GDT: Philadelphia @ DEVILS 10/3/09 - 7pm

[xxchaznjxx]

this isn't a good argument. no, he's not a star defenseman, but he is without doubt a top 4 D on just about every team in the league. he's a strong skater who makes good decisions with the puck. losing him would've been deadly, or haven't you seen the contracts being handed out to defensemen recently? he's above average.

i understand how losing him would have hurt the devils. but i think that says more about our lack of talent on d than the fact that oduya is that good. i don't hate the guy, i just don't look at him as one of the leagues better defenseman. above average is about right in describing him.

and i'm not pinning last night's game on him, i'm just pointing out how mediocre our overall defense is.

[Triumph]

i understand how losing him would have hurt the devils. but i think that says more about our lack of talent on d than the fact that oduya is that good. i don't hate the guy, i just don't look at him as one of the leagues better defenseman. above average is about right in describing him.

and i'm not pinning last night's game on him, i'm just pointing out how mediocre our overall defense is.

no, it says something about the lack of talent around the league - just about any team who loses an oduya is going to feel a sting. i suppose you didn't notice the 3.2 million/season contract just handed out to stephane robidas, or the 2.9 million/season given to rostislav klesla. teams don't have rookies that can step in and play as well as johnny oduya.

[The Rock 07]

Besides the terrible game, I had a great time down at The Rock. The crowd was really really loud at the beginning but the lackluster play really sucked the life out of it. I was feeling good about the game until the 5 on 3 and we didn't score then it was downhill from there. It seemed like every time a Devil got the puck a Flyer would come along and take it right from them. They could not pass and they could not keep possession of the puck.

Oh and about the Philth...

I was walking infront of the practice rink before the game and their fan group bus was unloading and they all had beer in dixie cups and were booing every Devil fan that walked by. So when I walked by they did their boo routine and it was ticking me off that I was getting booed at my own arena so I yelled "1975" and they all shut up. But then this one guy wearing a Lindros shirt who needed a haircut chased after me saying "well atleast the Flyers have won the cup huh? huh?" So I started yelling at him saying "Are you f-ing kidding me? We have won three Stanley Cups, pal. And yeah I was alive to see all of them, which is more than you can say. And do you even remember that the Flyers were up 3-1 in the ECF in 2000 and the Devils came back and beat you in your own building and your buddy Lindros got destroyed by Scotty Stevens and the Devils went on to win the Stanley Cup?" and he said "Ah no dude, Lindros hit Stevens, I was there" So I said "Go read an f-ing history book". Then after the game I saw this guy and his fellow fans by 124 humping, slapping, punching each other and pouring beer on eachother.

[HockeyR53]

In other news, Zubrus is on pace for 164 assists.

[95Crash]

Besides the terrible game, I had a great time down at The Rock. The crowd was really really loud at the beginning but the lackluster play really sucked the life out of it. I was feeling good about the game until the 5 on 3 and we didn't score then it was downhill from there. It seemed like every time a Devil got the puck a Flyer would come along and take it right from them. They could not pass and they could not keep possession of the puck.

Oh and about the Philth...

I was walking infront of the practice rink before the game and their fan group bus was unloading and they all had beer in dixie cups and were booing every Devil fan that walked by. So when I walked by they did their boo routine and it was ticking me off that I was getting booed at my own arena so I yelled "1975" and they all shut up. But then this one guy wearing a Lindros shirt who needed a haircut chased after me saying "well atleast the Flyers have won the cup huh? huh?" So I started yelling at him saying "Are you f-ing kidding me? We have won three Stanley Cups, pal. And yeah I was alive to see all of them, which is more than you can say. And do you even remember that the Flyers were up 3-1 in the ECF in 2000 and the Devils came back and beat you in your own building and your buddy Lindros got destroyed by Scotty Stevens and the Devils went on to win the Stanley Cup?" and he said "Ah no dude, Lindros hit Stevens, I was there" So I said "Go read an f-ing history book". Then after the game I saw this guy and his fellow fans by 124 humping, slapping, punching each other and pouring beer on eachother.

