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#21 nmigliore

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 10:01 AM

I understand the idea of running the ball to kill clock, burn timeouts, and not have Romo throw a costly INT... but I tend agree with Has in that, with Brady, there really isn't much of difference between getting the ball with 2+ minutes left and 2 timeouts versus 2+ minutes and 1 timeout. And I don't care if he needs to drive 30, 50, 70, 80, or 100 yards for a score - he can do it all. The Cowboys went very conservative; when you're playing Tom Brady on the road, you have to take some risks to win these games. Maybe it's just the pessimist in me as a Jets' fan wanting the Cowboys to win, but when the Pats got the ball back, even though they were at their own 20 with only 1 timeout plus the 2 minute warning left, I remember thinking to myself "watch Brady at least get them in field position to tie it with a FG; it's just what he does".
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 10:10 AM

I've watched Brady for ten years make those drives automatically, against a lot better defenses than the Cowboys. Romo threw for 300 plus so it's not like they stayed away from throwing on any other drive.


For me, it was about where that defense was at that time...they had played a terrific game to that point (no points for the Pats in the second half until that final possession)...why not give them the chance to win the game, instead of giving Romo the chance to screw it up? It's like Crash said, he IS prone to mistakes at the end of games, and though he didn't throw any picks after his early one, he made a few throws near the end of the game that were shaky, decision-wise. And though Dallas' D couldn't stop Brady at the end, it's obvious that Rob Ryan is pretty good at game-planning for Brady...in NE's two games against Ryan's defenses, NE has put up just 34 points in the two games combined. Brady's overall numbers in those games don't look that bad (19/36 for 224 yards and 2 TDs last season, 27/41 for 289 yards, 2 TDs and 2 INTs against Dallas), but having watched both games, I can tell you that Brady had a tough time in both of them.

You can make the argument "Give a Hall-of-Famer enough chances to beat you and he eventually will.", especially when factoring in the regular season magic Brady has going at home, but I could SO see the scenario Crasher's talking about happening...Romo trying desperately to make something happen on 2nd or 3rd down and killing his team in the process. Had that happened, everyone would be saying "Why the hell is Romo throwing the ball when Dallas' defense was playing so well?" Of course, you can argue back that the Pats likely would've scored quicker and Dallas could've had more time for a potential comeback, but Romo's confidence likely would've been a mess after yet another late-game meltdown. I think Dallas played it right, sometimes things just don't work out.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:33 AM

If Lions went undefeated like packers are still, there match-up on Thanksgiving would probally be the biggest game in a long time. If they both stay undefeated. Only one left but Packers always win
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:39 AM

Let me add one more thing to this too....the Cowboys NEVER stop someone from driving the field on the last drive with the game on the line (well maybe they stopped Grossman I don't know never got to see that game)....it was kinda lose/lose, throw the ball and the INT is coming....punt the ball and pray it drops inside the 5 and take your chances...either way the odds were against the Cowboys with the history of this team with the guys they have in the key positions....

If Lions went undefeated like packers are still, there match-up on Thanksgiving would probally be the biggest game in a long time. If they both stay undefeated. Only one left but Packers always win


Why is EVERYONE overlooking Green Bay's game in San Diego?
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:41 AM

Let me add one more thing to this too....the Cowboys NEVER stop someone from driving the field on the last drive with the game on the line (well maybe they stopped Grossman I don't know never got to see that game)....it was kinda lose/lose, throw the ball and the INT is coming....punt the ball and pray it drops inside the 5 and take your chances...either way the odds were against the Cowboys with the history of this team with the guys they have in the key positions....



Why is EVERYONE overlooking Green Bay's game in San Diego?

Cause it turned out as a win. Eagles suck and they played bad their game to and they won.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:41 AM

If Lions went undefeated like packers are still, there match-up on Thanksgiving would probally be the biggest game in a long time. If they both stay undefeated. Only one left but Packers always win


You must have missed yesterday, Detroit lost, and their coach went apes*it lol.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:42 AM

You must have missed yesterday, Detroit lost, and their coach went apes*it lol.

Said" One left "
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:05 PM

Cause it turned out as a win.

What? They didn't play the game yet; Chargers/Packers is in Week 9. :lol: I think Crasher meant that people are overlooking the possibility of the Chargers beating the Packers before the Lions/Packers matchup.

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That altercation between Schwartz and Harbaugh was funny. Both were guilty of being jerky. I thought Harbaugh was a bit disrespectful but Schwartz was probably looking to pick a fight after forgetting what losing felt (that was the Lions' first loss -- preseason included -- since the beginning of last December!).


