revoke season tickets for re-selling. Not sure about the law in NJ. Although, this MIGHT only apply to PSL holders. The issue is that this only applies to what they call 'legal scalping'. Both NJ and NY have passed harsh restrictions on how much you can resell tickets for, what you have to do to be eligible to sell tickets, and where you can sell the tickets. In other words, the protection you have mentioned pretty much protects no one. I think this is important for the board to see so I have pasted the law below and I have picked out and enlarged the operative clauses beforehand. From the NJDCA Consumer Fraud Act: Operative sections that I have picked out: 56:8‐27 Requirements for ticket broker. 2. No ticket broker shall engage in or continue in the business of reselling tickets for admission to a place of entertainment without meeting the following requirements: a. Owning, operating or maintaining a permanent office, branch office, bureau, agency, or other place of business, not including a post office box, for the purpose of reselling tickets; b. Obtaining a certificate of registration to resell or engage in the business of reselling tickets from the director; c. Listing the ticket broker's registration number in any form of advertisement or solicitation in which tickets are being sold for the purpose of purchase by the general public for events in this State; d. Maintaining records of ticket sales, deposits and refunds for a period of not less than two years from the time of any of these transactions; 56:8‐32. Display of license; copies Immediately upon the receipt of the license issued pursuant to this act, the licensee shall display and maintain his license in a conspicuous place in his principal office for reselling tickets. He shall request copies of the license from the director for the purpose of displaying a copy of the license in each branch office, bureau or agency and the director may charge a fee for the copies. b. No person other than a registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a maximum premium in excess of 20% of the ticket price or $3.00, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. No registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a premium in excess of 50% of the price paid to acquire the ticket, plus lawful taxes. 56:8‐34 Reselling tickets prohibited in certain area; exceptions. 9. a. No person shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell any ticket, in or on any street, highway, driveway, sidewalk, parking area, or common area owned by a place of entertainment in this State, or any other area adjacent to or in the vicinity of any place of entertainment in this State as determined by the director; except that a person may resell, in an area which may be designated by a place of entertainment in this State, any ticket or tickets originally purchased for his own personal or family use at no greater than the lawful price permitted under this act. 56:8‐37. Violations; penalty Any person who violates any provision of this act shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Full law: 56:8‐26 Definitions. 1. As used in this act: a. "Director" means the director of the Division of Consumer Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety. b. "Division" means the Division of Consumer Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety. c. "Person" means corporations, companies, associations, societies, firms, partnerships and joint stock companies as well as individuals. d. "Place of entertainment" means any privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, such as a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games or contests are held and for which an entry fee is charged. e. "Ticket" means any piece of paper which indicates that the bearer has paid for entry or other evidence which permits entry to a place of entertainment. f. "Ticket broker" means any person situated in and operating in this State who is involved in the business of reselling tickets of admission to places of entertainment and who charges a premium in excess of the price, plus taxes, printed on the tickets. For the purposes of this act, the term "ticket broker" shall not include an individual not regularly engaged in the business of reselling tickets, who resells less than 30 tickets during any one‐year period, and who obtained the tickets for his own use, or the use of his family, friends, or acquaintances. g. "Resale" means a sale by a person other than the owner or operator of a place of entertainment or of the entertainment event or an agent of any such person. J Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 23 h. "Resell" means to offer for resale or to consummate a resale. i. "Digger" means a person temporarily hired for the purpose of securing tickets by intimidating a purchaser waiting in line to procure event tickets. L.1983, c.135, s.1; amended 1983, c.220, s.1; 2001, c.394, s.1; 2008, c.55, s.1. 56:8‐27 Requirements for ticket broker. 2. No ticket broker shall engage in or continue in the business of reselling tickets for admission to a place of entertainment without meeting the following requirements: a. Owning, operating or maintaining a permanent office, branch office, bureau, agency, or other place of business, not including a post office box, for the purpose of reselling tickets; b. Obtaining a certificate of registration to resell or engage in the business of reselling tickets from the director; c. Listing the ticket broker's registration number in any form of advertisement or solicitation in which tickets are being sold for the purpose of purchase by the general public for events in this State; d. Maintaining records of ticket sales, deposits and refunds for a period of not less than two years from the time of any of these transactions; e. Disclosing to the purchaser, by means of verbal description or a map, the location of the seats represented by the tickets; f. Disclosing to the purchaser the cancellation policy of that broker; g. Disclosing that a service charge is added by the ticket broker to the stated price on the tickets and is included by the broker in any advertisement or promotion for an event; h. Disclosing to the purchaser, whenever applicable, that the ticket broker has a guarantee policy. If a ticket broker guarantees delivery of tickets to a purchaser and fails to deliver the tickets, the ticket broker shall provide a full refund for the cost of the tickets; i. Disclosing to the purchaser of tickets when he is utilizing a tentative order policy, popularly known as a "try and get." When a ticket broker fails to obtain tickets on a "try and get" basis, the broker shall refund any deposit made by a purchaser of those tickets within a reasonable time, as shall be determined by the director; j. When guaranteeing tickets in conjunction with providing a tour package, a ticket broker who fails to provide a purchaser with those tickets shall refund fully the price of the tour package and tickets; and k. Providing to a purchaser of tickets who cancels an order a full refund for the cost of the tickets less shipping charges, if those tickets are returned to the broker within three days after receipt; provided, that when tickets are purchased within seven days of an event, a refund shall be given only if the tickets are returned within one day of receipt; and further provided, that no refund shall be given on any tickets purchased within six days of an event unless the ticket broker is able to resell the tickets. L.1983,c.135,s.2; amended 1983, c.220, s.2; 2001, c.394, s.2. 