TheMazz Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Those contracts are circumventing the cap, if the league lets this go how does it justify punishing NJ for an almost identical deal!!!! Wild won't lose picks because the NHL and NHLPA made an aamendment to the CBA after the Kovy fiasco. But the original penalty of cap circumvention stood for NJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 It's not nj so it won't be an issue. oh yea...totally forgot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRafalski Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Ledger_NJDevils: Parise: "Ryan and I had talked throughout the year. You always say, 'Wouldn't it be great to have thew chance to play with each other?' " well thats great. I think that this right here allows devils fans to be pissed off. The guy was obviously never coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oconnellrules Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 sign semin (he can actually put the puck in the net) and give him number 9. kovy will teach him how to become a legit hockey player all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovalchukforlife17 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Wild won't lose picks because the NHL and NHLPA made an aamendment to the CBA after the Kovy fiasco. But the original penalty of cap circumvention stood for NJ. Contracts cannot be allowed none to less, correct? regardless if no punishment or not!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 it wasn't an identical deal. jesus christ, go look at the original kovalchuk deal. it had 6 years at $550,000 going until he was 44. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 They are better than Kovy's first deal but worst than his second in their total as 10 year deals, BUT, they have a significantly higher cap hit. Obviously as pointed out this doesn't matter anyway, there are guidelines and only a moron could violate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 At least we're not the Predators now. They're so losing Shea Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 it wasn't an identical deal. jesus christ, go look at the original kovalchuk deal. it had 6 years at $550,000 going until he was 44. true, the original Kovy deal was laughable. But this is worse than the second Kovy deal and it's for 2 players. Not gonna be rejected but it is somewhat comical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 it wasn't an identical deal. jesus christ, go look at the original kovalchuk deal. it had 6 years at $550,000 going until he was 44. Which would have easily been lower than implied minimum. I don't understand why they thought they could do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 At least we're not the Predators now. They're so losing Shea Weber. I believe Poile when he says he didn't get to make a matching offer - the Preds have the most Cap space right now. He def would have matched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Let's calm down a little. He took more money to play with a close friend who happens to be an All Star and the best free agent dman on the market, in the city where he grew up, in a different conference. This isn't Gomez or Holik going to the Rags. I think he meant it when he said it was a tough decision. He liked us, but not enough. He earned the right to do what he wanted, and he didn't drag it out to the point where we can't make a move. Boston lost Phil Kessel and won a cup a few years later. I wish we'd lost Zach to an offer sheet when he was RFA, but by keeping him, we ran to the finals, which I can't complain about. We got beat. It happens. Let's hope Lou's smart with the reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMazz Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Contracts cannot be allowed none to less, correct? regardless if no punishment or not!!!! No the NHL agreed to sign off on all contracts without review of salary parameters or length. Although I'm confused as to "none to less" Edited July 4, 2012 by TheMazz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 It's a shame that the two most similar teams: The Preds and Devils, lost out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 I think that this right here allows devils fans to be pissed off. The guy was obviously never coming back its seriously like if your girlfriend is always talking to "that guy" and keep on saying that its nothing that he's just a friend and they keep on talking... its "not cheating" but then she broke up with you and go out with "that guy".... then was it really "not cheating" ? lol super gay comparison but its kinda like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 It's a shame that the two most similar teams: The Preds and Devils, lost out. Both franchises deserve better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEWHistory Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) This is the one argument I don't get. Minnesota IS a contender now. Koivu, Heatley, Parise, Suter. But heatley is clearly on a downward trend. ZP and Suter may help reverse this, but his past three years indicate that he is past his prime. Now that isn't to say he isn't a contributor, but nothing dominating like he once was. as for their defense, I am not terribly informed, but looking at the roster quickly, I don't see all the much beyond Suter. He will log a LOT of minutes..... Hope he eats his Wheaties. Anyway, I tend to agree that the Wild weren't competitive and that they still aren't, although it is possible that signing Zp and Suter may bring them to the very edge of competing for a playoff spot. Problem is that these two contracts make stocking up on talent from here forward quite difficult, IMHO, especially if one or both pull and Gomez and underperform. That will utterly devastate the Wild's ability to compete, just like Crosby getting smacked on the noggin might handicap the Pens for years. Scott Stevens, calling Scott Stevens.... Where are you? Edited July 4, 2012 by AEWHistory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazer Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 well his wife should be worried about all his bromances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRafalski Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 "what is not for you is against you and what is against you is your enemy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Basically Suter and Zach were overhyped because the UFA class was very slim this season. I would put Suter at the level of Paul Martin and I believe Zach got a big payday because of his work ethic more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kovalchukforlife17 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 (edited) Difference between Kovy's current deal and Parise's is Kovy has an incentive to play the last two years of his deal, he gets paid 3 million and then 4 million if he plays.....Parise would only make a million a year!!!THATS NOT CIRCUMVENTING THE CAP????? Edited July 4, 2012 by Kovalchukforlife17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRafalski Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Let's calm down a little. He took more money to play with a close friend who happens to be an All Star and the best free agent dman on the market, in the city where he grew up, in a different conference. This isn't Gomez or Holik going to the Rags. I think he meant it when he said it was a tough decision. He liked us, but not enough. He earned the right to do what he wanted, and he didn't drag it out to the point where we can't make a move. Boston lost Phil Kessel and won a cup a few years later. I wish we'd lost Zach to an offer sheet when he was RFA, but by keeping him, we ran to the finals, which I can't complain about. We got beat. It happens. Let's hope Lou's smart with the reloading. To play with his friend? What's this t- ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 Difference between Kovy's current deal and Parise's is Kovy has an incentive to play the last two years of his deal, he gets paid 3 million and then 4 million if he plays.....Parise would only make a million a year!!!THATS NOT CIRCUMVENTING THE CAP????? He's not playing the last two years of his deal, he'd basically be making minimum salary at that point beforehand, for 3 years. There is no circumventing the cap anymore, they have clear rules in place and only the dumbest of dumb GM's could violate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oconnellrules Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 @TGfireandice never ceases to bum me out. jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted July 4, 2012 Share Posted July 4, 2012 its seriously like if your girlfriend is always talking to "that guy" and keep on saying that its nothing that he's just a friend and they keep on talking... its "not cheating" but then she broke up with you and go out with "that guy".... then was it really "not cheating" ? lol super gay comparison but its kinda like that That's actually not an out of line comparison. Or like Chesnokov tweeted after he said he was talking with Suter, 'I thought he was supposed to be talking with his fiancee?'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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