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#41 nyrsuck26

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Posted 19 April 2012 - 10:28 PM

The Grandyman can! Thrice!
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Posted 19 April 2012 - 11:08 PM

Its amazing how much better Granderson has been ever since he redeveloped his swing with Kevin Long late in 2010. Seems like a great guy too with a lot of the charity and community work he does off the field.
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Posted 20 April 2012 - 08:48 AM

The Grandyman can! Thrice!


Oy vey, repeating the Sterling nicknames only encourages to be even more annoying. I can't wait until that embarrassment is off the air. Of course, with my luck he'll start doing Devils games.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:15 PM

HA HA HA! Fatso Pineda out for the year with a torn labrum. Serious, serious injury that can be a Brien Taylor type career ender.

Good thing I'm not as heavily emotionally invested in the Yankees as I once was, so I can quote Gore Vidal in saying that the greatest words in the English language are "I told you so."

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 04:19 PM

Yea good thing we didn't just trade one of the games most riveted prospects for a guy that will probably be a bust and never play a game for us

.. Wait, what? We did?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 07:54 PM

This news is fairly devastating, one of the worst injuries a pitcher can have.

I still have no problem with Cashman making the deal. I wasn't a fan of it when it first broke, but for reasons I've already stated in the past, I came around on it and found it to be a good gamble to take. Trading a minor league sensation DH that was cost controlled for a cost controlled pitcher who already had success at the MLB level wasn't a bad idea.

We won't know who won this trade for at least five years. Pineda's career could be done or he could recover and become an ace like Clemens did. Montero may become an elite hitter as a catcher, or just as a DH, or could not reach his potential at all. Noesi wasn't and will not be a big deal to lose either way. Jose Campos is a quality prospect who has gotten off to a great start this year. He could end up being the biggest star from this deal 5-7 years from now. The Mariners got the better end of the deal for 2012, but its important to have patience and not jump to conclusions.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:09 PM

"this is what happens when you give up on Jesus"
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:00 PM

I'd love to know how it is funny or appropriate to call 23 year old with a serious injury a fatso and to laugh at him...

This news is fairly devastating, one of the worst injuries a pitcher can have.

I still have no problem with Cashman making the deal. I wasn't a fan of it when it first broke, but for reasons I've already stated in the past, I came around on it and found it to be a good gamble to take. Trading a minor league sensation DH that was cost controlled for a cost controlled pitcher who already had success at the MLB level wasn't a bad idea.

We won't know who won this trade for at least five years. Pineda's career could be done or he could recover and become an ace like Clemens did. Montero may become an elite hitter as a catcher, or just as a DH, or could not reach his potential at all. Noesi wasn't and will not be a big deal to lose either way. Jose Campos is a quality prospect who has gotten off to a great start this year. He could end up being the biggest star from this deal 5-7 years from now. The Mariners got the better end of the deal for 2012, but its important to have patience and not jump to conclusions.


A guy who will be a millionaire before he's 25 or maybe is already can take it.

And again I still don't understand why people are touting his "success". He was great at the beginning of last year, but bad down the stretch and his velocity was significantly down at that point. Mike Pelfrey had similar numbers in the beginning of 2010(?) but you would be smoking crack to have traded a prospect of Montero's caliber for him.

It also wasn't like Montero had no track record. He was excellent right out of the gate and made the post-season roster for a team that already had great hitting. You don't trade him for someone with upside.

This will be the worst deal the Yankees have made . . . well maybe ever.

EDIT: On second thought, what I said about Pineda was really infantile. Even more lame that I doubled down on it. Thanks Feisty for pointing out how idiotic the comment was. I still maintain at it was an awful trade, but it's no excuse to make fun of a guy when he's down.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:06 PM

Obviously the Yankees had no faith in Montero being a catcher. Judging by most scouts they're weren't the only ones. As great as a hitter he may end up being, he is a DH. With how old the line up is they need to keep that DH spot as a rotation. They already have a solid catcher in Martin and a ton of depth in the minors. In a few years J.R. Murphy or Gary Sanchez may make Yankees fans forget about Montero. Not to mention the character concerns with Jesus. In the end they traded a guy that had no position for a quality prospect that already had success. I can't hate the move.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 10:18 PM

Obviously the Yankees had no faith in Montero being a catcher. Judging by most scouts they're weren't the only ones. As great as a hitter he may end up being, he is a DH. With how old the line up is they need to keep that DH spot as a rotation. They already have a solid catcher in Martin and a ton of depth in the minors. In a few years J.R. Murphy or Gary Sanchez may make Yankees fans forget about Montero. Not to mention the character concerns with Jesus. In the end they traded a guy that had no position for a quality prospect that already had success. I can't hate the move.


