DaneykoIsGod Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I disagree. You don't learn anything from the experience of losing other than that you don't want to do it again. However, I'm pretty sure that's something that's already ingrained in every single human being, not just athletes. What you learn from are the specific circumstances that led to the loss. There's plenty that can be learned from this loss. The Devils can learn, once again, how much they hate the feeling of an early playoff exit. Parise and his linemates can learn the value of clearing the puck in the last two minutes of a game. Lou can learn that two scoring lines and two lines that have to be lucky as hell to score does not add up to a winning formula. You can say all that would count as learning from the circumstances that led to the loss rather than learning from the loss itself, but I personally don't see a difference. If the Devils don't learn anything from this loss, then we're in for the exact same thing next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZPop91519 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 No, but they are those who can live with it. Zach hates it. A guy like Scott Gomez can live with it. If he couldn't, his effort would be a tad more than what it is most of the season. Zach's the Devils' Jeter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Zach's the Devils' Jeter Ew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZPop91519 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Ew. why ew? Jeter is a great athlete and a great leader who hates losing more than anything. I may be biased because i'm a big Yankees fan, but how does that warrant an "ew"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Zone Trap Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 (edited) why ew? Jeter is a great athlete and a great leader who hates losing more than anything. I may be biased because i'm a big Yankees fan, but how does that warrant an "ew"? He's a baseball player, not an athlete. The "ew" part was that unlike Jeter, Zach is not a conceited arrogant snot who thinks he's better than he is. I hate that $hitty smirk he always has on his face. Athlete my ass Edited May 1, 2009 by Neutral Zone Trap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZPop91519 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 He's a baseball player, not an athlete.The "ew" part was that unlike Jeter, Zach is not a conceited arrogant snot who thinks he's better than he is. I hate that $hitty smirk he always has on his face. Athlete my ass like i said, i know i'm biased, but what has he done to deserved to be called a "conceited, arrogant snot" and seriously, i'm not trying to be a spoiled Yankees fan, and i'm not trying to stride away from the reason for this thread, i really am interested in why fans of other teams view Jeter this way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Zone Trap Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 like i said, i know i'm biased, but what has he done to deserved to be called a "conceited, arrogant snot"and seriously, i'm not trying to be a spoiled Yankees fan, and i'm not trying to stride away from the reason for this thread, i really am interested in why fans of other teams view Jeter this way He could play for the Red Sox-Mets-Braves etc. He's got that stupid smug grin. it's got nothing to do with being on the Yankees. Another prime example of an arrogant player who thinks he's better than he is is Kobe Bryant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Great quotes. Parise hasn't done much post season winning here. I think gone are the days where anyone is going to take a hometown discount to stay with Jersey because they "love having a great chance to win the Cup every year." And they definitely won't be getting any (gulp) Rolston-type discounts from free agents either. The Devils are really just another playoff team around the league right now. I can't see Oduya passing on a larger deal anywhere else because he likes it in Jersey so much and "loves that the Devils are close to the Cup every year." Actually, I may be reading too much into what Zach is saying, but I think you are right. I think Zach is sick and tired of losing early in the playoffs, which since he has joined the team is the only thing they do.... he may choose to leave to go somewhere where he has a chance to go deep into the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metallidevils Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Zach's the Devils' Jeter No he's not. Jeter has always been more valuable off the field (supposedly) than on. Relative to the rest of their respective leagues, Parise has Jeter beat stats-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZPop91519 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 No he's not. Jeter has always been more valuable off the field (supposedly) than on. Relative to the rest of their respective leagues, Parise has Jeter beat stats-wise. i just meant that Zach and Derek both share the "i hate to lose more than anything" mentality. That was the only way i was comparing the two. think i've learned my lesson not to mention Jeter here lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 Zach's the Devils' Jeter That isn't right. Jeter loses and then right away goes home and thinks what super model he's going to sleep with. Pretty sure this is going to bug Parise a lot more. And for whoever brought up Kobe. Kobe is actually similiar to Zach. Kobe might the hardest working athlete in sports who is obsessed with winnig a championship. He has famous work out routines that start at 3:30 AM in the morning. All he does is eat sleep and live basketball. After losing in the Finals last year, he took his workout routine to the next level. The man's work ethic spread to all the best basketball players at the Olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZZPop91519 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 That isn't right. Jeter loses and then right away goes home and thinks what super model he's going to sleep with. Pretty sure this is going to bug Parise a lot more. if you think losing doesn't bother jeter you're crazy have you ever seen him after a loss? doesn't even have to be a big game, he still hates it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AEWHistory Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 If ever there was a time for the Devils to give out one of those 15 year contracts, Parise is the guy. I'm not holding out hope for that however. I haven't posted before, but I really wanted to reply to this if only to reiterate. While I think that these contracts should be very few, and very far between, Parise is exactly the case where it should be employed. He's young, healthy (has he ever had a significant injury?), and the best scorer the Devil's have ever had, without exception. (If you doubt that last one, just wait, he'll blow away Johnny Mac, Elias, and our other snipers within a few years IMO). Lou, nail Zach down for a generation or so!