run_to_the_ditch Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) Serious question here...not trying to be all doom and gloom the day after another first round exit but... If the Devils cant sign Martin because he is most likely going to want ALOT and I hope they dont fall into that Rolston trance again. Martin is good but I dont think he's 5-6 million good. So now the D really needs work and technically that would mean REBUILDING. If you're Lou do you go to Marty and say look, I dont think I can get this thing turned around within the next 2 seasons where the Devils will be like the force they were from 95 - 03. Where do you want to go? Do you make that move? Do you think Marty would take up an offer like that? Do you do that with other big names on the team? I personally feel this team is due for a youth movement...thats how they got to the promise land before and I feel that whats needed now. Edited April 23, 2010 by run_to_the_ditch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Martin is far too valuable to lose. He is priority #1 for Lou. Priority #2 is getting a new coach and staff to clean up this mess. Marty's contract is set and a great deal for the Devils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Martin is far too valuable to lose. He is priority #1 for Lou. What exactly has Martin given us over the past 3 years? He's supposed to be our best blue-liner, and look where that's gotten us. He's not the type of player you over-pay, which to me means that he's not worth more than what he's getting now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 What exactly has Martin given us over the past 3 years? He's supposed to be our best blue-liner, and look where that's gotten us. This is a legit question. I would also ask why he hasn't progressed offensively. He should be better, especially for $5-6 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Wensink Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 If any deal could jump start a new era I think you have to think about it. If a deal is unbeatable, anyone can be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubanjd305 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Brodeur for Drew Doughty and J. Quick All talk about Martin and Kovalchuk is speculation as we don't actually know how much they want. With that said, how much would you be willing to pay for Martin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Brodeur for Drew Doughty and J. Quick All talk about Martin and Kovalchuk is speculation as we don't actually know how much they want. With that said, how much would you be willing to pay for Martin? Come on, cubanjd ... it's not what they will want, it's what they can get. I don't think it's crazy to think that Martin will get over $5 million and that Kovalchuk will get pretty close to $8 million. That's a safe bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 What exactly has Martin given us over the past 3 years? He's supposed to be our best blue-liner, and look where that's gotten us. He's not the type of player you over-pay, which to me means that he's not worth more than what he's getting now. Hockey News called him "the best defensmen in the NHL that no one hears" because he plays the NJ system. He plays that way he is instructed to play, he is +20 the past few years and adds about 30 assists a year, with playing the PP as much as others. He is smart, solid in our end, great transition player, can skate the puck out of the zone and contributes offensively when it's called for. I know the ice is always cleaner on the other side of the pond, but what is out there to replace him??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubanjd305 Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Come on, cubanjd ... it's not what they will want, it's what they can get. I don't think it's crazy to think that Martin will get over $5 million and that Kovalchuk will get pretty close to $8 million. That's a safe bet. True, true. There ARE teams that will pay him (Martin) $5M. At that price, I'd let him walk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
run_to_the_ditch Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 Thats what makes me nervous about Martin. I dont think he's worth much more than he is getting now. The only reason he is worth more to the Devils is because the D is so light on shut down talent if you want to even put it as "light". This truly is a team at a crossroads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hockey News called him "the best defensmen in the NHL that no one hears" because he plays the NJ system. He plays that way he is instructed to play, he is +20 the past few years and adds about 30 assists a year, with playing the PP as much as others. He is smart, solid in our end, great transition player, can skate the puck out of the zone and contributes offensively when it's called for. I know the ice is always cleaner on the other side of the pond, but what is out there to replace him??? Being a +20 on a good team that hasn't had a GA more than GF in however many years doesn't impress me all that much. Bryce Salvador was a +16. Plus/minus really means something to me when you get into the Scott Stevens range of +40. Nieds was a minus whatever this year. You can't tell me that on a year to year basis (i.e. not taking age/years left into account) Martin is the better defenseman. Smart, solid, good transition player, maybe, but he's not worth $5 million a year, especially when our cap situation isn't ideal. Bottom line he's a soft defenseman on a team of soft defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
run_to_the_ditch Posted April 23, 2010 Author Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hockey News called him "the best defensmen in the NHL that no one hears" because he plays the NJ system. He plays that way he is instructed to play, he is +20 the past few years and adds about 30 assists a year, with playing the PP as much as others. He is smart, solid in our end, great transition player, can skate the puck out of the zone and contributes offensively when it's called for. I know the ice is always cleaner on the other side of the pond, but what is out there to replace him??? 2 words why I wouldnt over pay him to stay...Roger Dorn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 If some other team puts a 5-7 Million dollar offer to Martin well then it's been nice knowing ya Paulie. They guy showed me nothing.I understand he lost a lot time with the broken forearm and all but he is not worth that kind of money! If he wanted to reward the Devils for there loyalty he would take a 2-3 year deal for less money and prove he's a top pairing defense man. As far as Marty goes, it seems some Devils fans are quick to throw him under the bus. This guy is still more than capable of taking this team to the promised land. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Being a +20 on a good team that hasn't had a GA more than GF in however many years doesn't impress me all that much. Bryce Salvador was a +16. Plus/minus really means something to me when you get into the Scott Stevens range of +40. Nieds was a minus whatever this year. You can't tell me that on a year to year basis (i.e. not taking age/years left into account) Martin is the better defenseman. Smart, solid, good transition player, maybe, but he's not worth $5 million a year, especially when our cap situation isn't ideal. Bottom line he's a soft defenseman on a team of soft defenseman. No, not saying he is better that Stevens, Rafi or Neids, these guys are a level above everyone. The market for a talent like Martin would be great, since there aren't that many his age and his caliber. Who do you replace him with if he walks???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Who do you replace him with if he walks???? Cory Murphy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Who do you replace him with if he walks???? Honestly, I don't know. Maybe Corrente can step up. The point is, even if a guy fills a role, he doesn't deserve to get paid like a top-flight defenseman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 (edited) Honestly, I don't know. Maybe Corrente can step up. The point is, even if a guy fills a role, he doesn't deserve to get paid like a top-flight defenseman. Corrente???? Far too limited. I don't think he will, and I don't think he believes he will. Too me he is worth $5 million per season, but it's Lou's call. Edited April 23, 2010 by MantaRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 i would package langy and martin in a deal with a team for martin's talking rights and langs to go for a top defender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueSkirt Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 True, true. There ARE teams that will pay him (Martin) $5M. At that price, I'd let him walk Rafalski Part Deux. I think if the offer is over 5, then the Devs won't match. But I'm sure some team who gets close this year may offer him > 5 i would package langy and martin in a deal with a team for martin's talking rights and langs to go for a top defender. interesting... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Diablo Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 raffi wasnt worth the scratch .. I would have loved him these past years ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteyvegas Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 We only have one other guy who can get us out of our zone. I dont care if he doesn't score. Just get me out of the f'n zone, ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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