56:8‐28 Application for registration, fee. 3. a. The division shall prepare and furnish to applicants for registration application forms and requirements prescribed by the director pertaining to the applications for and the issuance of certificates of registration to ticket brokers. b. Every applicant for a certificate of registration to engage in the business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker shall file a written application with the division on the form furnished by, and consistent with, the regulations prescribed by the director. c. Each application shall be accompanied by a fee which shall be determined by the director and shall not exceed $500, and a description of the location where the applicant proposes to conduct his business. L.1983,c.135,s.3; amended 2001, c.394, s.3. 56:8‐29 Issuance of certificate of registration. 4. a. Within 120 days after receipt of the completed application, fee and bond, if any, and when the director is satisfied that the applicant has complied with all of the requirements of this act, the director shall grant and issue a certificate of registration to the applicant. b. The certificate of registration granted may be renewed for a period of two years upon the payment of a renewal fee which shall be determined by the director and shall not exceed $500. c. No certificate of registration shall be transferred or assigned without the approval of the director. Any request for a change in the location of the premises operated by any registrant situated in and operating in this State shall be submitted to the director in writing no less than 30 days prior to that relocation. The certificate of registration shall run to January 1 in the second year next ensuing the date thereof unless sooner revoked by the director. L.1983,c.135,s.4; amended 2001, c.394, s.4. 56:8‐30 Bond required to engage in business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker. 5. The director shall require the applicant for a certificate of registration to engage in the business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker to file with the application a bond in the amount of $10,000.00 with two NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 25 or more sufficient sureties or an authorized surety company, which bond shall be approved by the director. Each bond shall be conditioned on the promise that the applicant, his agents or employees will not be guilty of fraud or extortion, will not violate any of the provisions of this act, will comply with the rules and regulations promulgated by the director, and will pay all damages occasioned to any person by reason of misstatement, misrepresentation, fraud or deceit or any unlawful act or omission in connection with the provisions of this act and the business conducted under this act. L.1983,c.135,s.5; amended 2001, c.394, s.5. 56:8‐31. Revocation or suspension of license The director, after notice to the licensee and reasonable opportunity for the licensee to be heard, may revoke his license or may suspend his license for any period which the director deems proper, upon satisfactory proof that the licensee has violated this act, any condition of his license or any rule or regulation of the division promulgated pursuant to this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 6. 56:8‐32. Display of license; copies Immediately upon the receipt of the license issued pursuant to this act, the licensee shall display and maintain his license in a conspicuous place in his principal office for reselling tickets. He shall request copies of the license from the director for the purpose of displaying a copy of the license in each branch office, bureau or agency and the director may charge a fee for the copies. L.1983, c. 135, s. 7. 56:8‐33 Price charged printed on ticket, maximum premium for reseller; exceptions. 8. a. Each place of entertainment shall print on the face of each ticket and include in any advertising for any event the price charged therefor. b. No person other than a registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a maximum premium in excess of 20% of the ticket price or $3.00, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. No registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a premium in excess of 50% of the price paid to acquire the ticket, plus lawful taxes. c. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection a. or b. of this section, nothing shall limit the price for the resale or purchase of a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment sold by any person other than a registered ticket broker, provided such resale or purchase is made through an Internet web site. L.1983, c.135, s.8; amended 1983, c.220, s.3; 2001, c.394, s.6; 2008, c.55, s.2. NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 26 56:8‐34 Reselling tickets prohibited in certain area; exceptions. 9. a. No person shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell any ticket, in or on any street, highway, driveway, sidewalk, parking area, or common area owned by a place of entertainment in this State, or any other area adjacent to or in the vicinity of any place of entertainment in this State as determined by the director; except that a person may resell, in an area which may be designated by a place of entertainment in this State, any ticket or tickets originally purchased for his own personal or family use at no greater than the lawful price permitted under this act. L.1983,c.135,s.9; amended 1983, c.220, s.4; 2001, c.394, s.7. 56:8‐35. Special treatment in obtaining tickets; prohibition Any person who gives or offers anything of value to an employee of a place of entertainment in exchange for, or as an inducement to, special treatment with respect to obtaining tickets, or any employee of a place of entertainment who receives or solicits anything of value in exchange for special treatment with respect to issuing tickets, shall be in violation of this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 10. Amended by L.1983, c. 220, s. 5. 56:8‐35.1 Withholding tickets from sale, prohibited amount. 8. It shall be an unlawful practice for a person, who has access to tickets to an event prior to the tickets' release for sale to the general public, to withhold those tickets from sale to the general public in an amount exceeding 5% of all available seating for the event. L.2001,c.394,s.8. 56:8‐35.2 Refunds prohibited under certain circumstances. 9. A purchaser of tickets who places a special order with a ticket broker for tickets that are not in stock or are obtained for a purchaser's specific need and are paid for in advance by the ticket broker, shall not be eligible to receive a refund for that purchase unless the ticket broker is able to find someone else to purchase the tickets and as long as the purchaser is notified in advance of this policy. L.2001,c.394,s.9. 56:8‐35.3 Method for lawful sell back. 11. The director and places of entertainment shall create a method for season ticket holders and other ticket holders to lawfully sell back tickets to the venue for events they will not be able to attend. L.2001,c.394,s.11. 56:8‐35.4 Use of digger unlawful. 12. It shall be an unlawful practice for a person to use a digger to acquire any ticket. L.2001,c.394,s.12. NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 27 56:8‐36. Rules and regulations The director, pursuant to the provisions of the "Administrative Procedure Act," P.L.1968, c. 410 (C. 52:14B‐ 1 et seq.), shall promulgate rules and regulations necessary to implement this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 11. 