Devil Dan 56 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sorry. Meant from the fans point of view. It's not something that is happening anyway, but yes, the players might not like it. Yeah, I can't see many fans being too unhappy if he was stripped of captaincy hahah. At this point, I don't think he could do anything for the fans to like him again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Who's acting like Fayne is "not replaceable" I stated, I have watched him in 4 games this year and he's outperformed all my expectations. BTW, Fayne is First Line pairing for the Oilers, not 3rd line... He's also wearing an A now. Fayne is playing 17 minutes/game - he's not playing on their top pairing, though he may be at the end of the season, given how bad they're doing - if he's paired with Martin Marincin that pairing will do real well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 When did Salvador's contract keep the organization from retaining players, or cost us Radim Vrbata? Seriously? Band together and write letters and boycott because we are all demoralized because Bryce Salvador is playing? Nothing new, plenty of ticket holders have written management over the conduct of their operations/decisions... it is a business and the customer do have a monetary say and they make it known. That goes for all sports, not just the Devs, or NHL. Frankly, you're putting words out there... Fans have always made it clear to sports organizations on bad operations decisions/results, and you see it everyday in half filled or less arenas/stadiums. I don't know where you drummed-up this boycott saying, but fans just stop buying tickets when they don't like the results. It's not some conspiratorial plan, it's just human nature in wanting a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Fayne is playing 17 minutes/game - he's not playing on their top pairing, though he may be at the end of the season, given how bad they're doing - if he's paired with Martin Marincin that pairing will do real well. Fayne is playing their top line now and yes, he's paired with Maricin. They are stacked against opponent's #1 line. http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=649372 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitico12 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 In my opinion, Sal is the beneficiary of a very generous contract given to him "in gratitude" for helping bail out Lou and the organization from a very dicey situation when Kovalchuk's contract put them over the cap. He sat out an entire NHL season due to "concussion, " being placed on the LTIR, thus nullifying his cap hit and allowing the Devils to go over the cap. IMO, Salvador probably could have played that season, but was kindly invited to "stay sick" because it would help out the Devils. MacLean's short tenure as coach, putting the team in a downward spiral before Christmas helped cement the decision for both Salvador and the Devils to shut it down for the season. He wouldn't have to worry about his head, have more time to rest, and the Devils wouldn't have to shuffle any more cards around to make room for Kovy's salary. Win-win for both parties. In exchange for that "cooperative spirit" by Salvador, not to mention the solid playoff run in 2012, Lou rewarded Sal with a 3 year deal. This is why he is still on the team and still captain IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sal should really only be used in the defensive zone as much as possible. He should be getting very few offensive zone starts, because he gets burned so often. He's really only useful on the pk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Nothing new, plenty of ticket holders have written management over the conduct of their operations/decisions... it is a business and the customer do have a monetary say and they make it known. That goes for all sports, not just the Devs, or NHL. Frankly, you're putting words out there... Fans have always made it clear to sports organizations on bad operations decisions/results, and you see it everyday in half filled or less arenas/stadiums. I don't know where you drummed-up this boycott saying, but fans just stop buying tickets when they don't like the results. It's not some conspiratorial plan, it's just human nature in wanting a winner. What does any of that have to do with Radim Vrbata? And yeah, I guess I don't see how one player on the ice leads to the demoralized fanbase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 What does any of that have to do with Radim Vrbata? And yeah, I guess I don't see how one player on the ice leads to the demoralized fanbase. When you have more cap space, then you can afford better talent Yes, you don't see it... hence this thread and the sports media articles covering it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 When you have more cap space, then you can afford better talent Yes, you don't see it... hence this thread and the sports media articles covering it Yeah. Still doesn't explain Vrbata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 In my opinion, Sal is the beneficiary of a very generous contract given to him "in gratitude" for helping bail out Lou and the organization from a very dicey situation when Kovalchuk's contract put them over the cap. He sat out an entire NHL season due to "concussion, " being placed on the LTIR, thus nullifying his cap hit and allowing the Devils to go over the cap. IMO, Salvador probably could have played that season, but was kindly invited to "stay sick" because it would help out the Devils. MacLean's short tenure as coach, putting the team in a downward spiral before Christmas helped cement the decision for both Salvador and the Devils to shut it down for the season. He wouldn't have to worry about his head, have more time to rest, and the Devils wouldn't