You did good! I know some people might read your post and think "why even bother?" because that guy was so clueless. But you are a proud Devils fan who was simply sticking up for your team outside your own building. We can always use more fans like that. Thumbs-up!

[Par9]

You guys crack me up, I see a good season ahead of us. Yeah some rust but yous guys are acting like true blue trolls. We need to sit back and enjoy the show. Take a nice sip and sit back you guys are punishing yourselves ! I'm feeling such a sad vibe on this fourm. Bow to LOU!

[devlman]

It really wasn't. Name all the great scoring chances the Flyers had. Maybe the 4th goal? None of the other goals were good chances and Marty made no big saves so maybe 1 big Flyers chance. I can quickly name 2 fir the Devils. Rolston early in the game and Pandos backhand.

The actual Flyer goals may not have been off of great scoring chances, but they were a result of their dominance in puck-possession and outworking our Defense.

[DevilinLA]

You guys crack me up, I see a good season ahead of us. Yeah some rust but yous guys are acting like true blue trolls. We need to sit back and enjoy the show. Take a nice sip and sit back you guys are punishing yourselves ! I'm feeling such a sad vibe on this fourm. Bow to LOU!

This may be the only thing you've posted so far that everyone here should read twice.

[marty_is_better30]

then this one guy wearing a Lindros shirt who needed a haircut chased after me saying "well atleast the Flyers have won the cup huh? huh?"

it was like an Afro i f so i saw this what a jerk he looked like i saw him in arena and mpeople were abusing him it was kinda of funny

[Devils731]

The actual Flyer goals may not have been off of great scoring chances, but they were a result of their dominance in puck-possession and outworking our Defense.

Funny, you would have thought they would have had a big margin in shots on goal then. Why did the Devils outshoot the Flyers 13 to 7 in the 2nd period? What big stops did Marty make? If Marty didn't really make any big stops and most of the Flyers goals were off poor goaltending then weren't the Devils doing something right in not allowing the dominant puck possession and outworking the Devils defenseman to turn into good scoring chances? The shot chart looks pretty similar for both teams as well.

[SS-SS]

Funny, you would have thought they would have had a big margin in shots on goal then. Why did the Devils outshoot the Flyers 13 to 7 in the 2nd period? What big stops did Marty make? If Marty didn't really make any big stops and most of the Flyers goals were off poor goaltending then weren't the Devils doing something right in not allowing the dominant puck possession and outworking the Devils defenseman to turn into good scoring chances? The shot chart looks pretty similar for both teams as well.

They shot maybe 2 or 3 shots more than us but Marty gave them 4 easy goals and that is the difference...you can't build momentum and try to be dominant when your goalie let a goal every time the other team shoots...its kinda demoralizing to the players.

Just look at Rolston goal...for a moment I thought we were at least scoring 2 more as well as the fans in the arena but 1 minute later Marty lets in another softie...no surprise the players just abandon at that point.

Edited October 4, 2009 by SS-SS

[The Rock 07]

it was like an Afro i f so i saw this what a jerk he looked like i saw him in arena and mpeople were abusing him it was kinda of funny

Yep. That was him!

You did good! I know some people might read your post and think "why even bother?" because that guy was so clueless. But you are a proud Devils fan who was simply sticking up for your team outside your own building. We can always use more fans like that. Thumbs-up!

Thank you! I appreciate it! I couldnt believe that the people walking past before me wouldnt say anything back and just took it. It was pathetic. It really was.

[Devils731]

They shot maybe 2 or 3 shots more than us but Marty gave them 4 easy goals and that is the difference...you can't build momentum and try to be dominant when your goalie let a goal every time the other team shoots...its kinda demoralizing to the players.

Just look at Rolston goal...for a moment I thought we were at least scoring 2 more as well as the fans in the arena but 1 minute later Marty lets in another softie...no surprise the players just abandon at that point.

So Marty letting in bad goals means the skaters on the team played poorly? Of course not, those are separate things. The person I was responding to seems to be saying the Devils were outplayed at the skating positions and that isn't true.