56:8‐37. Violations; penalty Any person who violates any provision of this act shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. L.1983, c. 135, s. 12. 56:8‐38. Nonprofit or political organizations; application of act The provisions of this act shall not apply to any person who sells, raffles or otherwise disposes of the ticket for a bona fide nonprofit or political organization when the premium proceeds are devoted to the lawful purposes of the organization. L.1983, c. 135, s. 13. Edited March 15, 2014 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 +1 Cannot wait to see what the reaction of the people with seasons in there is... well i can tell you i was initially pretty pissed about it because i take full advantage of the free food and at stadium prices, eat on average more than $30/game. But my wife who usually goes with me does not. So we were leaving money on the table. So I'll initially save $2640 from what I paid last year. Factor in that I go to about 30 of the 44 games so the 14 tickets that i give to employees/clients/family will pay their own food instead of me paying it ($840 savings) and that because it's not all you can eat, the wife and i will probably eat about $40/game total ($20 savings/30 games - $600). So with this change, I essentially save $1400-$1500 for the same thing next year as i pay this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted March 15, 2014 Share Posted March 15, 2014 It's not a bad idea for the $30 surcharge. There's money left on the table for sure, but I know my father and I head over to Dino or somewhere else pre-game and don't touch the food in there. Also, the quality has been questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blown01NJ Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Yeah apparently they are getting rid of the all you can eat food in the club seats. In exchange the seats are now going to be listed at $150-180 instead of $250-280. The other rumors I hear is that there will be 2 tiers: 1) $150 ticket gets you into the club and that's it. You must pay for everything else 2) $180 ticket gets you into the club and a $30 food and beverage card. If that's true why would anyone get the $180 seat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 The issue is that this only applies to what they call 'legal scalping'. Both NJ and NY have passed harsh restrictions on how much you can resell tickets for, what you have to do to be eligible to sell tickets, and where you can sell the tickets. In other words, the protection you have mentioned pretty much protects no one. I think this is important for the board to see so I have pasted the law below and I have picked out and enlarged the operative clauses beforehand. From the NJDCA Consumer Fraud Act: Operative sections that I have picked out: 56:8‐27 Requirements for ticket broker. 2. No ticket broker shall engage in or continue in the business of reselling tickets for admission to a place of entertainment without meeting the following requirements: a. Owning, operating or maintaining a permanent office, branch office, bureau, agency, or other place of business, not including a post office box, for the purpose of reselling tickets; b. Obtaining a certificate of registration to resell or engage in the business of reselling tickets from the director; c. Listing the ticket broker's registration number in any form of advertisement or solicitation in which tickets are being sold for the purpose of purchase by the general public for events in this State; d. Maintaining records of ticket sales, deposits and refunds for a period of not less than two years from the time of any of these transactions; 56:8‐32. Display of license; copies Immediately upon the receipt of the license issued pursuant to this act, the licensee shall display and maintain his license in a conspicuous place in his principal office for reselling tickets. He shall request copies of the license from the director for the purpose of displaying a copy of the license in each branch office, bureau or agency and the director may charge a fee for the copies. b. No person other than a registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a maximum premium in excess of 20% of the ticket price or $3.00, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. No registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a premium in excess of 50% of the price paid to acquire the ticket, plus lawful taxes. 56:8‐34 Reselling tickets prohibited in certain area; exceptions. 9. a. No person shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell any ticket, in or on any street, highway, driveway, sidewalk, parking area, or common area owned by a place of entertainment in this State, or any other area adjacent to or in the vicinity of any place of entertainment in this State as determined by the director; except that a person may resell, in an area which may be designated by a place of entertainment in this State, any ticket or tickets originally purchased for his own personal or family use at no greater than the lawful price permitted under this act. 56:8‐37. Violations; penalty Any person who violates any provision of this act shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Full law: 56:8‐26 Definitions. 1. As used in this act: a. "Director" means the director of the Division of Consumer Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety. b. "Division" means the Division of Consumer Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety. c. "Person" means corporations, companies, associations, societies, firms, partnerships and joint stock companies as well as individuals. d. "Place of entertainment" means any privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, such as a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games or contests are held and for which an entry fee is charged. e. "Ticket" means any piece of paper which indicates that the bearer has paid for entry or other evidence which permits entry to a place of entertainment. f. "Ticket broker" means any person situated in and operating in this State who is involved in the business of reselling tickets of admission to places of entertainment and who charges a premium in excess of the price, plus taxes, printed on the tickets. For the purposes of this act, the term "ticket broker" shall not include an individual not regularly engaged in the business of reselling tickets, who resells less than 30 tickets during any one‐year period, and who obtained the tickets for his own use, or the use of his family, friends, or acquaintances. g. "Resale" means a sale by a person other than the owner or operator of a place of entertainment or of the entertainment event or an agent of any such person. J Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 23 h. "Resell" means to offer for resale or to consummate a resale. i. "Digger" means a person temporarily hired for the purpose of securing tickets by intimidating a purchaser waiting in line to procure event tickets. L.1983, c.135, s.1; amended 1983, c.220, s.1; 2001, c.394, s.1; 2008, c.55, s.1. 56:8‐27 Requirements for ticket broker. 