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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:36 PM

http://espn.go.com/n...ams-sources-say

Brandon Lloyd goes to the Rams.

Supposedly the Pats were interested (I'm guessing they would've cut Ocho, who apparently can't catch onto the Pats' playbook, much less actual footballs)...would've been nice for depth pruposes, but Ocho's problems aside, the passing game hasn't been much of an issue for the Patriots.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 17 October 2011 - 12:36 PM.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:49 PM

Can anyone with deeper knowledge of NFL free agency explain to me how Lloyd could potentially bring back a compensatory draft pick to the Rams? Peter King mentioned it in his MMQB piece:

I think the reason Denver wideout Brandon Lloyd should go somewhere -- my choice would be the Rams, for a fourth-round pick -- is pretty simple. The acquiring team would owe him only $1 million for the rest of the year, and it would get a supremely motivated player because he's got to play for a new contract. And even if the acquiring team doesn't sign him, it would probably get a compensatory draft choice in return in 2013. So trade a four in 2012, get Lloyd to use for 10 games, and get a fifth-rounder, in all likelihood, in 2013 if you don't sign him.

I did some brief reading up on NFL free agency and I thought draft pick compensation only applied to free agents with less than 4 years of service time (restricted free agents), which Lloyd doesn't appear to be....

If the Rams could work out an extension, I think the deal could look pretty good for them given the low cost.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:55 PM

That altercation between Schwartz and Harbaugh was funny. Both were guilty of being jerky. I thought Harbaugh was a bit disrespectful but Schwartz was probably looking to pick a fight after forgetting what losing felt (that was the Lions' first loss -- preseason included -- since the beginning of last December!).

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8zp1Q0MZE9Y

Last night, I couldn't get enough of watching those highlights, LOL. Schwartz said someone dropped the F-bomb. Harbaugh said he shook his hand too hard. It looked to me like the slap in the back knocked Schwartz off balance and that was what set him off in a rage.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 02:23 PM

Cause it turned out as a win. Eagles suck and they played bad their game to and they won.


Green Bay is IN San Diego, 11/6...you've simmed too far ahead in your little Madden season :P
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:03 PM

Thanks Matt Moore!

Jets look awful so far though.

Edited by nmigliore, 17 October 2011 - 08:03 PM.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:31 PM

Thanks Matt Moore!

Jets look awful so far though.


Thank the refs. Definitely not Moore's fault there. Marshall got caught trying to sell it too...to no avail.

I don't know if Marty's son needs to be fired, but the offense looks lifeless. Sanchez has a solid game...1 every 4 games it seems. Jets are very lucky they are winning. Blown coverages everywhere.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:34 PM

Anyone still wanna accuse me of being too cynical and jaded about this team??? :P


At least your offense can gain a ****ing first down :rant:

It's a joke the Jets still have the lead. God, twice in three weeks the Jets are embarassing themselves on national TV. The only thing saving them from nuclear disaster is a lucky non-call and a Marshall drop :lol:

I don't know if Marty's son needs to be fired, but the offense looks lifeless. Sanchez has a solid game...1 every 4 games it seems. Jets are very lucky they are winning. Blown coverages everywhere.



Brunell's either going to be the QB or the OC by halftime. But they need to change one of those spots right the **** now.

And Rex's defense ain't doing all that great either.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:41 PM

The Jets really couldn't look much worse so far. If not for the missed pass interference and the Marshall drop, they would be down at least 2 scores.

Hey... a first down!!!!! Yeah baby!! Progress. :P

Edited by nmigliore, 17 October 2011 - 08:44 PM.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:44 PM

A first down!!!!! Yeah baby!! Progress. :P

The Jets really couldn't look much worse so far. If not for the missed call/bad Moore throw and the Marshall drop, they would be down at least 2 scores.


Don't forget Marshall running out of bounds with just open field in front of him.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:49 PM

My fave play in football. Around the goal line, spread the field and motion your RB out of the backfield. Usually open daylight for the QB.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:50 PM

Don't forget Marshall running out of bounds with just open field in front of him.


The guy can be just baffling at times. You watch him and you could clearly see he just oozes with talent; he's done well versus Revis so far and he completely owned Cromartie on the one play you're talking about. He puts up great numbers (80+ catches, 1000+ yards) yearly. But the drops, the disappearances in the redzone (4 TD in 2 years with the Dolphins is not acceptable for a WR of his caliber, bad QB's or not), the jerky off-the-field attitude... has to be frustrating to Fins fans.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 08:54 PM

lol did someone take the headset from Schotty before that last drive? If not, he just bought himself a four-year extension :rolleyes:
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