He said the Devils defense was outworked and the Flyers were dominant, certainly he isn't the only person the express those views. I'm saying those views are incorrect and the game result rests mostly on Marty but some people can't seem to separate the scoreboard from what happened on the ice.

[Par9]

I think we all feel like we played a bad game but we have to stop carrying on and on and on. After one game half our this board is speculating that we will end up in last, not make the playoffs, and self destruct. Marty did have a bad night but I don't think you should question one of the best, if not the best, goalie in NHL history. Even though we got beat there were a lot of good things.

Bergfors--Looked amazing and was hustling to every puck and has great chances.

Rolston--Looked like he could reach 30 goals.

Pandolfo--Was hustleing to every puck and was great on the PK.

Overall we lost, but a lot good things happened. Lets just start with a new slate tomorrow against the Rangers. Jacques will fix this team in time!

[SS-SS]

So Marty letting in bad goals means the skaters on the team played poorly? Of course not, those are separate things. The person I was responding to seems to be saying the Devils were outplayed at the skating positions and that isn't true.He said the Devils defense was outworked and the Flyers were dominant, certainly he isn't the only person the express those views. I'm saying those views are incorrect and the game result rests mostly on Marty but some people can't seem to separate the scoreboard from what happened on the ice.

I agree with you but my point is that at some moments in the game we could have built on some momentum but those softies kinda break the rhythm and demoralize the players...but when I look at our players in the offensive end and the defensive end we did play and good or let say average game.

[rawker]

We couldn't get a puck past emery early, which killed our momentum. Then the softies hurt. But its not like marty has never had a bad game before, usually a great game comes after his bad ones. I think we need some better direction on the PP, and some better play in front of the net.

[Sickman]

We couldn't get a puck past emery early, which killed our momentum. Then the softies hurt. But its not like marty has never had a bad game before, usually a great game comes after his bad ones. I think we need some better direction on the PP, and some better play in front of the net.

No way man. This makes to much sense. Don't you understand this team sucks? They will be lucky to not finish 15th in conference. They'll never score more then 2 goals and what you witnessed last night in the FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON will continue to happen across the next 81.

On a serious note I just have to shake my head at some of the things that you read about this team. Nobody is expecting people to feel good about losing but if the internet (Devils forums and such) is any indicator of the overall view of the fan base then it has really gotten to a point where even losing one game is unacceptable. I guess supporting a successful team can do that but it just seems that there is such a lack of perspective when it comes to fans of this team. Players are not allowed to make mistakes or have off nights and one loss results in mass hysteria. The sad part is that should the Devils whip the Rangers tomorrow you can pretty much store the Cup in Prudential Centers basement. But heaven forbid if they lose tomorrow. It will get nuts. I cant vouch for fans of other teams because I don't follow any other teams but Bi-polar really comes to mind when I think of Devils fans.

[thelastonealive]

No way man. This makes to much sense. Don't you understand this team sucks? They will be lucky to not finish 15th in conference. They'll never score more then 2 goals and what you witnessed last night in the FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON will continue to happen across the next 81.

On a serious note I just have to shake my head at some of the things that you read about this team. Nobody is expecting people to feel good about losing but if the internet (Devils forums and such) is any indicator of the overall view of the fan base then it has really gotten to a point where even losing one game is unacceptable. I guess supporting a successful team can do that but it just seems that there is such a lack of perspective when it comes to fans of this team. Players are not allowed to make mistakes or have off nights and one loss results in mass hysteria. The sad part is that should the Devils whip the Rangers tomorrow you can pretty much store the Cup in Prudential Centers basement. But heaven forbid if they lose tomorrow. It will get nuts. I cant vouch for fans of other teams because I don't follow any other teams but Bi-polar really comes to mind when I think of Devils fans.

It's the big picture-little picture thing. I'm with you, I feel the same way, but I reckon we're too close to see it from afar. I think it feels worse than it is because we're all so involved in the team, and the fan forums, and trying to be moderately intelligent hockey fans who appreciate the game for what it is, rather than casual hockey-as-something-to-do fans.