2. No ticket broker shall engage in or continue in the business of reselling tickets for admission to a place of entertainment without meeting the following requirements: a. Owning, operating or maintaining a permanent office, branch office, bureau, agency, or other place of business, not including a post office box, for the purpose of reselling tickets; b. Obtaining a certificate of registration to resell or engage in the business of reselling tickets from the director; c. Listing the ticket broker's registration number in any form of advertisement or solicitation in which tickets are being sold for the purpose of purchase by the general public for events in this State; d. Maintaining records of ticket sales, deposits and refunds for a period of not less than two years from the time of any of these transactions; e. Disclosing to the purchaser, by means of verbal description or a map, the location of the seats represented by the tickets; f. Disclosing to the purchaser the cancellation policy of that broker; g. Disclosing that a service charge is added by the ticket broker to the stated price on the tickets and is included by the broker in any advertisement or promotion for an event; h. Disclosing to the purchaser, whenever applicable, that the ticket broker has a guarantee policy. If a ticket broker guarantees delivery of tickets to a purchaser and fails to deliver the tickets, the ticket broker shall provide a full refund for the cost of the tickets; i. Disclosing to the purchaser of tickets when he is utilizing a tentative order policy, popularly known as a "try and get." When a ticket broker fails to obtain tickets on a "try and get" basis, the broker shall refund any deposit made by a purchaser of those tickets within a reasonable time, as shall be determined by the director; j. When guaranteeing tickets in conjunction with providing a tour package, a ticket broker who fails to provide a purchaser with those tickets shall refund fully the price of the tour package and tickets; and k. Providing to a purchaser of tickets who cancels an order a full refund for the cost of the tickets less shipping charges, if those tickets are returned to the broker within three days after receipt; provided, that when tickets are purchased within seven days of an event, a refund shall be given only if the tickets are returned within one day of receipt; and further provided, that no refund shall be given on any tickets purchased within six days of an event unless the ticket broker is able to resell the tickets. L.1983,c.135,s.2; amended 1983, c.220, s.2; 2001, c.394, s.2. 56:8‐28 Application for registration, fee. 3. a. The division shall prepare and furnish to applicants for registration application forms and requirements prescribed by the director pertaining to the applications for and the issuance of certificates of registration to ticket brokers. b. Every applicant for a certificate of registration to engage in the business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker shall file a written application with the division on the form furnished by, and consistent with, the regulations prescribed by the director. c. Each application shall be accompanied by a fee which shall be determined by the director and shall not exceed $500, and a description of the location where the applicant proposes to conduct his business. L.1983,c.135,s.3; amended 2001, c.394, s.3. 56:8‐29 Issuance of certificate of registration. 4. a. Within 120 days after receipt of the completed application, fee and bond, if any, and when the director is satisfied that the applicant has complied with all of the requirements of this act, the director shall grant and issue a certificate of registration to the applicant. b. The certificate of registration granted may be renewed for a period of two years upon the payment of a renewal fee which shall be determined by the director and shall not exceed $500. c. No certificate of registration shall be transferred or assigned without the approval of the director. Any request for a change in the location of the premises operated by any registrant situated in and operating in this State shall be submitted to the director in writing no less than 30 days prior to that relocation. The certificate of registration shall run to January 1 in the second year next ensuing the date thereof unless sooner revoked by the director. L.1983,c.135,s.4; amended 2001, c.394, s.4. 56:8‐30 Bond required to engage in business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker. 5. The director shall require the applicant for a certificate of registration to engage in the business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker to file with the application a bond in the amount of $10,000.00 with two NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 25 or more sufficient sureties or an authorized surety company, which bond shall be approved by the director. Each bond shall be conditioned on the promise that the applicant, his agents or employees will not be guilty of fraud or extortion, will not violate any of the provisions of this act, will comply with the rules and regulations promulgated by the director, and will pay all damages occasioned to any person by reason of misstatement, misrepresentation, fraud or deceit or any unlawful act or omission in connection with the provisions of this act and the business conducted under this act. L.1983,c.135,s.5; amended 2001, c.394, s.5. 56:8‐31. Revocation or suspension of license The director, after notice to the licensee and reasonable opportunity for the licensee to be heard, may revoke his license or may suspend his license for any period which the director deems proper, upon satisfactory proof that the licensee has violated this act, any condition of his license or any rule or regulation of the division promulgated pursuant to this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 6. 56:8‐32. Display of license; copies Immediately upon the receipt of the license issued pursuant to this act, the licensee shall display and maintain his license in a conspicuous place in his principal office for reselling tickets. He shall request copies of the license from the director for the purpose of displaying a copy of the license in each branch office, bureau or agency and the director may charge a fee for the copies. L.1983, c. 135, s. 7. 56:8‐33 Price charged printed on ticket, maximum premium for reseller; exceptions. 8. a. Each place of entertainment shall print on the face of each ticket and include in any advertising for any event the price charged therefor. b. No person other than a registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a maximum premium in excess of 20% of the ticket price or $3.00, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. No registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a premium in excess of 50% of the price paid to acquire the ticket, plus lawful taxes. c. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection a. or b. of this section, nothing shall limit the price for the resale or purchase of a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment sold by any person other than a registered ticket broker, provided such resale or purchase is made through an Internet web site. L.1983, c.135, s.8; amended 1983, c.220, s.3; 2001, c.394, s.6; 2008, c.55, s.2. NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 26 56:8‐34 Reselling tickets prohibited in certain area; exceptions. 