have to shuffle any more cards around to make room for Kovy's salary. Win-win for both parties. In exchange for that "cooperative spirit" by Salvador, not to mention the solid playoff run in 2012, Lou rewarded Sal with a 3 year deal. This is why he is still on the team and still captain IMO. I also kind of wonder whether Sal's deal was part of an effort to convince Parise to stay, since evidently they're very friendly, or were at the time. When you have more cap space, then you can afford better talent You need to be in the market for that better talent in the first place. The dollars that Sal is getting isn't really the issue. It wouldn't have prevented the Devils from making a huge run at say Paul Stastny if they were so inclined. He's just taking up a roster spot that might be better suited for someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 hes made a few good plays so far this season that i can remember thinking to myself those were good moves... but at the same time he has made more then his share of poor choices out there too.. hes old and slow and i think he too falls under the "given too many minutes" issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted October 23, 2014 Author Share Posted October 23, 2014 And yeah, I guess I don't see how one player on the ice leads to the demoralized fanbase. Salvador embodies my major issues with PDB's system and methods. That's why it bothers me as much as it does. Not all Salvador's fault obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yeah. Still doesn't explain Vrbata. If you have cap space and not wasting millions, then you have even more to work with in acquiring the higher cost contracts for the higher level of talent... Vrbata's asking price was a little too steep, especially the lack of Dev's cap space. There's was very good interest in Vrbata, all the analysts agreed too, like Craig Button... "New Jersey was a very good fit for Vrbata that fills the offensive/shootout void. I think Vrbata's has like a 45% shootout success rate, that's perfection for the biggest deficiency with this club last year. Instead, the resultant is another season of a huge liability on the backend sucking $3.2 million cap space(the highest of any Devils defenseman) and most likely won't be playing a full season for that salary anyway. Additionally, the compliance buyout was wasted on the wrong player(many on the forum agreed) especially when you look at value/cost. Should of been Salvador instead of Hedberg and this season's start would have the Devils $5+ million ahead in this game... more to pursue top talent, a "box office draw" as they say. Then again, there appears a deal was done with Salvador because of Management mistakes in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95Crash Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) In my opinion, Sal is the beneficiary of a very generous contract given to him "in gratitude" for helping bail out Lou and the organization from a very dicey situation when Kovalchuk's contract put them over the cap. He sat out an entire NHL season due to "concussion, " being placed on the LTIR, thus nullifying his cap hit and allowing the Devils to go over the cap. IMO, Salvador probably could have played that season, but was kindly invited to "stay sick" because it would help out the Devils. MacLean's short tenure as coach, putting the team in a downward spiral before Christmas helped cement the decision for both Salvador and the Devils to shut it down for the season. He wouldn't have to worry about his head, have more time to rest, and the Devils wouldn't have to shuffle any more cards around to make room for Kovy's salary. Win-win for both parties. In exchange for that "cooperative spirit" by Salvador, not to mention the solid playoff run in 2012, Lou rewarded Sal with a 3 year deal. This is why he is still on the team and still captain IMO. That's an interesting theory. I have no clue if it's accurate or not, but it makes for good reading, LOL! Edited October 23, 2014 by 95Crash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Fayne is playing their top line now and yes, he's paired with Maricin. They are stacked against opponent's #1 line. http://video.oilers.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=4&id=649372 Fayne was 5th, 5th and 6th among their d-men in TOI in three recent games, or at least it was that way early in the season. Nikitin and Schultz have been getting the majority of TOI there. Last night their TOI seems to have been more evenly split though. Edited October 23, 2014 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) That's an interesting theory. I have no clue if it's accurate or not, but it makes for good reading, LOL! Yeah I really don't think Sal's 'concussion' had anything to do with anything. He could have easily come back in February or March after they traded Langs/Arnott and at least gotten some games in as opposed to laying out an entire season if it was truly a phony baloney injury. And why would they have made him of all people sit out anyway? They were icing a defense with stalwarts like OMG, Corrente and other assorted garbage in the first half. He was one of the last people they could afford to take out of the lineup that year. If they had no other recourse to stay under the cap they could have just Reddened Rolston. Edited October 23, 2014 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 This will be a fiery thread... and fur sure, I'm not holding back That's okay Sal and most informed fans/supporters already know LL policies with social media. The value... Byrce makes $3.2 million/yr, going to be 39 in February, and takes away from long term investment in younger prospects, acquisitions, and performers. I have watched 4 games(1 pre & 3 reg season) of the Edmonton Oilers and Fayne is the one bright spot on a team of