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame346 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 History is repeating itself. We won the cup in 95... missed the playoffs in 96. and won 1 playoff series combined from 97 - 99. Then we got our act together in 2000 and won the whole thing, then went to a game 7 SCF the next year (even though we lost it was still a great series overall). I still have faith this team can get somewhere and get back to its winning ways. We just need a couple player moves here, or there and this team will be right back on top. Unfortunately I am not confident Lou will do this. I am getting REALLY PISSED OFF that he keeps using the same excuse every year and its always that he thinks we will be fine because we have Martin Brodeur. That excuse has run its course and is no longer viable now. 1 playoff win in 5 years Lou. You cannot expect Marty to carry this team every god damn year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilNurn Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 You need a team full of players who hate losing. And you'd get a bunch of Havelids. I think Zach has a point--if these boys win a Cup one of these four years and they learn a whole bunch more than first round losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friezenmy@#%off Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 He could play for the Red Sox-Mets-Braves etc. He's got that stupid smug grin. it's got nothing to do with being on the Yankees.Another prime example of an arrogant player who thinks he's better than he is is Kobe Bryant. difference is, kobe backs it up most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 You need a team full of players who hate losing, more than they enjoy winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICOEATS11 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 In few years, Parise is going to be a captain. This attitude is exactly what a leader in this league needs. Mix that with the fact that he's one of the biggest class acts in the NHL, and he's the perfect guy to take charge. If anyone is going to attempt to fill Stevens' shoes as a leader, I think Zach in a few years will be the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theamazingtiny Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 In few years, Parise is going to be a captain. This attitude is exactly what a leader in this league needs. Mix that with the fact that he's one of the biggest class acts in the NHL, and he's the perfect guy to take charge. If anyone is going to attempt to fill Stevens' shoes as a leader, I think Zach in a few years will be the guy. He's too quiet. I mean you can go for that whole "lead by example" but I prefer someone who will call them out on their BS and get in their face in the locker room. *Sigh* I miss Stevens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegame346 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 He's too quiet. I mean you can go for that whole "lead by example" but I prefer someone who will call them out on their BS and get in their face in the locker room. *Sigh* I miss Stevens. Stevens was great at that stuff. I was watching something about the Devils once and they had won a game like 7 - 2 or something like that but yet back in the locker room he was screaming at his guys because they gave up some odd man rushes or something. That type of intensity is what we need back in our locker room. Stevens was great at it because I am sure the players believed that if they did not perform he would check them into the stone age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHICOEATS11 Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 He's too quiet. I mean you can go for that whole "lead by example" but I prefer someone who will call them out on their BS and get in their face in the locker room. *Sigh* I miss Stevens. Perhaps, but he's still young. I think if at this point in his career, he starts getting on someone's case because they're slacking, it seems a bit presumptuous. Given a couple more years of seniority, and seeing as how these quotes seem to suggest that there's plenty of pent up anger forming, I could definitely see him becoming a locker room force. Alternatively, if he can't develop an intimidating demeanor, we could hire Krzysztof Oliwa to stand behind him with a crowbar when he's giving any sort of locker room speech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucifersDog Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 He has the right attitude too bad some of it doesn't rub off on Marty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 (edited) He could play for the Red Sox-Mets-Braves etc. He's got that stupid smug grin. it's got nothing to do with being on the Yankees. From an unbiased standpoint, that has absolutely nothing to do with your statement about Jeter being a "conceited arrogant snot who thinks he's better than he is." Hes only played for 1 team, isn't that loyalty? (which makes your 'he could play for ....' statement also pointless because he wouldn't).. but I guess you think hes arrogant because of his 'stupid smug grin' .. Edited May 3, 2009 by nmigliore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Zone Trap Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 difference is, kobe backs it up most of the time Oh really ? With the Lakers Kobe won a championship in 2001-02-03. With Shaq. Now that Shaq has left the Lakers. Kobe's never won one since. FAIL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted May 3, 2009 Share Posted May 3, 2009 I'll tell ya, the legend of Scott Stevens grows with every passing year. Now the story is that he was a vocal leader. It's getting to be like the old Ditka skits with the Chicago superfans on Saturday Night Live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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