9. a. No person shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell any ticket, in or on any street, highway, driveway, sidewalk, parking area, or common area owned by a place of entertainment in this State, or any other area adjacent to or in the vicinity of any place of entertainment in this State as determined by the director; except that a person may resell, in an area which may be designated by a place of entertainment in this State, any ticket or tickets originally purchased for his own personal or family use at no greater than the lawful price permitted under this act. L.1983,c.135,s.9; amended 1983, c.220, s.4; 2001, c.394, s.7. 56:8‐35. Special treatment in obtaining tickets; prohibition Any person who gives or offers anything of value to an employee of a place of entertainment in exchange for, or as an inducement to, special treatment with respect to obtaining tickets, or any employee of a place of entertainment who receives or solicits anything of value in exchange for special treatment with respect to issuing tickets, shall be in violation of this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 10. Amended by L.1983, c. 220, s. 5. 56:8‐35.1 Withholding tickets from sale, prohibited amount. 8. It shall be an unlawful practice for a person, who has access to tickets to an event prior to the tickets' release for sale to the general public, to withhold those tickets from sale to the general public in an amount exceeding 5% of all available seating for the event. L.2001,c.394,s.8. 56:8‐35.2 Refunds prohibited under certain circumstances. 9. A purchaser of tickets who places a special order with a ticket broker for tickets that are not in stock or are obtained for a purchaser's specific need and are paid for in advance by the ticket broker, shall not be eligible to receive a refund for that purchase unless the ticket broker is able to find someone else to purchase the tickets and as long as the purchaser is notified in advance of this policy. L.2001,c.394,s.9. 56:8‐35.3 Method for lawful sell back. 11. The director and places of entertainment shall create a method for season ticket holders and other ticket holders to lawfully sell back tickets to the venue for events they will not be able to attend. L.2001,c.394,s.11. 56:8‐35.4 Use of digger unlawful. 12. It shall be an unlawful practice for a person to use a digger to acquire any ticket. L.2001,c.394,s.12. NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 27 56:8‐36. Rules and regulations The director, pursuant to the provisions of the "Administrative Procedure Act," P.L.1968, c. 410 (C. 52:14B‐ 1 et seq.), shall promulgate rules and regulations necessary to implement this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 11. 56:8‐37. Violations; penalty Any person who violates any provision of this act shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. L.1983, c. 135, s. 12. 56:8‐38. Nonprofit or political organizations; application of act The provisions of this act shall not apply to any person who sells, raffles or otherwise disposes of the ticket for a bona fide nonprofit or political organization when the premium proceeds are devoted to the lawful purposes of the organization. L.1983, c. 135, s. 13. Interesting. Thought the whole purpose of repealing the laws was to allow prices to be set by supply and demand. At least that is what idiots like Bloomberg were saying when the scalping laws were repealed, or allegedly repealed. The Giants, btw used the same tactic. They called me before the new stadium opened and tried to sell me club seats. PSLs of 7500 each and game tickets for 400 each. Told him those were overpriced. Rep also said I could sell them for as much as I wanted to get the money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Yeah apparently they are getting rid of the all you can eat food in the club seats. In exchange the seats are now going to be listed at $150-180 instead of $250-280. The other rumors I hear is that there will be 2 tiers: 1) $150 ticket gets you into the club and that's it. You must pay for everything else 2) $180 ticket gets you into the club and a $30 food and beverage card. I'd be more inclined to buy the $150s. Why pre-pay when I don't know if I would use it all. They would be better off doing something like $30 for a $50 food credit. Yes, they are giving away $20, but there will be enough people who do not spend even the $30 that they will come out ahead. Plus, the profit margin on food at games is ridiculous, so they are not actually losing any money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 One year, the Flyers were forcing people to buy food vouchers on individual tickets. I went onto their site to buy Rangers-Flyers. Each price point also had the option to buy a $10 food credit. When I tried to just buy the tickets, nothing was available. When I tried the same price point WITH the food credit, seats were available. It was only $10, and still cheaper than buying on stubhub, but it was still dirty, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 16, 2014 Share Posted March 16, 2014 Interesting. Thought the whole purpose of repealing the laws was to allow prices to be set by supply and demand. At least that is what idiots like Bloomberg were saying when the scalping laws were repealed, or allegedly repealed. The Giants, btw used the same tactic. They called me before the new stadium opened and tried to sell me club seats. PSLs of 7500 each and game tickets for 400 each. Told him those were overpriced. Rep also said I could sell them for as much as I wanted to get the money back. Clearly there is a huge amount of pressure on these call center employees (don't even ask me to call them 'reps), so I sympathize with their plight. That said, while the callers may or may not be actual employees of the team - as the call center is contracted by the team to sell the tickets, the team can be held accountable for the actions of the employees. The team and cell center would argue that "it's not our policy to do that yada yada yada..." and the only thing that would come out of legal action would probably be a cessation of the tactic. The point I'm making though, is that anyone with confiscated STs should be calling the organization and arguing that the team promoted a culture of resale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Clearly there is a huge amount of pressure on these call center employees (don't even ask me to call them 'reps), so I sympathize with their plight. That said, while the callers may or may not be actual employees of the team - as the call center is contracted by the team to sell the tickets, the team can be held accountable for the actions of the employees. The team and cell center would argue that "it's not our policy to do that yada yada yada..." and the only thing that would come out of legal action would probably be a cessation of the tactic. The point I'm making though, is that anyone with confiscated STs should be calling the organization and arguing that the team promoted a culture of resale. There is no outsourcing, or "call center" These are in fact DEVILS employees calling FROM Prudential Center....which makes this practice that much worse IMO..