DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) If anyone has Marty's career record & stats at MSG would they please post them. The fragile state that arguably the best Goaltender in the history of the game falls into once he hits Manhattan, is almost too awful to be true. Am I watching the all time greatest tonight - or is this Hannu Kampurri in the nets? Edited February 7, 2010 by DinoCosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 I don't see how the first two can be blamed on Marty. Third one, maybe he could have gotten it, but the D has been bad again tonight, really. Need a goal and some momentum here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) I don't see how the first two can be blamed on Marty. Third one, maybe he could have gotten it, but the D has been bad again tonight, really. Need a goal and some momentum here. All due respect, Prod, I ain't buying it...I have seen (and so have you) Marty fall apart, time and again, seemingly completely unnerved, by playing at MSG...the crowd seems to get to him, or its Sean Avery, or it's any number of different factors. Lundquist almost routinely outplays him when these two teams match up at the Garden...I'm getting more than a little tired of it. Be interesting to see if someone can unearth his stats at MSG for a more telling look. Edited February 7, 2010 by DinoCosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilNurn Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Let's keep in in perspective, he's bad tonight but he did have a 51-save shutout in his last outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 not to fuel the fire, but that 51 save shutout wasn't exactly 51 of the best chances he ever saw in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 Let's keep in in perspective, he's bad tonight but he did have a 51-save shutout in his last outing. What have you done for me tonight though? The Rangers and Lundquist are sticking it right up his ass tonight...and what pissed me off was the 2nd goal, mere seconds after the first one (oh gee another puck at his feet that goes in?) when he seemed to lose concentration, get rattled by the crowd, and let a stoppable (albeit a slightly deflected) puck go in. I'm tiring of his less than impressive performances against the Rangers - this team has been in his head since he started his career...they will always haunt him - Richter used to totally outplay him, and now Lundquist continues the trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 All due respect, Prod, I ain't buying it...I have seen (and so have you) Marty fall apart, time and again, seemingly completely unnerved, by playing at MSG...the crowd seems to get to him, or its Sean Avery, or it's any number of different factors. Lundquist almost routinely outplays him when these two teams match up at the Garden...I'm getting more than a little tired of it. Be interesting to see if someone can unearth his stats at MSG for a more telling look. So you think Marty should have stopped the first one, a tic-tac-toe play that ended with Gaborik tipping it in, left all alone at the side of the net? Or you think he should have stopped one that deflected off of a Devil and went to the top corner? I don't think Marty is getting outplayed by Lundqvist, I think the Devils are getting outplayed by the Rangers. It's the same crap that we've been doing the past few weeks - losing puck battles, making bad passes, and not getting to the net. Don't be so quick to pin this on Marty just because idiot Ranger fans have to chant his name every time they score. If anything, the Ranger fans are getting to you with their chants, not Marty, because you're buying that it's all Marty's fault. The D is letting passes get through left and right, the first and third goals came on passes that went right through defenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 Prod, the first goal no way he stops...the next two - I'm sorry - you're the greatest goaltender of all time - you stop those shots against your biggest rival in their building. Look it, I'm not arguing his career - I'm contending that he comes up small way too often against the Rangers - particularly at MSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) He used to be money (how quickly we forget the 23-game unbeaten streak), it's only since the Pad Monster's joined the Rangers that he's suddenly become shaky. Now it's become basically like Pedro against the Yankees when he was a Red Sox, he's not bad but he does just enough to lose. Although he was actually 2-0 this year before tonight Edited February 7, 2010 by Hasan4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 I don't see how you can expect a goalie to stop a hard shot that changes direction that much from that range. He would have had to have superhuman reflexes. And the third one, maybe he could have gotten it. But again, that's a 3-on-2 where the D let them pass right through to the man in the slot. I just don't feel you can hold a goal like that against the goalie - because the D shouldn't be allowing chances like that. That pass could have and should have been blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 I don't see how you can expect a goalie to stop a hard shot that changes direction that much from that range. He would have had to have superhuman reflexes. And the third one, maybe he could have gotten it. But again, that's a 3-on-2 where the D let them pass right through to the man in the slot. I just don't feel you can hold a goal like that against the goalie - because the D shouldn't be allowing chances like that. That pass could have and should have been blocked. Look Prod, I love the guy, but I think your allowing your fandom to get in the way of calling him out for subpar, repeatedly mediocre, performances, against this club...just my opinion of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 The third one tonight he should have had but the game was already over by then because Lemaire burned his timeout and the team's psyched out by Lundqvist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 btw Marty's career record at the Garden's 14-13-12 (with two OTL's) with a 2.27 GAA and .920 save percentage. That's not that great overall recordwise but the splits aren't bad other than the one career SHO. Considering he basically lost every game in '93-94 and '07-08 even the record isn't that bad every other year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Coming into play tonight in his career at MSG. Marty is 14 wins and 13 losses (make it 14 after tonight) with 12 ties...he has allowed in those games, 94 goals (now 97), he's got a 2.27 GAA - and a save percentage of .920...and he's shut out the Rangers once (1). Oh, and I haven't even dared to throw his post-season numbers in there at MSG...or overall against the Rangers in the post season...or in overtime for that matter. Suummation: Mediocre, average, wishy-washy...if not in fact sometimes dreadful against the diagonal gang. Edited February 7, 2010 by DinoCosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 Forgive me...maybe I'm just pissed off tonight at what I'm watching. But I will say this, Marty never looks as unsure of himself as he does whenever he plays this effin team at MSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Postseason...2-2 in '94, 0-2 in '97, 2-0 in '06 and 1-1 in '08. That's 5-5, pretty much in line with the around .500 record. And our problems go way beyond Marty against the Rangers, he's down the list although it would be nice if he sat more than one game in two and a half months. He's been uneven in general lately, or maybe you missed the **** goals he's been giving up for the better part of the last three weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Postseason...2-2 in '94, 0-2 in '97, 2-0 in '06 and 1-1 in '08. That's 5-5, pretty much in line with the around .500 record. And our problems go way beyond Marty against the Rangers, he's down the list although it would be nice if he sat more than one game in two and a half months. He's been uneven in general lately, or maybe you missed the **** goals he's been giving up for the better part of the last three weeks? Yeah...I'm with you on all of that, Hassan. Don't get me started on the games played issue - which is beyond absurd... You know what though, this one game here tonight is bigger than just the 60 minutes they'll soon complete. Do you know that we could end a season with 130 points, finish 1st in the Conference, and if the Devils were to meet the Rangers in a 1-8 first round matchup, I'd be pertified...all because I know Marty will be hit or miss against this team. Edited February 7, 2010 by DinoCosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prucenterrules Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Marty needs a bit of a rest. Maybe give Danis 2 starts in a row. Send a message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95Crash Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Do you know that we could end a season with 130 points, finish 1st in the Conference, and if the Devils were to meet the Rangers in a 1-8 first round matchup, I'd be pertified...all because I know Marty will be hit or miss against this team. Maybe you are being irrational because it's the Rangers, and you hate them so much -- I don't know. But I feel the same way. That being said, it would be nice if our offense didn't make the Queen look like he's all-world every time we play against him. And it would be nice if we had some tougher D-men capable of knocking their fowards around a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilNurn Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 I agree Dino, he really did have an awful game. And before a few months ago, I'm pretty sure he had a stretch where he didn't win at MSG in like two years, so there's definitely some validity there. Lundqvist really turns it on, and I can recall Richter doing the same thing. I wish I could see the stats too, I've been unable to find them so far. I blame Brodeur for 1/3 of the loss tonight (not necessarily 1/3 of goals), and the other 2/3 on the defense (or lack thereof). Thought the offense clicked, but Lundqvist was a brick wall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lateralous Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) I have a slightly different take than Marty just needs rest. I think we need a Marty that has something to prove. Every year he plays every damn game in what seems like an attempt to set a new regular season record for wins and capture a vezina. It's like he expends so much mental and physical energy achieving those goals that there is nothing left to step up his game once the playoffs start. I think if he wins tha gold for Canada this year we'll probably see more of the same but if something happens where either they don't win the gold with him in net or he gets replaced by Luongo, we might see the goalie who was out to make a point in Game 5 against Carolina last year through the whole playoffs. If he was just rest he needed, he wouldn't have crumbled when we needed him most in Game 7 last year (I know he had a really good series overall). Edited February 7, 2010 by PhillyDevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeter Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 This is a good arguement here, but here's my take on this: a lot of the goals that Marty lets in against this team LOOK bad, but there's usually more to most of them. There's always a deflection or someone screening him or one of our defensman totally screwing up. As for Henrik, he gets lit up like a christmas tree against every other team in this league, but his pads are like Mount Everest when we play him and he always kicks it into another gear as well. My problem is that we don't light him up because we don't make life miserable for him. All of our glorious chances he had a clear view of them. Every great save he pretty much had nobody in his face, nobody screening him, nothing, just a clear view of the puck. Oh, and if Joe Michelletti really did say his save on Mottau was the best save by any goaltender in any game this season, that guy should be fired for saying something dumber than anything that's ever come out of Chico's mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 (edited) Skeeter you are so right about Lundquist and his play against almost every other team but us. What kills me is that you can actually see how he gets off on besting Marty, and Richter was the same way. I'm not sure what it is, but against the Devils, the Rangers play like a Conference leading team too often...I have to admit however, that as much as I dislike the Rags and their goaltender, tonight, he was everything I wished Marty was. Against the Devils Lundquist looks like Keanu Reeves in the movie The Matrix...he's so quick and agile, always in position - rebounds don't often scoot away. Conversely, Marty often times seems timid against the Rags, unsure of himself, clumsy even...his play doesn't resemble the guy who is the all time wins leader...even though I feel that playing all these years in another system - he'd probably have 125 less wins than he does right now. Edit: Okay, not 125 - I'd say 100 less perhaps. Edited February 7, 2010 by DinoCosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Dino, it's called a rivalry for a reason. Lundqvist ain't exactly chopped liver. Let's not forget how god awful the D is. It didn't show till the third. Even with his hi-glove flaw and leaky rebounds, Henrik's still a quality goalie who ranks 5-7. On MB30, the 2nd goal was weak. He never recovered. And the third was also kinda eh. But the Devils really fell apart after Lemaire's dopey decision to put Peters out versus our fourth line. Sometimes, you really have to question the so-called great coach's moves. It made no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinoCosta Posted February 7, 2010 Author Share Posted February 7, 2010 Dino, it's called a rivalry for a reason. Lundqvist ain't exactly chopped liver. Let's not forget how god awful the D is. It didn't show till the third. Even with his hi-glove flaw and leaky rebounds, Henrik's still a quality goalie who ranks 5-7. On MB30, the 2nd goal was weak. He never recovered. And the third was also kinda eh. But the Devils really fell apart after Lemaire's dopey decision to put Peters out versus our fourth line. Sometimes, you really have to question the so-called great coach's moves. It made no sense. I know Legend what you're trying to explain to me...words noted my friend - just consider my thoughts to be pent up frustration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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