I hadn't heard of any charactacter concerns with Montero, except maybe that he wasn't trying as hard after a while in Scranton. Even if true, it's not the most uncommon thing in the world.

Also, Seatlle is breaking him in as a catcher, and he seems to be coming along ok. They said the same thing about Posada at the beginning of his career, but he turned out to be a decent enough fielding catcher.

Regardless, even if there is a logjam, and it's hard to foresee where he might fit in, with a talent like him you find a way to make it work. If he's a career dh, which I actually don't see him being, you could do a whole lot worse.

The biggest problem I've always had with this deal is that the Yanks sold very very low. Montero was the type of prospect you should have gotten a sure thing for. Pineda was most certainly not that, and I was shocked by how many people seemed to think he was.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:57 PM

"this is what happens when you give up on Jesus"

First of all, this is hilarious.


Now, I just heard the news, and this is a real bummer. There were some really high hopes for him, and as was already mentioned, it's the type of injury that can permanently affect a career. I still think the trade was a decent one, taking into account obviously that there was no way Cashman could have known that this would happen. I liked Montero as a hitter, I didn't see him ever becoming a truly outstanding hitter, which IMO you need to be if you're going to be a DH as your primary position. So, I don't think Cashman really wrongly pulled the trigger, and who knows maybe Piñeda comes back next year and still works out.
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Posted 25 April 2012 - 11:59 PM

First of all, this is hilarious.


Now, I just heard the news, and this is a real bummer. There were some really high hopes for him, and as was already mentioned, it's the type of injury that can permanently affect a career. I still think the trade was a decent one, taking into account obviously that there was no way Cashman could have known that this would happen. I liked Montero as a hitter, I didn't see him ever becoming a truly outstanding hitter, which IMO you need to be if you're going to be a DH as your primary position. So, I don't think Cashman really wrongly pulled the trigger, and who knows maybe Piñeda comes back next year and still works out.


I see Montero being as good a hitter as Miguel Cabrera. Miguel Cabrera thinks so too.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 09:19 AM

I see Montero being as good a hitter as Miguel Cabrera. Miguel Cabrera thinks so too.

Montero will probably be an even worse fielder than Cabrera too.

Finding a quality hitter is a lot easier than finding a quality starter. The Yankees still have one of the best offenses in baseball without Montero. They are currently tied for 1st with Texas with a 126 wRC+ and this is without production from the middle of the order. Last year they were tied for 2nd with Texas with a 113 wRC+. It would be nice to add Montero to that line up but its not the end of the world.

The minor league system boast a lot of quality offensive prospects but has a serious lack of high end pitching prospects, especially in the upper levels. Betances could end up in the AAA bullpen sooner than later and has health concerns. Banuelos has an alarmingly walk rate that has gone up as he has advanced, as well as an injury problem right now. Campos who they got in the Montero deal is the only other potential high end starter in the system.

The trade looks bad now but if we wait 5 years we'll have a much better idea.

Sidenote: Its a shame Gerrit Cole fvcked the Yankees over a few years ago. I hope he flops.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 11:02 AM

Montero will probably be an even worse fielder than Cabrera too.

Finding a quality hitter is a lot easier than finding a quality starter. The Yankees still have one of the best offenses in baseball without Montero. They are currently tied for 1st with Texas with a 126 wRC+ and this is without production from the middle of the order. Last year they were tied for 2nd with Texas with a 113 wRC+. It would be nice to add Montero to that line up but its not the end of the world.

The minor league system boast a lot of quality offensive prospects but has a serious lack of high end pitching prospects, especially in the upper levels. Betances could end up in the AAA bullpen sooner than later and has health concerns. Banuelos has an alarmingly walk rate that has gone up as he has advanced, as well as an injury problem right now. Campos who they got in the Montero deal is the only other potential high end starter in the system.

The trade looks bad now but if we wait 5 years we'll have a much better idea.

Sidenote: Its a shame Gerrit Cole fvcked the Yankees over a few years ago. I hope he flops.


As I've always said, I had no problem in principle with trading Montero. For as good as I think he's going to be, he was not an untouchable prospect like Bryce Harper or Strasberg. I just always hated the return. You parlay your prospects for proven entities, which Pineda never was in my opinion. If anything, even the short amount of time that Montero played, he was just as proven as Pineda was to that point.