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 When I asked about the rest, HE SUGGESTED SELLING THEM ON THE SECONDARY MARKET! Pointed out the scalping laws have been repealed and even said, "what A LOT of our full-season ticket holders do is sell a few of the premium games for a nice profit to off-set their costs." That turned into a debate about the value of devils tickets on the secondary market. Let's just say I pointed out that I would want to USE the premium games as I had said (rangers, pen, flyers), and a few other things about Devils tickets that didnt make him too happy. Just to add to what you said, there are some other games that are considered "Premium", like Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Boston (I think). I guess they're just the in-demand teams the average hockey fan around here is inclined to go check out. But yeah, not sure they're worth that much on the secondary market that they'd offset much of our season ticket costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 The issue is that this only applies to what they call 'legal scalping'. Both NJ and NY have passed harsh restrictions on how much you can resell tickets for, what you have to do to be eligible to sell tickets, and where you can sell the tickets. In other words, the protection you have mentioned pretty much protects no one. I think this is important for the board to see so I have pasted the law below and I have picked out and enlarged the operative clauses beforehand. From the NJDCA Consumer Fraud Act: Operative sections that I have picked out: 56:8‐27 Requirements for ticket broker. 2. No ticket broker shall engage in or continue in the business of reselling tickets for admission to a place of entertainment without meeting the following requirements: a. Owning, operating or maintaining a permanent office, branch office, bureau, agency, or other place of business, not including a post office box, for the purpose of reselling tickets; b. Obtaining a certificate of registration to resell or engage in the business of reselling tickets from the director; c. Listing the ticket broker's registration number in any form of advertisement or solicitation in which tickets are being sold for the purpose of purchase by the general public for events in this State; d. Maintaining records of ticket sales, deposits and refunds for a period of not less than two years from the time of any of these transactions; 56:8‐32. Display of license; copies Immediately upon the receipt of the license issued pursuant to this act, the licensee shall display and maintain his license in a conspicuous place in his principal office for reselling tickets. He shall request copies of the license from the director for the purpose of displaying a copy of the license in each branch office, bureau or agency and the director may charge a fee for the copies. b. No person other than a registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a maximum premium in excess of 20% of the ticket price or $3.00, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. No registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a premium in excess of 50% of the price paid to acquire the ticket, plus lawful taxes. 56:8‐34 Reselling tickets prohibited in certain area; exceptions. 9. a. No person shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell any ticket, in or on any street, highway, driveway, sidewalk, parking area, or common area owned by a place of entertainment in this State, or any other area adjacent to or in the vicinity of any place of entertainment in this State as determined by the director; except that a person may resell, in an area which may be designated by a place of entertainment in this State, any ticket or tickets originally purchased for his own personal or family use at no greater than the lawful price permitted under this act. 56:8‐37. Violations; penalty Any person who violates any provision of this act shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. Full law: 56:8‐26 Definitions. 1. As used in this act: a. "Director" means the director of the Division of Consumer Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety. b. "Division" means the Division of Consumer Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety. c. "Person" means corporations, companies, associations, societies, firms, partnerships and joint stock companies as well as individuals. d. "Place of entertainment" means any privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, such as a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games or contests are held and for which an entry fee is charged. e. "Ticket" means any piece of paper which indicates that the bearer has paid for entry or other evidence which permits entry to a place of entertainment. f. "Ticket broker" means any person situated in and operating in this State who is involved in the business of reselling tickets of admission to places of entertainment and who charges a premium in excess of the price, plus taxes, printed on the tickets. For the purposes of this act, the term "ticket broker" shall not include an individual not regularly engaged in the business of reselling tickets, who resells less than 30 tickets during any one‐year period, and who obtained the tickets for his own use, or the use of his family, friends, or acquaintances. g. "Resale" means a sale by a person other than the owner or operator of a place of entertainment or of the entertainment event or an agent of any such person. J Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 23 h. "Resell" means to offer for resale or to consummate a resale. i. "Digger" means a person temporarily hired for the purpose of securing tickets by intimidating a purchaser waiting in line to procure event tickets. L.1983, c.135, s.1; amended 1983, c.220, s.1; 2001, c.394, s.1; 2008, c.55, s.1. 56:8‐27 Requirements for ticket broker. 2. No ticket broker shall engage in or continue in the business of reselling tickets for admission to a place of entertainment without meeting the following requirements: a. Owning, operating or maintaining a permanent office, branch office, bureau, agency, or other place of business, not including a post office box, for the purpose of reselling tickets; b. Obtaining a certificate of registration to resell or engage in the business of reselling tickets from the director; c. Listing the ticket broker's registration number in any form of advertisement or solicitation in which tickets are being sold for the purpose of purchase by the general public for events in this State; d. Maintaining records of ticket sales, deposits and refunds for a period of not less than two years from the time of any of these transactions; e. Disclosing to the purchaser, by means of verbal description or a map, the location of the seats represented by the tickets; f. Disclosing to the purchaser the cancellation policy of that broker; g. Disclosing that a service charge is added by the ticket broker to the stated price on the tickets and is included by the broker in any advertisement or promotion for an event; h. Disclosing to the purchaser, whenever applicable, that the ticket broker has a guarantee policy. If a ticket broker guarantees delivery of tickets to a purchaser and fails to deliver the tickets, the ticket broker shall provide a full refund for the cost of the tickets; i. Disclosing to the purchaser of tickets when he is utilizing a tentative order policy, popularly known as a "try and get." When a ticket broker fails to obtain tickets on a "try and get" basis, the broker shall refund any deposit made by a purchaser of those tickets within a reasonable time, as shall be determined by the director; j. When guaranteeing tickets in conjunction with providing a tour package, a ticket broker who fails to provide a purchaser with those tickets shall refund fully the price of the tour package and tickets; and k. Providing to a purchaser of tickets who cancels an order a full refund for the cost of the tickets less shipping charges, if those tickets are returned to the broker within three days after receipt; provided, that when tickets are purchased within seven days of an event, a refund shall be given only if the tickets are returned within one day of receipt; and further provided, that no refund shall be given on any tickets purchased within six days of an event unless the ticket broker is able to resell the tickets. L.1983,c.135,s.2; amended 1983, c.220, s.2; 2001, c.394, s.2. 