If I had the time to dedicate to it, I'd research Red Wings blogs and fan forums like this one, because they're about as close as we can get to a similar level of success over an extended period of time - young Wings fans, like young Devils fans, don't know a season of losing (and by young I mean not old - anyone under the age of 25 or 26 for either team grew up with both teams pretty damn successful).

[devlman]

So Marty letting in bad goals means the skaters on the team played poorly? Of course not, those are separate things. The person I was responding to seems to be saying the Devils were outplayed at the skating positions and that isn't true.

He said the Devils defense was outworked and the Flyers were dominant, certainly he isn't the only person the express those views. I'm saying those views are incorrect and the game result rests mostly on Marty but some people can't seem to separate the scoreboard from what happened on the ice.

Bro, you cant just look at the SOG's as the sole indicator of dominance. Honestly, when i saw we were outshooting them i thought someone made a typo. Despite the shots, their forwards had an easy time gaining our zone and cycling. Now, them not turning that into more shots is on them. But, anyone at the game will tell you our boys were outskated all night.

[pattyelias]

I didn't see the game yesterday and just watched the lowlights. Brodeur literally gave up 5 soft goals. What a joke.

[Devils731]

Bro, you cant just look at the SOG's as the sole indicator of dominance. Honestly, when i saw we were outshooting them i thought someone made a typo. Despite the shots, their forwards had an easy time gaining our zone and cycling. Now, them not turning that into more shots is on them. But, anyone at the game will tell you our boys were outskated all night.

I was there, I rarely miss a game. Which team got more shots from the slot? It was the Devils by a few when I looked. If the Flyers were having such an easy te they would of had more slot shots.

I gave reasons, shots on goal, good chances, shot area, penalties and they all point to the game not being lopsided from the skaters, just like I saw. Your argument is "bro, trust me, I know and you don't."

[ClarkyDano23]

Some pictures of Championship Plaza, the Crawl and the game:

this was a funny brick message(the highest one):

[Devil Dan 56]

Marty can you say the word "ownership"?????

"Not really his best game," Lemaire said. "It's kind of tough for him. He got a couple of easy goals on him and after that, he was maybe questioning himself a little bit. But hey, it's one game, no big deal."

But Marty says:

" "We couldn't score on our power play, then they get back, they score a goal and from there it just kind of went south on us," Brodeur said."

"Martin Brodeur, who allowed five goals on 27 Flyers shots, said he heard the mock cheers and some boos.

"What's new? When the team isn't playing well they're not going to praise you," he said. "It's disappointing for everybody, a situation like that. I hate to break the news to you, but it's going to happen again. If we don't perform, people won't be happy. That's the nature of everything.""

Marty where is the "we" in "I"? Marty the Devils fans were clapping when you stopped a puck. The boos and mock cheers were directed at you.

It's easy to be a "broken record" when Marty feeds me all the time.

How's this one for ya?

"I didnt play well. Thats the bottom line," Brodeur said. "A couple of goals I was looking for passes instead of just setting up for shots. I was just in between. I dont know if it was the type of chances they had on me that made me do that. Thats what were going to look at it and see. Ive just got to focus on playing one guy at a time better than I did [saturday]."

edit - from Gulitti's article about tonights game on NorthJersey.com

Edited October 5, 2009 by Devil Dan 56

[MantaRay]

Hey Zubrus got two points!

Go MR. OCTOBER!!!

[devlman]

I was there, I rarely miss a game. Which team got more shots from the slot? It was the Devils by a few when I looked. If the Flyers were having such an easy te they would of had more slot shots.

I gave reasons, shots on goal, good chances, shot area, penalties and they all point to the game not being lopsided from the skaters, just like I saw. Your argument is "bro, trust me, I know and you don't."

Lol no my arguement is what team had more possession in their opponent's zone? Philly did, by far. We might have won on a few fronts, like SOG's and shots in the slot, but they controlled the game.