While I don't know offhand who might be available at the trade deadline, I would have held my chips and seen if someone like Felix Hernandez became available. In the meantime, you could have slotted Montero at DH, and have him start some games at catcher against weaker opponents or every so often when Arod is the DH for the night.

So far as fielding, seriously, would you not trade even a great fielding/hitting first baseman like Texeira for a near generational hitter like Cabrera? And I don't think Cabrera is as bad a fielding first baseman as you're making him out to be. He isn't great, but he's not a liability of the Giambi mold.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

As I've always said, I had no problem in principle with trading Montero. For as good as I think he's going to be, he was not an untouchable prospect like Bryce Harper or Strasberg. I just always hated the return. You parlay your prospects for proven entities, which Pineda never was in my opinion. If anything, even the short amount of time that Montero played, he was just as proven as Pineda was to that point.

While I don't know offhand who might be available at the trade deadline, I would have held my chips and seen if someone like Felix Hernandez became available. In the meantime, you could have slotted Montero at DH, and have him start some games at catcher against weaker opponents or every so often when Arod is the DH for the night.

So far as fielding, seriously, would you not trade even a great fielding/hitting first baseman like Texeira for a near generational hitter like Cabrera? And I don't think Cabrera is as bad a fielding first baseman as you're making him out to be. He isn't great, but he's not a liability of the Giambi mold.

I would've rather gotten a more proven pitcher back but I'll almost always defer to Cashman's judgement. If Pineda returns next year to form, they are getting a quality starter with 4 years left of team control.

Unfortunately, Seattle will not trade Felix any time soon. So far it looks like a weak market out there for starting pitching. A lot can change between now and the deadline though.

Of course I'd rather have a Cabrera over a Teixeira. I just bring up Montero's defense and attitude as a reason to why the Yankees were so willing to part with him. For as much prospect shine Montero had, it seems like the organization was never as high on him as the hype. He could end up being a Cabrera type bat, but he has a ways to go until he gets there - if he gets there. All the advanced metrics hate Cabrera wherever he plays in the field which is what I go on.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 12:58 PM

For as much prospect shine Montero had, it seems like the organization was never as high on him as the hype.


One thing the Yankees do very well is hype their prospects. So you can never tell who they really like and who they don't.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 03:00 PM

I drafted Pineada with a 12th round pick in fantasy, my third starter. Between that and the Adam Wainwright pick I made before it, I can't say I'm too happy. Definitely thought Pineada would be getting a lot of wins.
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:03 PM

I can't express how happy I am Pettitte will be back soon - especially if he can get back to where he left off. I wish I could express the same optimism in Hughes, but I've nearly lost all hope in him turning it around. Hopefully he proves me wrong but I won't hold my breath.

I wonder if Hughes and Garcia both continue to struggle mightily, if the Yankees would consider throwing Phelps, Mitchell, or Warren in the rotation? Phelps has been getting hit, against good teams though, lately but he already has his feet wet. The AAA numbers this year suffer from really small sample size as well as the fact they've been playing all road games, most in freezing (by baseball standards) weather. Mitchell who seems the least touted out of the 3 is off to a decent start: 23 IP 8.22 K9 2.74 BB/9 1.17 HR/9 0.87 WHIP .182 BABIP 77.4 LOB% 3.13 ERA 4.11 FIP
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Posted 26 April 2012 - 05:06 PM

One thing the Yankees do very well is hype their prospects. So you can never tell who they really like and who they don't.

This is incredibly true. You can tell that their strategy with regards to developing prospects is hyping them up as much as possible with the sole intention of trading them.
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 06:46 PM

I wonder if Hughes and Garcia both continue to struggle mightily, if the Yankees would consider throwing Phelps, Mitchell, or Warren in the rotation? Phelps has been getting hit, against good teams though, lately but he already has his feet wet. The AAA numbers this year suffer from really small sample size as well as the fact they've been playing all road games, most in freezing (by baseball standards) weather. Mitchell who seems the least touted out of the 3 is off to a decent start: 23 IP 8.22 K9 2.74 BB/9 1.17 HR/9 0.87 WHIP .182 BABIP 77.4 LOB% 3.13 ERA 4.11 FIP


The Yankees heard you: Garcia to bullpen, Phelps to rotation

It'll be interesting to see how he does.

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