56:8‐28 Application for registration, fee. 3. a. The division shall prepare and furnish to applicants for registration application forms and requirements prescribed by the director pertaining to the applications for and the issuance of certificates of registration to ticket brokers. b. Every applicant for a certificate of registration to engage in the business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker shall file a written application with the division on the form furnished by, and consistent with, the regulations prescribed by the director. c. Each application shall be accompanied by a fee which shall be determined by the director and shall not exceed $500, and a description of the location where the applicant proposes to conduct his business. L.1983,c.135,s.3; amended 2001, c.394, s.3. 56:8‐29 Issuance of certificate of registration. 4. a. Within 120 days after receipt of the completed application, fee and bond, if any, and when the director is satisfied that the applicant has complied with all of the requirements of this act, the director shall grant and issue a certificate of registration to the applicant. b. The certificate of registration granted may be renewed for a period of two years upon the payment of a renewal fee which shall be determined by the director and shall not exceed $500. c. No certificate of registration shall be transferred or assigned without the approval of the director. Any request for a change in the location of the premises operated by any registrant situated in and operating in this State shall be submitted to the director in writing no less than 30 days prior to that relocation. The certificate of registration shall run to January 1 in the second year next ensuing the date thereof unless sooner revoked by the director. L.1983,c.135,s.4; amended 2001, c.394, s.4. 56:8‐30 Bond required to engage in business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker. 5. The director shall require the applicant for a certificate of registration to engage in the business of reselling tickets as a ticket broker to file with the application a bond in the amount of $10,000.00 with two NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 25 or more sufficient sureties or an authorized surety company, which bond shall be approved by the director. Each bond shall be conditioned on the promise that the applicant, his agents or employees will not be guilty of fraud or extortion, will not violate any of the provisions of this act, will comply with the rules and regulations promulgated by the director, and will pay all damages occasioned to any person by reason of misstatement, misrepresentation, fraud or deceit or any unlawful act or omission in connection with the provisions of this act and the business conducted under this act. L.1983,c.135,s.5; amended 2001, c.394, s.5. 56:8‐31. Revocation or suspension of license The director, after notice to the licensee and reasonable opportunity for the licensee to be heard, may revoke his license or may suspend his license for any period which the director deems proper, upon satisfactory proof that the licensee has violated this act, any condition of his license or any rule or regulation of the division promulgated pursuant to this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 6. 56:8‐32. Display of license; copies Immediately upon the receipt of the license issued pursuant to this act, the licensee shall display and maintain his license in a conspicuous place in his principal office for reselling tickets. He shall request copies of the license from the director for the purpose of displaying a copy of the license in each branch office, bureau or agency and the director may charge a fee for the copies. L.1983, c. 135, s. 7. 56:8‐33 Price charged printed on ticket, maximum premium for reseller; exceptions. 8. a. Each place of entertainment shall print on the face of each ticket and include in any advertising for any event the price charged therefor. b. No person other than a registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a maximum premium in excess of 20% of the ticket price or $3.00, whichever is greater, plus lawful taxes. No registered ticket broker shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment at a premium in excess of 50% of the price paid to acquire the ticket, plus lawful taxes. c. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection a. or b. of this section, nothing shall limit the price for the resale or purchase of a ticket for admission to a place of entertainment sold by any person other than a registered ticket broker, provided such resale or purchase is made through an Internet web site. L.1983, c.135, s.8; amended 1983, c.220, s.3; 2001, c.394, s.6; 2008, c.55, s.2. NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 26 56:8‐34 Reselling tickets prohibited in certain area; exceptions. 9. a. No person shall resell or purchase with the intent to resell any ticket, in or on any street, highway, driveway, sidewalk, parking area, or common area owned by a place of entertainment in this State, or any other area adjacent to or in the vicinity of any place of entertainment in this State as determined by the director; except that a person may resell, in an area which may be designated by a place of entertainment in this State, any ticket or tickets originally purchased for his own personal or family use at no greater than the lawful price permitted under this act. L.1983,c.135,s.9; amended 1983, c.220, s.4; 2001, c.394, s.7. 56:8‐35. Special treatment in obtaining tickets; prohibition Any person who gives or offers anything of value to an employee of a place of entertainment in exchange for, or as an inducement to, special treatment with respect to obtaining tickets, or any employee of a place of entertainment who receives or solicits anything of value in exchange for special treatment with respect to issuing tickets, shall be in violation of this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 10. Amended by L.1983, c. 220, s. 5. 56:8‐35.1 Withholding tickets from sale, prohibited amount. 8. It shall be an unlawful practice for a person, who has access to tickets to an event prior to the tickets' release for sale to the general public, to withhold those tickets from sale to the general public in an amount exceeding 5% of all available seating for the event. L.2001,c.394,s.8. 56:8‐35.2 Refunds prohibited under certain circumstances. 9. A purchaser of tickets who places a special order with a ticket broker for tickets that are not in stock or are obtained for a purchaser's specific need and are paid for in advance by the ticket broker, shall not be eligible to receive a refund for that purchase unless the ticket broker is able to find someone else to purchase the tickets and as long as the purchaser is notified in advance of this policy. L.2001,c.394,s.9. 56:8‐35.3 Method for lawful sell back. 11. The director and places of entertainment shall create a method for season ticket holders and other ticket holders to lawfully sell back tickets to the venue for events they will not be able to attend. L.2001,c.394,s.11. 