undisciplined, mismanaged, & poorly coached of an organization. I truly think Fayne was a loss to the fans and Devils organization. Saying this, I have played the defensive position in hockey all my entire life and I can say, you are done on the ice Salvador. But because of the coaching and management poor decisions, you are still hanging around. The only way the Fans and people have a say now, is with their wallets. If season ticket holders and any Devils ticket purchasing fan start writing management and threatening to no longer fund/support the current policies, then change will happen, unfortunately, it has already proven too late. But because of for some reason LL investing longer contracts with older players is just mind boggling and really handcuffs future player acquisitions, and as you can see, has backfired once again. At Salvador's very best time in the NHL and sport of hockey, he was only an average defenceman. I look at the value and Salvador's is not only zero, but a negative to the team/fans because, he a 35+ player, a hindrance to the back end, cap hit cost the organization whether he stays or demoted to Albany. As you can see it kept the organization from retaining player(s) or seeking needed talent with missed opportunities, like this summer's Radim Vrbata. There's more, but no sense going any further... nothing will change, it's too late. The fans are demoralized and I bet some of the players are too. Salvador should have never received his contract in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hystyk28 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) That's an interesting theory. I have no clue if it's accurate or not, but it makes for good reading, LOL! Not exactly a new thought around here. I was at that game when he was "hurt." The game was not televised which only adds fuel to the thought him taking one for the team. I also think he was also re-signed to help retain Zach, as stated above. Sal will be one of the Alumni running around here after his career. He does have a very calm and professional demeanor, I just can't wait to see that being displayed with shoes on instead of skates. I have watched nearly every Oilers game this season, and man, they should do a currency adjustment for Fayne playing in EDM. Looks like shinny most nights. Edited October 23, 2014 by hystyk28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) Again, simply looking at numbers and assuming stuff is idiotic. I watched a few of their games and he was on the top pairing, doubled checked before posting this on the oilers website and he's listed as first pairing and just asked 2 of my friends rooting for the oilers and he was top pairing and i read articles before the season saying he should technically be on the first pairing. God knows what can happen in a game that can change a player's ice time, PPs, long PK that he'd be on the 2nd wave but they can't change cause there's constant pressure, have to go to the locker room to get a skate sharpened etc etc All indication that i saw from my own eyes and read says he was first pairing in most of their games. Simply looking at TOI doesnt tell the whole story, you guys should know that. Edited October 23, 2014 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) On what NHL team do 'first-pairing' defensemen get under twenty minutes a game? He played under sixteen minutes in three of the Oilers' seven games. He may have become or is becoming a first-pairing guy there but he was not that when he ranked fifth and sixth among their own defensemen on TOI and Nikitin/Schultz were getting nearly 25 minutes a night. Even against Tampa in their next to last game Fayne was sixth in TOI among their six d-men. Edited October 23, 2014 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) On what NHL team do 'first-pairing' defensemen get under twenty minutes a game? He played under sixteen minutes in three of the Oilers' seven games. He may have become or is becoming a first-pairing guy there but he was not that when he ranked fifth and sixth among their own defensemen on TOI and Nikitin/Schultz were getting nearly 25 minutes a night. Even against Tampa in their next to last game Fayne was sixth in TOI among their six d-men. Not sure what to tell you but if you'd watch the game im sure you'd have answers buddy, i saw him playing against top competitions the game i watched. He's not playing the PP and other guys are playing both. So again, thats obviously changing a lot of ice time especially if you get more PPs in a game. Some guys are getting ES time, PP time and PK time... chances are you end up with more TOI than someone just playing ES and PK. Again its not perfect Math, situation happens during games Edited October 23, 2014 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sal makes dynamite homemade chicken soup. That's the intangible that PDB mentioned. He also tries real hard and is a leader in the locker room. Great! So the guy gives an awesome pre-game speech and then goes out there and sh!ts the bed every game. Really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMazz Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 We will see if management truly believes if Bryce is the player they CLAIM him to be if they resign him next year. If they DO then this whole board is gonna riot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 We will see if management truly believes if Bryce is the player they CLAIM him to be if they resign him next year. If they DO then this whole board is gonna riot. Please god no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I really wouldn't put it past them to sign Sal for another year Unless Santini or Hegelson is the latest kid to beat out Larsson for a lineup spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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