56:8‐35.4 Use of digger unlawful. 12. It shall be an unlawful practice for a person to use a digger to acquire any ticket. L.2001,c.394,s.12. NJ Division of Consumer Affairs Consumer Fraud Act Post: 9/2011 Page 27 56:8‐36. Rules and regulations The director, pursuant to the provisions of the "Administrative Procedure Act," P.L.1968, c. 410 (C. 52:14B‐ 1 et seq.), shall promulgate rules and regulations necessary to implement this act. L.1983, c. 135, s. 11. 56:8‐37. Violations; penalty Any person who violates any provision of this act shall be guilty of a crime of the fourth degree. L.1983, c. 135, s. 12. 56:8‐38. Nonprofit or political organizations; application of act The provisions of this act shall not apply to any person who sells, raffles or otherwise disposes of the ticket for a bona fide nonprofit or political organization when the premium proceeds are devoted to the lawful purposes of the organization. L.1983, c. 135, s. 13. This is almost as long as the average Pepperkorn post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 This is almost as long as the average Pepperkorn post. yes but it's much easier to understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteau#32 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 I just received my invoices for the play-offs and next season. This was on the 3rd page, and I am sure the Devils have something similar. Madison Square Garden Ticket Subscription Terms and Conditions Renewal privilege is extended at the option of MSG and is subject to revocation at any time. Accordingly MSG, in its sole discretion, reserves the right for any reason whatsoever (i.e., with or without cause) not to renew any Ticket Subscription (“Subscription”) or to change the seat location previously assigned to any Subscription. Upon receipt of Tickets, risk of loss or theft of Tickets shall pass to Subscriber. MSG shall not be obligated to admit Subscriber to events unless applicable Tickets are presented at such time. Tickets and Subscriptions are personal licenses revocable at the sole discretion of MSG, with or without cause, including without limitation, for improper conduct by any Subscriber (including guests of other holders of any Tickets), non-usage or otherwise, as determined by MSG in its sole discretion. Upon such revocation, MSG shall refund that portion of the Subscription price as related to unused Tickets returned to MSG’s Box Office for unplayed games, provided all such Tickets for unplayed games as of the effective date of the revocation are retuned at least two business days prior to the first such unplayed game (or such later unplayed game as may be designated by MSG in its sole discretion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted March 17, 2014 Share Posted March 17, 2014 Agree, I prefer the frisking. I feel safer. Easy fix...train the Devils Dancers to do the frisking. No more complaints! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 The thing that blows my mind is the need to identify "brokers" to begin with. Outside of Ranger games, does anyone actually make a profit selling Devils tickets? You can regularly find tickets in the 100s for less than $20. Why would people buy season tickets only to make 50% of their cost back on the secondary market? Seems to me that they are just trying to take the secondary market out of the equation all together to justify the box office prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 The thing that blows my mind is the need to identify "brokers" to begin with. Outside of Ranger games, does anyone actually make a profit selling Devils tickets? You can regularly find tickets in the 100s for less than $20. Why would people buy season tickets only to make 50% of their cost back on the secondary market? Seems to me that they are just trying to take the secondary market out of the equation all together to justify the box office prices. I think it's safe to say that not many people are making a living off of selling Devils tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Derek Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 Maybe the Devils should ban season ticket holders that give away their tickets to friends if they can't go to the game... after all, the box office can't compete with free tickets. Absolutely insane that they'd revoke season tickets from someone, even if they sell every single game. And you know the Devils (and a lot of other teams) are using the secondary market to sell tickets, as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted March 18, 2014 Author Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just gonna ramble a bit here about this. I was told the Devils use an outside service that does the searches on seats that are sold. They got a list from this company and that's how they went about this. this service isn't completely accurate though but they had the ticket representatives check the list and make sure nobody was on the list that wasn't suppose to be. How I ended up there must be from the lockout season. I expressed my frustrations of how unclear they are with this. Firstly they never sent anything out before the lockout season that you couldn't sell as many tickets as you wanted. They said they are doing this to increase value in our seasons. Translation is they want stubhub out of the picture because we can sell our tickets for whatever we want on stubhub instead of ticket exchange where you can't sell em before face value. I got everything fixed but this whole thing is such a joke and I have a feeling its only going to get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils744 Posted March 18, 2014 Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) quick question, maybe someone knows the answer. if there are other season ticket holders in your row, and on stubhub you don't list the seat numbers, how can they track who is the seller? Edited March 18, 2014 by devils744 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRedStorm Posted March 19, 2014 Share Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) The thing that blows my mind is the need to identify "brokers" to begin with. Outside of Ranger games, does anyone actually make a profit selling Devils tickets? You can regularly find tickets in the 100s for less than $20. Why would people buy season tickets only to make 50% of their cost back on the secondary market? Seems to me that they are just trying to take the secondary market out of the equation all together to justify the box office prices. The successful brokers/scalpers are buying good seats, not balcony or upper level. Reason? Perhaps that an opposing team's fan(s) will splurge because they can't on tickets for those teams at their rinks. Year in and year out at the games or on TV, you can see what seats these brokers/scalpers own behind the bench or in certain levels/sections because there is a NYR or Flyer fan or whomever fan in them. These brokers must be making a profit that keeps them coming back year after year. Think about how many home games the Devils have vs the Rangers, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Boston and now Detroit. These are teams with large followings. The brokers and scalpers make their $ on these types of teams. The rest? If they sell them for break even at worst it's still a successful season. Edited March 19, 2014 by TheRedStorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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